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On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote:
Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
Why would you deny enemy scouting?
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On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote:
Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it.
So his units are just chilling there not moving, and all of a sudden a factory moves out and he's all over it moving all his units around checking for drops...?
Not a single observer all game?
w.e
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On August 21 2011 21:42 Mootland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote:
Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it. Why would you deny enemy scouting?
Even if he would maphack he wouldnt give it away by attacking a scouting factory >_> It ain't that important is what im trying to say.
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On August 21 2011 21:56 lyrlian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 21:42 Mootland wrote:On August 21 2011 21:39 lyrlian wrote:
Is deezer stream cheating? Most likely. Is he map hacking? There's not enough proof to say he does. Finding that factory was luck (why would he go attack that factory anyway?) and I dont see any other things that could indicate maphacking. Some of you mention the FF on the ramp, when he went for the factory, this is pretty standard play, nothing weird about it. Why would you deny enemy scouting? Even if I would maphack he wouldnt give it away by attacking a scouting factory >_> It ain't that important is what im trying to say.
You're not Deezer are you bro?
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Server: NA
Your Name: Snowical
Hacker Name: RaTZDeezer
Replay:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7q95MZzw0
Description: Obvious drophack/Maphack Also stream cheating.
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Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this.
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On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote:
Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this.
enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye.
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If you want to point out the things I've missed after watching the replay four times then I welcome it. Otherwise I'm not changing my mind on the first replay submitted. I'll gladly take the second replay into account as soon as it is submitted. An actual replay mind you, not a youtube video.
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Server: NA
Your Name:Kevlar.594
Hacker Name: OzzyOzzyOzzy http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/244428/2/OzzYOzzYOzzY/
Replay: im afraid i havnt gotten the pleasure of playing him...
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/244428/2/OzzYOzzYOzzY/
im going to say needssuspicious, as i have no replay proof of him drop hacking, but i look at his season 3 1v1 match history, not a single one goes past 3 minutes. he has 2269 wins this season, and build orders for the enemies side are blank, with nothing built. so please check out his bnet profile, and please consider my post worthy even without a replay
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On August 23 2011 01:13 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote:
Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this. enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye.
just to chip in some knowledge, Deezer was a heavy heavy map hacker in WC3, under the name MANUBOT (very well known among war3 community). This doesn't say much, but it shows that he is quite willing and comfy with mh
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On August 23 2011 04:47 DuckS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 01:13 bucckevin wrote:On August 22 2011 23:22 Probe1 wrote:
Okay. That's not you first off all and second that isn't the format. Youtube videos are not accepted, even if they are damning.
lyrlian echos my official stance. There isn't enough proof that Deezer was using a map hack. We can all agree that watching someones stream while playing them is a dick move. But it's not against the terms of service and it isn't using an illegal program to gain an advantage. On a final note: If Deezer was a map hacker you'd think there would be more reports considering the amount of exposure he has. Deezer may be one of the villains in this telenovela but there is no evidence that he used a hack.
Let's all learn to delay our streams from this. enough evidence for me(us) even if you want to turn a blind eye. just to chip in some knowledge, Deezer was a heavy heavy map hacker in WC3, under the name MANUBOT (very well known among war3 community). This doesn't say much, but it shows that he is quite willing and comfy with mh
there's other well known people in the community that map hacked or whatever in previous times. We can keep that in mind going over things, but we can't jump to conclusions.
We're not turning a blind eye, in fact Probe1 and I have talked via PM about it. You're entitled to your own opinions, as we are entitled to ours, and ultimately, whether you agree with the list or not is on yourself. I'm sorry if that upsets anyone that we're not going to jump onto Deezer and say MAPHACKS!!!! I'm especially sorry if that upsets SlayerS_Dragon. What Probe1 and I need to decide if it's proof enough for maphacks, or if it's just a case of stream cheating or something along those lines.
Rest assured, we know something is 'wrong' but stream cheating and maphacking are two completely different realms of "rule breaking." One is morally bad, and the other is a punishable action.
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my friend just played against pingon . wow what a cheater. but he still lost lol. was funny
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Deezer vs Dragon replay notes:
6:40 when he warps in a lone stalker to kill the SCV for his mineral lines...It's fishy, his stalker catches a red blip for like...a TEEEEEEEEEEEEENY second. Feasible he saw the SCV. But he clicks his stalker RIGHT to it under FOW. He knew the SCV was coming, but not where it went. He found it IMMEDIATELY. Suspicious.
8:40, set to "faster" and watch from Deezer's POV. Open APM tab....up up up up....then all the way down to like...4. This is a possible camera lock if all he is doing is panning the camera. If he clicks on something, it'll create an "action" and ping his APM. It'll also show in the bottom box what he clicked on. He doesn't do ANYTHING. It just trickles to zero, his camera stands completely still. I guess he could be picking his nose but he's got a really weak contain put up, and I'd not be sitting still in his position. Still, can't say map hacks on this part.
The famous 10:37 part.
Dragon says that he has a 20 second delay on his stream. Give or take a second or two for latency or w/e.
He lifts his factory, and gives it a move command and it turns and starts to fly. It is starting to fly away from his base at 10:17.
20 second delay?
Puts us right at 10:37 - which is when Deezer moves out to snipe the factory. Judging from his camera and move command, I think he wasn't expecting it to be that far away from Dragon's base.
The scan on the ramp is enough to warrant force-fielding the ramp. IMO.
I think he's definitely stream cheating, but not map hacking. At least I don't have enough evidence to say that he's definitely a maphacker, but the video plus the suspicious business in the rep are enough to say that there's a potential for it to be happening, and he's hiding it well.
I didn't go back and check timestamps on the SCV, but it's possible Deezer saw where Dragon sent the SCV via stream cheats. It would be very difficult to prove map hacking in this instance because - keep in mind - that Deezer has Dragon's camera view in another monitor or something. He doesn't HAVE to Fog of War peek because he's got Dragon's FP view.
I think though, if he was maphacking, we would know by now, since he's such a big name.
I hope SlayerS_Dragon understands my reasoning here. ^_^;;
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Link to the actual article?
Edit: I can't find anything on PlayXP about what you're saying (V_V)
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Deezer definitely maphacks, hes pretty lowly. Also glad to see ToT got caught after 3 seasons of obvious hacking.
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On August 23 2011 18:56 JediGamer wrote:
Deezer definitely maphacks, hes pretty lowly. Also glad to see ToT got caught after 3 seasons of obvious hacking.
Well I can't refute that proof.
If he maphacks, why haven't I been given a single replay from anyone who's ever played him to prove it? He stream cheats, I'll agree with that. But I have no proof of maphacks from what you guys (who are so quick to condem him) are giving me.
Ergo, we can't say he is maphacking.
And yes, I realize I'm playing the "bad guy" by not throwing shit all over his face. I'm not here to slander, I'm here to compile a list of HACKERS (not stream cheaters, LARGE difference) and submit it to Blizzard.
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On August 21 2011 18:52 LonelyCat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 06:21 Hipsv wrote:
Can't say they were hacking, likely they were stream cheating. They never once looked through the fog of war and did a wall off on your bottom ramp before your pool was up then left, if they had seen the pool first with ANY hacks they wouldn't have proxied their forge/pylon and they could have built a cannon to contain you anyways even though you did 6 pool because of the choke of the ramp.
I like how you both accuse the other of being cheesy players when thats essentially mostly what occurs in 2v2 xD. But honestly stream cheater not hacker and the rest of your posts seem to really be digging deep to call a stream cheater a hacker (someone who's camera stays in one position for a long time is alt tabbed looking at a stream). Protech is usually pretty diligent studying the reps, could be camera lock if they don't look through the fog - on Protech's stream yesterday Kice looked pretty much like he was doing that but he hasn't been reported on here yet so I won't comment. If there are more reps of those guys that other people have that would be ideal for diagnosing hacking Also 2v2 cheese is different, something thats "cheese in 1v1" eg. 6pool is just a safe build in 2v2 if they cheese, no need to derail the discussion, this thread if about hacking 
Yeah, but what they do doesn't make any sense, because if they seen the 6 pool they would have just built the cannon and then another pylon there and he would have still been contained. They don't respond properly to the strategies that are executed after and their camera moves around freely for every other point in the game except for a little bit at the beginning where its pointing at their own base.
I find it a VERY hard stretch to say that they have a hacking program that locks the camera when
1) Their reaction to the opening was stupid
2) Their reaction to the follow up was stupid
3) They don't pan the camera into any place that they wouldn't normally without any action taken, and their camera "locks" are more consistent with someone alt tabbing than with someone using a hack.
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deezer y you so mad bro? you busted son now please leave..
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Server: NA
Your Name: Monchix
Hacker Name: MercPargasus
Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?31fdpwab32wwo8t
Description: Map hacking
Excessive peeking, here are the timestamps:
2:37, 2:57, 4:00, 4:57, 5:48, 6:22, 8:25, 10:56, 11:21, 11:46, 12:26 and 13:18
On a side note, here's MercPargasus and his buddy getting owned on LAGtv 2v2.
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