• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:09
CET 12:09
KST 20:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win22025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!9BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION1Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Could we add "Avoid Matchup" Feature for rankgame The New Patch Killed Mech! Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET [ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ASL final tickets help
Strategy
PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
LMAO (controversial!!)
Peanutsc
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1540 users

Petition for New (good) Maps - Page 3

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 03:01:03
June 30 2011 03:00 GMT
#41
Petitions won't do much
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
June 30 2011 03:00 GMT
#42
Community maps are obviously far better for what we define as good gameplay, but unfortunately, Blizzard has a different idea of what 'good gameplay' is. Just look at their explanations of the new S3 maps. They strictly define a few of them as 'rush' maps, or as having 'rush' gameplay in certain spawning positions. The fact that they say this like it isn't a bad thing is troubling.

The awful state of the current map pool is purposeful. It's not ignorance on their part, it's just that they believe that being able to take a third base on every map is a bad thing. I doubt Blizzard ladder will ever change, and for that reason, it will continue to be worthless.

I'm sure you guys on the mapping team have seen some of the alternative ladder systems like NTBL popping up. Rather than trying to convince Blizzard to alter their mindset, it's probably better to support ladders that actual users have control over.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 30 2011 03:04 GMT
#43
If you took 20 never before seen maps, 10 from Blizzard and 10 that were community made, and you had to decide which were which, no one would be able to do it.

Fact is, people reject Blizzard maps simply because they're Blizzard, and embrace community maps (even awful ones) simply because they aren't Blizzard maps. I wish I could give an anti-signature to this petition. It's one thing to create maps and hope the community embraces them, it's other to insult other peoples' (Blizzard's) work in order to promote your own.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
June 30 2011 03:06 GMT
#44
On June 30 2011 12:04 Ocedic wrote:
If you took 20 never before seen maps, 10 from Blizzard and 10 that were community made, and you had to decide which were which, no one would be able to do it.

So you're saying the community maps are good enough to appear on the Blizzard ladder?

Awesome! TL mappers thank you for your vote of confidence. ^_^
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 30 2011 03:07 GMT
#45
On June 30 2011 12:04 Ocedic wrote:
If you took 20 never before seen maps, 10 from Blizzard and 10 that were community made, and you had to decide which were which, no one would be able to do it.

Fact is, people reject Blizzard maps simply because they're Blizzard, and embrace community maps (even awful ones) simply because they aren't Blizzard maps. I wish I could give an anti-signature to this petition. It's one thing to create maps and hope the community embraces them, it's other to insult other peoples' (Blizzard's) work in order to promote your own.

but it'd be pretty obvious to tell the worst blizzard maps from the best community ones, which is the whole point of the petition
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
June 30 2011 03:07 GMT
#46
On June 30 2011 12:04 Ocedic wrote:
If you took 20 never before seen maps, 10 from Blizzard and 10 that were community made, and you had to decide which were which, no one would be able to do it.

Fact is, people reject Blizzard maps simply because they're Blizzard, and embrace community maps (even awful ones) simply because they aren't Blizzard maps. I wish I could give an anti-signature to this petition. It's one thing to create maps and hope the community embraces them, it's other to insult other peoples' (Blizzard's) work in order to promote your own.



Meh, you could tell the maps of the top Korean mapmakers apart from Blizzard maps. They tend to experiment more (Less minerals at some bases, rich geysers) and allow for generally easier expansion and longer rush distances, along with less rocks across expansions.
insta111
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States80 Posts
June 30 2011 03:07 GMT
#47
On June 30 2011 12:04 Ocedic wrote:
If you took 20 never before seen maps, 10 from Blizzard and 10 that were community made, and you had to decide which were which, no one would be able to do it.

Fact is, people reject Blizzard maps simply because they're Blizzard, and embrace community maps (even awful ones) simply because they aren't Blizzard maps. I wish I could give an anti-signature to this petition. It's one thing to create maps and hope the community embraces them, it's other to insult other peoples' (Blizzard's) work in order to promote your own.


But if you could see which maps allowed close spawns, it would be pretty easy

However, I agree that Blizzard has put out decent maps, aside from DQ, Slag Pits, Scrap Station, and close positions Metal and Shattered. With three downvotes, though, my games as a Zerg turn out okay for the most part.
Utukka
Profile Joined September 2010
26 Posts
June 30 2011 03:09 GMT
#48
On June 30 2011 11:34 DeepBlu2 wrote:
signed but the reason they won't do it, which I disagree with, is because they believe that larger maps can be not only imbalanced but are terrible for low league players. The defense is that you can veto the maps you don't like but there are not enough vetoes sadly. If anything, you can expect the larger maps (like tal'darim) to be changed or removed. I doubt their mindset will change sadly. They do have a reasonable defense though.


If their big concern is lower level players, maybe they should consider adding maps that are for diamond and higher players only. That way the lower players aren't overwhelmed and the higher up players still get what they want. I personally would love for a larger map pool.
pyrestrike
Profile Joined October 2010
United States235 Posts
June 30 2011 03:09 GMT
#49
signed. Let's get this done! :D
( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ )
Atlare
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia893 Posts
June 30 2011 03:10 GMT
#50
Signed and I believe I saw djWHEAT's name a few under mine so you're getting top notch support
Considering learning BW
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
June 30 2011 03:11 GMT
#51
These maps look pretty unique :D Would be fun to test, and smooth them out ^^
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
TL+ Member
TerrorBird
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada58 Posts
June 30 2011 03:12 GMT
#52
I'm skeptical as to whether or not the petition will do anything, but I'm greatly in favor so I signed it anyway :D
Blacken the sun, bloody the moon.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 30 2011 03:16 GMT
#53
/Signed
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
June 30 2011 03:18 GMT
#54
i really like the look of Sanctuarium... could make for some sick macro dood! Signed!!! :D
Terran Metal for the Win
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
June 30 2011 03:18 GMT
#55
I was going to say that Blizzard doesn't listen to petitions, but those maps are beautiful!
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
Moff
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom166 Posts
June 30 2011 03:22 GMT
#56
Signed
Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
June 30 2011 03:32 GMT
#57
what about "the eighteenth"?
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#58
signed
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
June 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#59
signed!
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
sOAvoid
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada206 Posts
June 30 2011 03:36 GMT
#60
bring back steppes please then i join
"We must believe in luck. For how else can we explain the success of those we don't like."
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 15 16 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 51m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1996
BeSt 729
actioN 501
Mini 254
sSak 183
EffOrt 175
Last 153
Light 121
PianO 59
ToSsGirL 59
[ Show more ]
Aegong 49
Mind 39
sorry 30
Sharp 23
soO 21
yabsab 16
Sacsri 13
Icarus 13
Terrorterran 8
HiyA 7
scan(afreeca) 6
Bale 5
Dota 2
XcaliburYe190
ODPixel142
League of Legends
JimRising 429
Counter-Strike
x6flipin224
Other Games
singsing1576
olofmeister1146
crisheroes245
Pyrionflax239
Sick178
oskar82
Mew2King72
B2W.Neo63
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL20182
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 62
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2710
Upcoming Events
OSC
51m
CrankTV Team League
1h 51m
Shopify Rebellion vs Team Falcon
BASILISK vs Team Liquid
Replay Cast
11h 51m
The PondCast
21h 51m
CrankTV Team League
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
MaNa vs Gerald
Rogue vs GuMiho
ByuN vs Spirit
herO vs Solar
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
3 days
Dewalt vs Shine
UltrA vs ZeLoT
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL Team A[vengers]
4 days
Cross vs Motive
Sziky vs HiyA
BSL 21
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.