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BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
August 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#1
That will be different from what HoN gave them. I know a lot of people still play DotA because they dislike HoN/LoL, but (as far as I know), HoN was basically DotA with better graphics and reconnect/matchmaking/spectator mode. So what do people expect from DotA2 that HoN does not offer them, or is there something vastly different between HoN/DotA that I don't know off?
ToXi-
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland19 Posts
August 18 2011 13:24 GMT
#2
lol HoN is not like dota too many changes!
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 13:31:26
August 18 2011 13:28 GMT
#3
HoN is very diferent from Dota. Have someone that knows nothing about FPS games play both CS 1.6 and Source and he will tell you it's the same game. Ask any good player about it and he will tell you the diferences are huge.

The overall feel of the games, animations and specially balancing is actually very diferent. HoN heros, in my opinion, seem much stronger than Dota heroes, or at least much more well rounded, with less flaws.

I don't think think we could ever see a hero with a nuke + silence, a slow + nuke that hits two players even in fog of war, a skill that gives map control plus a hold and a ulti that does damage with no mana cost and heals you, in a hero with 3.0 agi gain and above average range. Most ports from dota also seem to be buffed in some way.

There are also new items, like spellshards, that make a big diference in the way the game is played.
koprulureport
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria43 Posts
August 18 2011 13:31 GMT
#4
apart from items/heroes being different there are also some mechanic differences

- no runes at 00:00 in hon
- buyback limit per player in hon
- not sure, but i think the orb mechanics are a bit different

im sure there are more, but i dont know every one.
Taco_Bueno
Profile Joined August 2010
United States43 Posts
August 18 2011 13:31 GMT
#5
Back at release HoN was an exact copy of dota, just without all heroes ported. Its only within the last 6~ months they've been changing a lot of balance things from dota. Most of the changes are to make the game faster pace compared to the 60 min rice fests we've seen so far from dota 2.
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 18 2011 13:32 GMT
#6
I expect DotA2 to kill HoN and force LoL to the 2nd place.
I also expect it to be expensive >.>
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
August 18 2011 13:33 GMT
#7
DotA2 is different from HoN in that

- HoN has toooo many stupid changes ie. giving blink/leap-esque ability to every hero, or creating stupid concepts
- Porting heroes totally differently from DotA(wtf, "The Admiral" became a Gladiator? REALLY?)
- Too flashy graphics(although I could say it can be changed in your Options)

Also, personal dislikes about HoN:
- Small letters and icons - what is the point of an icon if you need bottle-glasses to see it? How the hell am I supposed to read all the words when I'm at a "safe distance" from the screen?
- herpderp microtransactions, but I guess it is a consequence of the f2p model. Still, having only 15+x heroes available at a time sucks.
- "Double Tap"? "Hat Trick"? QUAD KILL? Annihilation kinda saves itself but it is still bad. Bloodlust makes no sense. etc
- Annoying alternate announcers, and lack of UT announcer by itself(which is so awesome).


And that is why, IMO, DotA2>HoN. And I didn't even took matchmaking or other stuff into consideration(also, Steam rulez), because I haven't had the chance to try it out.
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
August 18 2011 13:34 GMT
#8
On August 18 2011 22:32 Muki wrote:
I expect DotA2 to kill HoN and force LoL to the 2nd place.
I also expect it to be expensive >.>


keep those comments to yourself
why would you ever wish a company to go under and all those people to lose their jobs.
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Canola
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada159 Posts
August 18 2011 13:39 GMT
#9
To be the same thing as DotA 1 with a good interface and matchmaking system. That is it.
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
August 18 2011 13:47 GMT
#10
On August 18 2011 22:34 MavercK wrote:
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On August 18 2011 22:32 Muki wrote:
I expect DotA2 to kill HoN and force LoL to the 2nd place.
I also expect it to be expensive >.>


keep those comments to yourself
why would you ever wish a company to go under and all those people to lose their jobs.


I don't want them to go under, I want Dota 2 to be more successful which would mean the competition suffers anyway.
Also they are just living off other people's work anyway but that's a long debate.
BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 23:39:55
August 18 2011 14:15 GMT
#11
I don't want them to go under, I want Dota 2 to be more successful which would mean the competition suffers anyway.
Also they are just living off other people's work anyway but that's a long debate.

How are they living off of other peoples work?
kiddie
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada70 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 14:23:39
August 18 2011 14:22 GMT
#12
On August 18 2011 23:15 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
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I don't want them to go under, I want Dota 2 to be more successful which would mean the competition suffers anyway.
Also they are just living off other people's work anyway but that's a long debate.

How are they living off of other peoples work? Icefrog didn't make DotA, Guinsoo/Pendragon (the creators of LoL) made DotA Allstars. If anything, Valve/Icefrog are living off of their work.

The game was in a pretty terrible state when Euls, Guinsoo were developing the map. It was terribly imbalanced. It was also nowhere near as popular as it is now until Icefrog started working on the map. Icefrog deserves all the credit for turning DotA into the game it is today.

On topic: I expect Dota2 to be exactly like DotA plus all the neat features and dedicated servers, etc.
LynxLynx
Profile Joined March 2011
Czech Republic38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 14:27:44
August 18 2011 14:27 GMT
#13
On August 18 2011 23:15 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Icefrog didn't make DotA, Guinsoo/Pendragon (the creators of LoL) made DotA Allstars. If anything, Valve/Icefrog are living off of their work.

No, they didnt.


what
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 18 2011 14:28 GMT
#14
On August 18 2011 23:15 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
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I don't want them to go under, I want Dota 2 to be more successful which would mean the competition suffers anyway.
Also they are just living off other people's work anyway but that's a long debate.

How are they living off of other peoples work? Icefrog didn't make DotA. Blizzard first created the DotA genre in Starcraft (in the Aeon of Strife map), Eul created the first DotA and Guinsoo/Pendragon (the creators of LoL) made DotA Allstars. If anything, Valve/Icefrog are living off of their work.

http://i.imgur.com/hczA2.jpg
this should answer all of your questions.

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BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 14:33:10
August 18 2011 14:30 GMT
#15
The game was in a pretty terrible state when Euls, Guinsoo were developing the map. It was terribly imbalanced. It was also nowhere near as popular as it is now until Icefrog started working on the map. Icefrog deserves all the credit for turning DotA into the game it is today.

Still, how are they living off of Icefrog's work? What Icefrog did made DotA more popular, not LoL. It doesn't even come close to catering to the same group of people, and the amount of people going from DotA to LoL isn't really big. It's still stupid to say they "live off of his work". League of Legends earned its spot by itself. Period.

Now HoN is a different story, and you *could* argue there considering it directly takes a lot of concepts and heroes from DotA. But saying LoL lives off of Icefrog's work is, at best, ridiculous.
iYiYi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
August 18 2011 14:33 GMT
#16
I expect DotA 2 to be exactly like DotA 1 as far as game play and mechanics. If they do decide to make changes I want them to be as calculated and heavily tested as they were in DotA 1. Games like HoN blindly throw a patch out every 2 weeks releasing items and heroes that aren't fun (not tested well). Which really ruins the game. Ice Frog takes his time though so I have high hopes, so far it looks great. Old DotA 1 with a new engine.
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
August 18 2011 14:34 GMT
#17
What did we expect from StarCraft 2?
That's a very similar question to what you asked imo.

But DotA is quite new comparing to SC/BW. And that's why there is not much changes in the game mechanics. It's like the DotA with better graphics. And It has huge support from Valve.
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TheOuroboros
Profile Joined December 2010
France68 Posts
August 18 2011 14:34 GMT
#18
The game look great so far, but i would love to see the taunt (like in HoN). so much fun ! :D
But i don't think they will do it...
kiddie
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada70 Posts
August 18 2011 14:35 GMT
#19
On August 18 2011 23:30 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Show nested quote +
The game was in a pretty terrible state when Euls, Guinsoo were developing the map. It was terribly imbalanced. It was also nowhere near as popular as it is now until Icefrog started working on the map. Icefrog deserves all the credit for turning DotA into the game it is today.

Still, how are they living off of Icefrog's work? What Icefrog did made DotA more popular, not LoL. It doesn't even come close to catering to the same group of people, and the amount of people going from DotA to LoL isn't really big. It's still stupid to say they "live off of his work". League of Legends earned its spot by itself. Period.

Now HoN is a different story, and you *could* argue there considering it does take a lot of concepts from DotA.

I said nothing about them living off of Icefrog's work.

On August 18 2011 23:15 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't want them to go under, I want Dota 2 to be more successful which would mean the competition suffers anyway.
Also they are just living off other people's work anyway but that's a long debate.

How are they living off of other peoples work? Icefrog didn't make DotA. Blizzard first created the DotA genre in Starcraft (in the Aeon of Strife map), Eul created the first DotA and Guinsoo/Pendragon (the creators of LoL) made DotA Allstars. If anything, Valve/Icefrog are living off of their work.

You said Valve/Icefrog are living off their work. I'm saying Euls, Guinsoo have done little to nothing for DotA in comparison to Icefrog.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11822 Posts
August 18 2011 14:45 GMT
#20
I expect DotA with better graphics, MM (from single player up to CW), observer features, centralised updates that is automatic compared to having to get the map each time. Better replay features compared to WC3.

Continued updates with heroes added now and then, focus being on balance and bug fixes.

Basically I expect DotA 7.0 from Dota 2.
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