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Server: NA
Your Name: Notails
Hacker Name: Fedaykin
Replay:
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Description: PvP on Taldarim Altar.
He goes 10 forge and directly into my base. Even thou we were cross position. After a lot of trash talk from his part and a bad defense by me I manage to hold his cannon rush.
Few moments later, @8:50 I place a pylon outside his base, on a place where he clearly can't see form his main and he insta pull his probes and kills my pylon.
@16:50 he does a sudden look at my base for no apparently reason.
@18:15 he starts to move his army in the way to the bottom xel naga tower, when at the exact time I start to move out of my base. Then he does another sudden move, getting all his army back to his base for, again, no reason.
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On August 18 2011 11:56 Acechi wrote:
Side Questions:
1.) Does the TL Antihack community directly contact/report to Blizzard for these hackers? Or is it just a community neighborhood watch thing?
2.) Do you guys know how long it takes for Blizzard to process/review the hackers? I have sent a bunch of replays of hackers and yet the hackers are still playing.
1) I contact Blizzard with replay packs. Once Probe1 and I are satisfied with a season as being "complete", I compile all of the replays into one big replay package. Then I hand it over to an email I've got for Blizzard. That's all I can say we do, because that's all I know. I've talked to someone in Blizzard a few times, but what they can do or choose to do with our replays that we confirm is unknown to me.
2) No idea.
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Fedaykin needs to die in a fire.
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Can't we do anything about Fedaykin? Like talk to a GM and send all the replays from him we can get? Maybe send a ticket to blizzard asking to talk directly to someone that can ban players from starcraft 2? I believe TL have enough 'power' to make that happen.
I am sorry if TL already do something like that. I just can't believe that this guy can just map hack for two seasons in a row and still play with the same account.
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Most of the time they are banned either by the time the replay pack is submitted or afterwards. In the meantime you can do is report them in game. Sorry for the empty answer.
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Server: SEA
Your Name: Azera
Hacker Name: xxXxx
Replay: Replay 1 Replay 2
Description:
Replay 1- He basically did not scout me at all and yet knew that I was cheesing him. The first few moments of the game it might not be obvious, but when he gets his mutas out, he seems to fly the away even before he sees my infestors. Also note how all his units are sent straight to my base even without him knowing.
Replay 2- I played him again and this time he deflects my cheese again. I'm not sure it's because I cheesed him the previous game though. His warp prism play is really suspicious though. He did not scout me (again) and still sent it straight to my base. Also, when he attacked with his voids, he did not see the Spore Crawlers and AA I had on the high ground in my base, but he still backed away.
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On August 20 2011 15:01 Azera wrote:Server: SEA Your Name: Azera Hacker Name: xxXxx Replay: Replay 1 Replay 2Description: Replay 1- He basically did not scout me at all and yet knew that I was cheesing him. The first few moments of the game it might not be obvious, but when he gets his mutas out, he seems to fly the away even before he sees my infestors. Also note how all his units are sent straight to my base even without him knowing. Replay 2- I played him again and this time he deflects my cheese again. I'm not sure it's because I cheesed him the previous game though. His warp prism play is really suspicious though. He did not scout me (again) and still sent it straight to my base. Also, when he attacked with his voids, he did not see the Spore Crawlers and AA I had on the high ground in my base, but he still backed away.
replay 1:
He knew where your base was because the drone ran away towards your base when the lings were chasing it.
At about 5.20 he gets a 2nd spine despite you having 6 lings, and him already having a spine. this also implies his 10pool/early first spine was safe play, not hacking. also in the first 5-6minutes he never looked at your base, while he may have seen on the mini map that you were building an early pool, it is by no means conlcusive.
at 21minutes where he pulls back, i think it was more the fact there were 2 spores and a queen, and he probably assumed you were coming.
If you look at his perspective in game 1, he NEVER looks at your base through the fog, NEVER. i believe he is simply a cautious player. i am convinced he was not hacking game 1.
game 2 he goes 12forge against your 6 pool without scouting, i honestly just think hes a cautious player. you get this a lot in lower skill levels. i have friends in bronze who will go hatch first, and their opponent will make 6 cannons at the ramp (not expanding just 1 base cannoning in) before doing anything else. seen it 2 or 3 times out of 10 games.
he did not send the warp prism to your base. he sent it top right then to your base.
sure he may have been avoiding being seen, but he also NEVER looked at your base through the fog, and you honestly cant say he was avoiding being seen not scouting the top right with any sense of certainty
he pulled back with voids after killing the nat which was an okay dicision, he knew there were lings out, and saw 2 spores retreating to the main. thinking that there are spores and a queen or two on high ground is a fair assumption. while a good player should have at least poked up to see whats going on, it is far from conclusive evidence. also, he didnt look up the hill through the fog. he wouldnt know via the mini map whether they are spines or spores.
In neither game did he look at your base through the fog at any point. not even once.
I simply think he is a bad player who is super cautious.
Verdict: Not a hacker, at best there inconclusive evidence. But by no stretch of the imagination enough to name him a hacker or even supsected hacker.
EDIT: btw im not one of the guys who organises this, im just giving my opinion on whether or not he hacks
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On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind.
Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp.
I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream).
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On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind. Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp. I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream).
Or they have a hack with camera lock. Need more reps of those guys to call it, unless they do a sorcery and admit to hacking.
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On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 12:58 ProTech wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ProTech Hacker Name: CheeseTown / GTLBaby Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/GKK5FOkay first of all, I stream quite a bit so this happens frequently, however when I approached CheeseTown I told him if he was stream cheating then I will ignore it but he completely ignored me. The reason I am posting this is because there is a Grandmaster on their team and if he IS in fact cheating then he needs to be exposed. Anyway, you'll notice how they open dual forge at our ramps but completely disregard it and make cannons at their base without scouting my 6 pool. The reason I went 6 pool is because I've lost to these guys 100x with their proxies etc. EVEN IF my overlord scouted it that does not justify not making cannons, because if i opened ANYTHING BUT 6 POOL we would have EASILY been contained. But they didnt scout the pool and still backed off and completely countered what we were doing. It was completely blind. Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp. I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream).
Protech is usually pretty diligent studying the reps, could be camera lock if they don't look through the fog - on Protech's stream yesterday Kice looked pretty much like he was doing that but he hasn't been reported on here yet so I won't comment. If there are more reps of those guys that other people have that would be ideal for diagnosing hacking
Also 2v2 cheese is different, something thats "cheese in 1v1" eg. 6pool is just a safe build in 2v2 if they cheese, no need to derail the discussion, this thread if about hacking 
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Server: NA
Your Name: Dragon
Hacker Name: RatZDeezer
Replay: http://drop.sc/28845
Description: Maphacking
Hello, I'm posting this on behalf of SlayersDragon who is a featured streamer on TL.
Only reason I'm posting this for him is because his English is not so good and he could not figure out how to use the various replay upload websites such as www.sc2replayed.com and www.drop.sc. If there's a problem with this I'm sure Probe or Torenhire can let me know.
It is rumored that Deezer likes to stream cheat but as Dragon has told everyone in Channel Dragon, he has put a 20 second delay on his stream just to prevent things like this from happening.
@ 10:37: After being contained in his base by sentries, Dragon pushes out with a factory to scout Deezer. However, Deezer immediatly selects all his units and clicks it in the direction of the factory. These two screenshots will show how this is occuring.
Full Vision at the Timeframe: http://www.boyevul.com/?v=q2Pjn.jpg
Deezer's Vision at the Timeframe with the mouseclick shown:
http://www.boyevul.com/?v=w6AM9.jpg
I understand Factories are slow while moving in the air but if there is a stream delay then Deezer shouldn't have reacted so quickly to the factory moving.
Later when confronted by this in the next game. Deezer's response was Standard Drop Timing bro, too ez.
Out of five games in a row that Deezer has sniped Dragon, he has scouted his base first out of 4 possible locations. The odds of that happening are 1/4 * 1/4 * 1/4 well you get the point
Therefore Dragon thinks this is maphacking instead of normal stream cheating, however I'll leave that up to the antihack team.
Anyways, thank you for checking this out.
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Right after that, Deezer also FF'd the ramp the instant stimmed marines tried to come down without seeing them I believe. he's also never built an observer, though that is more likely because he stream cheats.
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*LoL*
Maybe i was checking for a drop im not a fking bronze league scrub like you son. I know my timing gtfo k
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 21 2011 20:45 CruisEric wrote:
Right after that, Deezer also FF'd the ramp the instant stimmed marines tried to come down without seeing them I believe. he's also never built an observer, though that is more likely because he stream cheats.
There was also a drop made by dragon that Deezer "saw".
This was in the late 10minutes of the game I believe.
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I've watched the replay and I'll post my thoughts a bit later after I've had time to consider the circumstances surrounding the simultaneous accusations of stream cheating.
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Good evidence for hacks (post replays that show things on this list):
Repeated camera focus on the enemy (your) base when it is under fog, without giving unit orders (attack/move)
Repeated camera focus on your army outside your base, but under fog, especially without giving unit orders. This doesn't mean your opponent sending a marine to a XN watchtower when you have a probe there is hacks though.
Camera focus on dropships/ovies/warp prisms or any unit in an unusual location on the map for no when it is under fog and there is no reason to look there.
Reactions to the army when it is under fog (this one is tricky though, as there is often a decent excuse for the hacker's army movement, for example, moving to take a XN tower, moving to secure a third, moving to threaten an expo, positioning the army better, etc. For this to be solid evidence, there should be no obvious goal for the army movement other than a reaction to what is seen via maphack.)
You can can read ur own rule
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On August 21 2011 21:02 Deezer wrote:
*LoL*
Maybe i was checking for a drop im not a fking bronze league scrub like you son. I know my timing gtfo k
why are you 50% of the people he plays if you dont stream cheat
and you stream cheat, not maphack, we know that - -
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It would be stream cheating except for the fact that Dragon put a delay on his stream because of it.
The instant reaction to the factory moving out in the replay above will pretty much prove otherwise.
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On August 21 2011 21:33 Itallion wrote:
It would be stream cheating except for the fact that Dragon put a delay on his stream because of it.
The instant reaction to the factory moving out in the replay above will pretty much prove otherwise.
factories are slow and dragons delay isnt that long
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Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
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