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On July 23 2011 06:59 Tleaf wrote:[spoiler] + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 06:57 partisan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:55 Tleaf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 06:45 Aphasie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:19 Dr_Jones wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v6ZqD.jpg) It's shit like this that makes me believe the multicultural society will prevail! Beautiful image to put things into perspective, especially considering the man in custody is 100% Norwegian. Thats the asiatic tourist i mentioned in my post! Btw are there more pics of the place connected to a user or anything? I wanna see things now that things have calmed down a bit + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 01:04 Aphasie wrote:I was about 100m from the explosion when it happened. (outside the VG building for those who are familiar where that is). Thankfully i was faceing with my back against it when all the glass exploded. An asiatic female tourist wasn't so lucky. She had cuts all over her face and think some of the glass was in her eyes. I just saw one other with minor cuts. The two that were hurt were already taken care of by someone else so i made sure somebody had called an ambulance. I saw a woman lying on the street crying and shaking so i comforted her and took her hand and led her away. Everybody seemed paralyzed so i shouted that everybody should get away in case there was a second bomb and people started moving. When we got like 600 meters away people started panicking and running so we stopped and i held her in my arms till people started cooling down. I then took her on the bus out of town and had a cup of coffee while we talked and she cooled down. Some came to pick her up and now im home having some beers. Edit: http://twitpic.com/5tzowl/fullThis is where i was standing (bus station behind the windows.). I remember the only half shattered window. It was the only one in 6 floors that was still half way intact. Please censor pictures :/ I'm glad you okay but seriously : / Cant even show pictures of injured people? my gf is in Oslo atm and I know of people on that island
I'm sorry, but I felt that picture had a lot of symbolic value, especially with regards to the first 50+ pages in this thread. It is nice to highlight the good sides of humans when the gruesome sides have been in focus for most of today. Also, as this picture was of a wounded, without (please do not take this out of context and flame me for it afterwards) significant wounds, I did not feel it was bad enough to be censored/spoilertagged. In addition, this is not a picture I took myself, but a picture I got of someone's twitter.
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On July 23 2011 06:55 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:47 decemberTV wrote:On July 23 2011 06:44 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:41 decemberTV wrote:
Surprisingly Al Jazeera had a better coverage of the press conference and alot of the events, than the BBC. I guess the BBC didn't want to show some of the more graphic images.
The most annoying thing is that now we all have to go to sleep without an answer as to the motivation behind all this and after 4 hours of watching it, thats doesn't feel right. A lot seems to point towards a right-wing extremist displeased with the government and the labour party. It also looks like a lone wolf or a tiny group of people responsible. But that doesn't make sense. What would they have to gain? Since most of the norwegian people would not side with the socialist party even more wouldn't they ? Is it the socialist party who agreed to send troups in Afghanistan back in the day or was it a different party ? I stared at your post for a good 5 minutes without getting a single decent answer. You're absolutely right. It doesn't make sense. At the end of the day he hasn't achieved anything but a perplexed nation and blog posts about human cruelty. I'm afraid I'm not politically invested enough to give any other detailed analysis.
You both are assuming that the people who did this was thinking rationally. At least here in America, where we've had a few homegrown extremist bombings, the people involved aren't doing it to hinder support for the government/party/group. They're doing it because they're pissed off at the government and they want to hurt anyone involved with what they're pissed at. So the Oklahoma City Bomber bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City because he hated the government. Of course, it just rallied us around, but he just wanted to hurt someone.
I mean, obviously, this doesn't make any sense. Attack a party and its young future leaders with bombs and bullets to actually drive support away? That wouldn't work anywhere. But to these people they just want to kill or hurt the ones they're pissed at. It's a horrible thing, but it's how these murderers go about things in their own world.
I'm pulling for my brothers in Norway. Good luck and best wishes.
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On July 23 2011 07:02 Brethern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:55 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:47 decemberTV wrote:On July 23 2011 06:44 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:41 decemberTV wrote:
Surprisingly Al Jazeera had a better coverage of the press conference and alot of the events, than the BBC. I guess the BBC didn't want to show some of the more graphic images.
The most annoying thing is that now we all have to go to sleep without an answer as to the motivation behind all this and after 4 hours of watching it, thats doesn't feel right. A lot seems to point towards a right-wing extremist displeased with the government and the labour party. It also looks like a lone wolf or a tiny group of people responsible. But that doesn't make sense. What would they have to gain? Since most of the norwegian people would not side with the socialist party even more wouldn't they ? Is it the socialist party who agreed to send troups in Afghanistan back in the day or was it a different party ? I stared at your post for a good 5 minutes without getting a single decent answer. You're absolutely right. It doesn't make sense. At the end of the day he hasn't achieved anything but a perplexed nation and blog posts about human cruelty. I'm afraid I'm not politically invested enough to give any other detailed analysis. Some people just want to watch the world burn. That's all the reason you need.
"Why do madmen do anything? They're bloody madmen, that's why!"
Seriously, stop trying to find reason and logic in their actions. If they were logical and reasonable, they wouldn't be serial killers.
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On July 23 2011 07:04 Grettin wrote:Yes please!
Google translate does a good enough job for me to get a good idea of what they're saying though it's not perfect...
+ Show Spoiler +This is the third time the 23-year-old is in custody since mid juli.Da he was charged with bodily harm by death tilfølge, after a motorist was forced off the road ogomkom.I end of August, he was imprisoned because his meat wildly around him while his girlfriend was present. At that time he was charged with careless medskytevåpen.Denne third time he was arrested avpolitiet in Oslo on Friday 2 November, with two police uniforms ibilen he drove. The police followed up ransakeleiligheten his. There, investigators found two pistols, engasspistol and ten old men with dynamite blasting caps, in all ettkilo sprengstoff.-My client has erkjentstraffskyld for the storage of the weapons and dynamite. Roosters Do not guilt of receiving stolen goods police uniforms, said 23-year-old lawyer, attorney Kathryn Evershos lawyer Øystein Storrvik.23-year-old was in 1998dømt to have purchased a large number of firearms and sold demvidere to people in the right extreme environment påRingerike. Among the weapons he was convicted of having sold, it was both Uzi machine guns, AK47 (Kalasjnikov) assault rifles, a shotgun and a shotgun avsaget. He bleogså convicted of illegally being in possession of a total 16ulike weapons. Among these was a 22kaliber salongriflemed silencer and telescopic sight. Some of his customers are blowing ones accused of planning attack on Norwegian society stops in 1997.I the same criminal case in 1998ble he was also convicted of violence against two anti-racists. 23-åringenvedgikk the time associated with the extreme right miljøetpåRingerike.
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GF´s sister has a classmate that´s on the island and has been confirmed as to have suffered gunshot wounds. Watching the news is like watching the middle east or something, crazy. Im money is one some right wing extremists or something.
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On July 23 2011 06:50 Aphasie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:46 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 06:45 Aphasie wrote:On July 23 2011 06:19 Dr_Jones wrote:It's shit like this that makes me believe the multicultural society will prevail! Beautiful image to put things into perspective, especially considering the man in custody is 100% Norwegian. Thats the asiatic tourist i mentioned in my post! + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 01:04 Aphasie wrote:I was about 100m from the explosion when it happened. (outside the VG building for those who are familiar where that is). Thankfully i was faceing with my back against it when all the glass exploded. An asiatic female tourist wasn't so lucky. She had cuts all over her face and think some of the glass was in her eyes. I just saw one other with minor cuts. The two that were hurt were already taken care of by someone else so i made sure somebody had called an ambulance. I saw a woman lying on the street crying and shaking so i comforted her and took her hand and led her away. Everybody seemed paralyzed so i shouted that everybody should get away in case there was a second bomb and people started moving. When we got like 600 meters away people started panicking and running so we stopped and i held her in my arms till people started cooling down. I then took her on the bus out of town and had a cup of coffee while we talked and she cooled down. Some came to pick her up and now im home having some beers. Edit: http://twitpic.com/5tzowl/fullThis is where i was standing (bus station behind the windows.). I remember the only half shattered window. It was the only one in 6 floors that was still half way intact. Are you the guy next to her? No he had already assumed "responsebility" for her so i figured i would help someone else. An off duty doctor later (or prior) also had also checked her out there wasnt much else one could do for her.
Do you mean she was mortally wounded? Or just figured you would be of more use elsewhere?
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How the hell does he slip through the system?!?!?
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Is this island an AUF camp the whole year around or just for now? And can anybody go there? It feels highly unlikely that the shooter would just randomly search AUF camp adress and go there to kill. He must have been there before and know that he could drive there and trick the responsible people with a police uniform to get a ride with the ferry over to the island and then do this. That would also explain why he was bringing a assault rifle with scope because he knows that you can only escape my swimming and he would know how it looked like at the island itself and because of that he could hit people much easier if they were on their way towards the water. 
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On July 23 2011 07:03 DoXa wrote:could someone please translate?
This is the third time the 23 year old is held in custody since middle July. Then, he was charged with destruction of property causing death, after a driver of a car was pushed off the road and died. At the end of August he was imprisoned for shooting wildly around himself while his girlfriend was present. That time he was charged for careless use of firearms. This third time he was arrested by the police in Olso, Friday November 2, with two police uniforms in his car. The police searched his apartment, finding two pistols, a gas pistol and ten pieces of dynamite with detonators, in total one kilo of explosives.
- My client has acknowledged holding the weapons and the dynamite. He does not consider himself guilty for holding the uniforms, says the defending lawyer of the 23 year old, Øystein Storrvik of Kathrine Evershos.
The 23 year old was convicted in 1998 for buying a large amount of firearms, and selling them on to people in the extremist right environment on Ringerike. Among the weapons he was convicted for selling, there were both Uzi machineguns, AK-47's (Kalashnikovs), a pump-action shotgun and a sawed-off shotgun. He was also convicted for illegal possession of in total 16 different firearms. Among these, a 22 caliber rifle with silencer and optics.
Some of his customers were later charged with planning an assassination of Norwegian society tops in 1997. In the same case in 1998, he was also convicted for violence against two anti racists. That time, he admitted a connection to the extreme right environment on Ringerike.
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On July 23 2011 07:09 Frigo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 07:02 Brethern wrote:On July 23 2011 06:55 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:47 decemberTV wrote:On July 23 2011 06:44 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:41 decemberTV wrote:
Surprisingly Al Jazeera had a better coverage of the press conference and alot of the events, than the BBC. I guess the BBC didn't want to show some of the more graphic images.
The most annoying thing is that now we all have to go to sleep without an answer as to the motivation behind all this and after 4 hours of watching it, thats doesn't feel right. A lot seems to point towards a right-wing extremist displeased with the government and the labour party. It also looks like a lone wolf or a tiny group of people responsible. But that doesn't make sense. What would they have to gain? Since most of the norwegian people would not side with the socialist party even more wouldn't they ? Is it the socialist party who agreed to send troups in Afghanistan back in the day or was it a different party ? I stared at your post for a good 5 minutes without getting a single decent answer. You're absolutely right. It doesn't make sense. At the end of the day he hasn't achieved anything but a perplexed nation and blog posts about human cruelty. I'm afraid I'm not politically invested enough to give any other detailed analysis. Some people just want to watch the world burn. That's all the reason you need. "Why do madmen do anything? They're bloody madmen, that's why!" Seriously, stop trying to find reason and logic in their actions. If they were logical and reasonable, they wouldn't be serial killers.
Also, it is not right for the victims if we allow their deaths to be used as a tool for making a statement of some kind.
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On July 23 2011 07:04 Grettin wrote:Yes please!
Basically it's a article about a Norwegian 23-year old nazi caught with explosives, dynamite and some police uniforms.
Some more information. He was arrested 1998 by selling guns to other neo nazis and also by violence against anti-racists.
Nothing more interesting.
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On July 23 2011 07:11 lol wrote:Is this island an AUF camp the whole year around or just for now? And can anybody go there? It feels highly unlikely that the shooter would just randomly search AUF camp adress and go there to kill. He must have been there before and know that he could drive there and trick the responsible people with a police uniform to get a ride with the ferry over to the island and then do this. That would also explain why he was bringing a assault rifle with scope because he knows that you can only escape my swimming and he would know how it looked like at the island itself and because of that he could hit people much easier if they were on their way towards the water.
It's surely an annual/bi-annual event, there's always these big conventions/gatherings for the different youth parties.
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On July 23 2011 07:09 Frigo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 07:02 Brethern wrote:On July 23 2011 06:55 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:47 decemberTV wrote:On July 23 2011 06:44 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 06:41 decemberTV wrote:
Surprisingly Al Jazeera had a better coverage of the press conference and alot of the events, than the BBC. I guess the BBC didn't want to show some of the more graphic images.
The most annoying thing is that now we all have to go to sleep without an answer as to the motivation behind all this and after 4 hours of watching it, thats doesn't feel right. A lot seems to point towards a right-wing extremist displeased with the government and the labour party. It also looks like a lone wolf or a tiny group of people responsible. But that doesn't make sense. What would they have to gain? Since most of the norwegian people would not side with the socialist party even more wouldn't they ? Is it the socialist party who agreed to send troups in Afghanistan back in the day or was it a different party ? I stared at your post for a good 5 minutes without getting a single decent answer. You're absolutely right. It doesn't make sense. At the end of the day he hasn't achieved anything but a perplexed nation and blog posts about human cruelty. I'm afraid I'm not politically invested enough to give any other detailed analysis. Some people just want to watch the world burn. That's all the reason you need. "Why do madmen do anything? They're bloody madmen, that's why!" Seriously, stop trying to find reason and logic in their actions. If they were logical and reasonable, they wouldn't be serial killers. If they were logical and reasonable they would be serial killers. Study a few cases of serial killers you'll find that everything they do in regards to a kill is governed by a calculating mind.
They will do things like relish in the feeling of their blade scraping against the bone of their victim. Or the look of panic in their eyes knowing their life is slipping away.
Mass shootings like this are different. There is no reasoning it's just blaze away until you are stopped.
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Kids on the island now interviewed on TV has described the guy to be using a "sniper rifle", along with a semi automatic pistol. So, gun discussion now dead. You're welcome.
In addition, he was telling the confused kids "It's ok, come here, I'm a police officer here to save you" and then executing them on point blank range.
Yep, it's that sick..
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On July 23 2011 07:11 lol wrote:Is this island an AUF camp the whole year around or just for now? And can anybody go there? It feels highly unlikely that the shooter would just randomly search AUF camp adress and go there to kill. He must have been there before and know that he could drive there and trick the responsible people with a police uniform to get a ride with the ferry over to the island and then do this. That would also explain why he was bringing a assault rifle with scope because he knows that you can only escape my swimming and he would know how it looked like at the island itself and because of that he could hit people much easier if they were on their way towards the water.
One week each year. It is a summer camp for young politically interested people.
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wasn't there also an attempted bombing in Sweden not long ago? why the sudden targeting of Scandinavian countries?
good luck to everyone there, hope damage was minimal and hope your country doesn't do what mine did and go to war with half the world because of it
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On July 23 2011 07:14 Sega92 wrote:
wasn't there also an attempted bombing in Sweden not long ago? why the sudden targeting of Scandinavian countries?
good luck to everyone there, hope damage was minimal and hope your country doesn't do what mine did and go to war with half the world because of it
afaik norway had armies in afghanistan
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On July 23 2011 07:03 DoXa wrote:could someone please translate?
The article is from November 2001.
Nazi caught with dynamite and police uniforms
A 23 year old nazi from Ringerike is brought into custody after police found to guns, 1kg explosives and two police uniforms.
This is the third time the 23-year old is brought into custody since mid-July. He had been charged after a driver had been pushed off the road, resulting in his death. He was arrested in late august for careless use of firearms. This time he was caught by police with two police uniforms in his car. Investigators found guns and explosives in his apartment.
He was in 1998 sentenced for buying a large quantity of weapons and selling them to right-wing extremists. Amongs the weapons sold were Uzis, AK-47s and shotguns. He was also found in possession of 16 diffreent weapons. Some of his clients were later charged for planning assasinations. He was also charged with violence towards two persons involved in anti-racism.
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Rough translation
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Beaten by a large margin. Oh well.
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On July 23 2011 07:10 Gunther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 06:50 Aphasie wrote:On July 23 2011 06:46 Grettin wrote:On July 23 2011 06:45 Aphasie wrote:On July 23 2011 06:19 Dr_Jones wrote:It's shit like this that makes me believe the multicultural society will prevail! Beautiful image to put things into perspective, especially considering the man in custody is 100% Norwegian. Thats the asiatic tourist i mentioned in my post! + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 01:04 Aphasie wrote:I was about 100m from the explosion when it happened. (outside the VG building for those who are familiar where that is). Thankfully i was faceing with my back against it when all the glass exploded. An asiatic female tourist wasn't so lucky. She had cuts all over her face and think some of the glass was in her eyes. I just saw one other with minor cuts. The two that were hurt were already taken care of by someone else so i made sure somebody had called an ambulance. I saw a woman lying on the street crying and shaking so i comforted her and took her hand and led her away. Everybody seemed paralyzed so i shouted that everybody should get away in case there was a second bomb and people started moving. When we got like 600 meters away people started panicking and running so we stopped and i held her in my arms till people started cooling down. I then took her on the bus out of town and had a cup of coffee while we talked and she cooled down. Some came to pick her up and now im home having some beers. Edit: http://twitpic.com/5tzowl/fullThis is where i was standing (bus station behind the windows.). I remember the only half shattered window. It was the only one in 6 floors that was still half way intact. Are you the guy next to her? No he had already assumed "responsebility" for her so i figured i would help someone else. An off duty doctor later (or prior) also had also checked her out there wasnt much else one could do for her. Do you mean she was mortally wounded? Or just figured you would be of more use elsewhere?
She was fine, only minor cuts beyond the glass that might have been in her eyes.
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