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On January 05 2012 20:30 Rodimus Prime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 16:31 decafchicken wrote:
I'll try to explain this as best as i can:
I'm 21 with a steady girlfriend for the past 1.5 months.
I've been having sex with her for ~7 months (during which time she banged two of my best friends)
Roughly the whole time i was having sex with other girls while i was hooking up with her
Now that I'm dating her (and for some reason reeeeeeeally like her) I run into oppurtunities to hook up with other girls hotter than her (i.e. i'm not doing much, they are initiating) and i do enjoy a good ol conquering of the opposite sex.
So basically, i've hooked up with other girls while we were basically almost dating but now that we are i don't know if i should take advantage of these oppurtunities.
Edit: i would assume i'm going to marry NO women i meet at this age. Aren't you that Asian kid who got circumcised? I must say, you have in a single post outshined everything squattincassanova has posted in this entire thread with all his field reports and gay photos.
1) I'm not Asian?
2) I was fucking hammered when I wrote that
3) I'm in college and went from banging everything that moved into a relationship.
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On January 05 2012 23:44 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 20:30 Rodimus Prime wrote:On January 05 2012 16:31 decafchicken wrote:
I'll try to explain this as best as i can:
I'm 21 with a steady girlfriend for the past 1.5 months.
I've been having sex with her for ~7 months (during which time she banged two of my best friends)
Roughly the whole time i was having sex with other girls while i was hooking up with her
Now that I'm dating her (and for some reason reeeeeeeally like her) I run into oppurtunities to hook up with other girls hotter than her (i.e. i'm not doing much, they are initiating) and i do enjoy a good ol conquering of the opposite sex.
So basically, i've hooked up with other girls while we were basically almost dating but now that we are i don't know if i should take advantage of these oppurtunities.
Edit: i would assume i'm going to marry NO women i meet at this age. Aren't you that Asian kid who got circumcised? I must say, you have in a single post outshined everything squattincassanova has posted in this entire thread with all his field reports and gay photos. 1) I'm not Asian? 2) I was fucking hammered when I wrote that 3) I'm in college and went from banging everything that moved into a relationship.
more bragging plz?
U should also post how much u squat, snatch and clean & jerk :p
Edit: To ur question, u feel like not taking opportunities cause you would feel geniunely guilty about it or just because u might get caught?
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Holy shit decaf, you are still 22? That means when I was posting on bnet in college, you were like 13! hahaha.
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Wow, I am happy to be in a good relationship, so I dont have to think about "strategic factors" when talking to women. Actually I think you need to be pretty desperate or have a raging inferiority complex to call yourself a "pickup artist" and reduce women to numbers, groups of women to sets and so on. Do you really have nothing at all to do except trying to fuck girls?
Just looking at one recent post:
On January 04 2012 16:37 squattincassanova wrote:If you are a virgin, and you only want to bang 9's and 10's, how often do you encounter 9's and 10's so you get enough practice to bang more 9's and 10's? We don't live millenniums! Start banging 5s and 6s if you suck and then once you hit like 20 lays, go for qualify over quantity.
Why is this guy not banned if he can only write stuff like this? I cannot think of any more shallow, intellectually undemanding discussion than this one. Apparently everything goes as long as no one writes "fuck you guys"...
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On January 06 2012 03:36 dicex wrote:Wow, I am happy to be in a good relationship, so I dont have to think about "strategic factors" when talking to women. Actually I think you need to be pretty desperate or have a raging inferiority complex to call yourself a "pickup artist" and reduce women to numbers, groups of women to sets and so on. Do you really have nothing at all to do except trying to fuck girls? Just looking at one recent post: Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 16:37 squattincassanova wrote:If you are a virgin, and you only want to bang 9's and 10's, how often do you encounter 9's and 10's so you get enough practice to bang more 9's and 10's? We don't live millenniums! Start banging 5s and 6s if you suck and then once you hit like 20 lays, go for qualify over quantity. Why is this guy not banned if he can only write stuff like this? I cannot think of any more shallow, intellectually undemanding discussion than this one. Apparently everything goes as long as no one writes "fuck you guys"...
Way to take things out of context bro. That paragraph was about guys who aren't good with women that are super picky. And as a result, they never find success with women because of their lack of experience and their pickiness. And yes, you do need experience to be good with women just like you need experience for starcraft or any sport.
This is a PUA thread. Don't like it? Leave. Glad you are in a happy relationship, why are you in here then? Something tells me you probably aren't that happy.
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On January 06 2012 03:55 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:36 dicex wrote:Wow, I am happy to be in a good relationship, so I dont have to think about "strategic factors" when talking to women. Actually I think you need to be pretty desperate or have a raging inferiority complex to call yourself a "pickup artist" and reduce women to numbers, groups of women to sets and so on. Do you really have nothing at all to do except trying to fuck girls? Just looking at one recent post: On January 04 2012 16:37 squattincassanova wrote:If you are a virgin, and you only want to bang 9's and 10's, how often do you encounter 9's and 10's so you get enough practice to bang more 9's and 10's? We don't live millenniums! Start banging 5s and 6s if you suck and then once you hit like 20 lays, go for qualify over quantity. Why is this guy not banned if he can only write stuff like this? I cannot think of any more shallow, intellectually undemanding discussion than this one. Apparently everything goes as long as no one writes "fuck you guys"... Way to take things out of context bro. That paragraph was about guys who aren't good with women that are super picky. And as a result, they never find success with women because of their lack of experience and their pickiness. And yes, you do need experience to be good with women just like you need experience for starcraft or any sport. This is a PUA thread. Don't like it? Leave. Glad you are in a happy relationship, why are you in here then? Something tells me you probably aren't that happy.
I more or less stumbled over this threat, and didn't even know what this PUA stuff was about. Also, my current relationship is fine, because I found a girl I want to stay together with (after a few other ones which proved as "dead ends").
So you have a point in asking me what I am even doing here. I read some of your other posts and found out that you seem to be an intelligent guy, quite contrary to what someone would suspect just from the text I quoted before. So I admit that my first impression was I little bit too hasty...
However, allow me to ask a few questions about this whole picking-up-girls-science-mindset:
I personally would not be together with a girl I do not find attractive. But on the other side, if she fulfills a certain level of attractiveness, I really dont care if she is a 9/10 or a 7/10 (speaking in your language). Let us assume that at some point, you would find a woman that fits you perfectly, concerning character, common interests, humor, sex etc. . But she is only a 7/10. Other men would not even care about this, but don't you think that someone with years of training as a PUA could look over this flaw and be happy with this girl? Would he even give her a chance?
I think the PUA mindset can work well if you are just looking for sex, but it can become a problem when searching for a long-term relationship partner. Love at first sight ist rarely the case, most of the time you only find out someone would be perfect for you after you know her better, so what if you didn't even give her a chance?
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dicex, every time I'm with a 6 or a 7, the world ends up a better place and god saves a kitty. Why? Think about it from the girls perspective!.... how often does she meet a guy who is funny, got their shit handled, and has the body of Zeus and Thor?
I mean having this boosted confidence, the girl goes into the world tacking challenges that they normally wouldn't have, such as going to college, or opening a savings account!
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On January 06 2012 04:19 dicex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 03:55 squattincassanova wrote:On January 06 2012 03:36 dicex wrote:Wow, I am happy to be in a good relationship, so I dont have to think about "strategic factors" when talking to women. Actually I think you need to be pretty desperate or have a raging inferiority complex to call yourself a "pickup artist" and reduce women to numbers, groups of women to sets and so on. Do you really have nothing at all to do except trying to fuck girls? Just looking at one recent post: On January 04 2012 16:37 squattincassanova wrote:If you are a virgin, and you only want to bang 9's and 10's, how often do you encounter 9's and 10's so you get enough practice to bang more 9's and 10's? We don't live millenniums! Start banging 5s and 6s if you suck and then once you hit like 20 lays, go for qualify over quantity. Why is this guy not banned if he can only write stuff like this? I cannot think of any more shallow, intellectually undemanding discussion than this one. Apparently everything goes as long as no one writes "fuck you guys"... Way to take things out of context bro. That paragraph was about guys who aren't good with women that are super picky. And as a result, they never find success with women because of their lack of experience and their pickiness. And yes, you do need experience to be good with women just like you need experience for starcraft or any sport. This is a PUA thread. Don't like it? Leave. Glad you are in a happy relationship, why are you in here then? Something tells me you probably aren't that happy. I more or less stumbled over this threat, and didn't even know what this PUA stuff was about. Also, my current relationship is fine, because I found a girl I want to stay together with (after a few other ones which proved as "dead ends"). So you have a point in asking me what I am even doing here. I read some of your other posts and found out that you seem to be an intelligent guy, quite contrary to what someone would suspect just from the text I quoted before. So I admit that my first impression was I little bit too hasty... However, allow me to ask a few questions about this whole picking-up-girls-science-mindset: I personally would not be together with a girl I do not find attractive. But on the other side, if she fulfills a certain level of attractiveness, I really dont care if she is a 9/10 or a 7/10 (speaking in your language). Let us assume that at some point, you would find a woman that fits you perfectly, concerning character, common interests, humor, sex etc. . But she is only a 7/10. Other men would not even care about this, but don't you think that someone with years of training as a PUA could look over this flaw and be happy with this girl? Would he even give her a chance? I think the PUA mindset can work well if you are just looking for sex, but it can become a problem when searching for a long-term relationship partner. Love at first sight ist rarely the case, most of the time you only find out someone would be perfect for you after you know her better, so what if you didn't even give her a chance?
The numbering system is just an arbitrary system so other guys know the quality of a girl. For most guys, there really is only two numbers, a 0 or a 1. Yes, you are attracted and no you aren't attracted.
And yes, I met many girls with mediocre faces/bodies but with great intelligence and personalities and I am attracted to them. You have to realize that people are still people before or after pickup.
Not every person in PUA is the same, within PUA there are tons of different methodologies and schools of thought. I been reading the stuff for 5 years and I still find plenty of new things to learn from, I like how you just walk right in and you are making all these sweeping generalizations. I intern for a pick up company, and believe me the variation of people in there are huge... from virgins who want a girlfriend, to guys who just want to get laid, from social guys who want to be better with women... the spectrum is completely broad.
You can't possibly know this stuff. You are in a relationship. You never gone and and winged with strangers and heard their stories. There are guys who are happy starting out and getting even just a good conversation or connection.
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On January 06 2012 04:20 squattincassanova wrote:
dicex, every time I'm with a 6 or a 7, the world ends up a better place and god saves a kitty. Why? Think about it from the girls perspective!.... how often does she meet a guy who is funny, got their shit handled, and has the body of Zeus and Thor?
I mean having this boosted confidence, the girl goes into the world tacking challenges that they normally wouldn't have, such as going to college, or opening a savings account!
So after being together with a guy looking as good as you, the mediocre looking girl realizes she is not a big of a loser she thought before, and goes to college?
Do you go to university? Because the self-confidence of the girls I meet there is 95% defined by factors other than their appearance and the one of their partners. So the world cannot end up being a better place just by you screwing 6s and 7s.
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On January 06 2012 04:20 squattincassanova wrote:
dicex, every time I'm with a 6 or a 7, the world ends up a better place and god saves a kitty. Why? Think about it from the girls perspective!.... how often does she meet a guy who is funny, got their shit handled, and has the body of Zeus and Thor?
I mean having this boosted confidence, the girl goes into the world tacking challenges that they normally wouldn't have, such as going to college, or opening a savings account!
That has to be from girl to girl tho. Being in a close knit girl dominated field ive seen girls react in many different ways. Some do just what you say using it as an ego boost, others get angry because they got played, a few raise their standards to impossible standards, some get depresed because they feel it was their fault it didnt lead to an relation and some just dont care.
However if a girl fucks you because of a hot body she will in 100 percent of the cases feel good about it.
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LOL, im trolling about the god saves a kitty part.
I know this is crazy.... but the girls that end up with me "actually like me"... I know its a crazy concept. And dicex, I graduated college, studied chemical engineering.
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On January 06 2012 04:30 squattincassanova wrote:The numbering system is just an arbitrary system so other guys know the quality of a girl. For most guys, there really is only two numbers, a 0 or a 1. Yes, you are attracted and no you aren't attracted.
So could you personally imagine a scenario where you meet girl that is suitable for a long-term relationship? And would you change your "tactics" or stop using them at all because "this time, it is serious"? If there are no pillow sports on the first night, would you meet her again?
Maybe you are right about me not having the insight into this scene. But I am sceptical that guys thinking like that could lose their ability to talk to girls "normally" and find a partner "normally" without making a science out of it.
EDIT:
And dicex, I graduated college, studied chemical engineering.
Wow, congratulations!
I study electrical engineering, but know some guys who do chem-eng, and there's some really difficult courses in their study program...
Also, yes, the girls I know from university actually seem to care much less about looks than about academic accomplishments.
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On January 06 2012 04:39 dicex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:30 squattincassanova wrote:The numbering system is just an arbitrary system so other guys know the quality of a girl. For most guys, there really is only two numbers, a 0 or a 1. Yes, you are attracted and no you aren't attracted. So could you personally imagine a scenario where you meet girl that is suitable for a long-term relationship? And would you change your "tactics" or stop using them at all because "this time, it is serious"? If there are no pillow sports on the first night, would you meet her again? Maybe you are right about me not having the insight into this scene. But I am sceptical that guys thinking like that could lose their ability to talk to girls "normally" and find a partner "normally" without making a science out of it.
I don't want to sound all technical... but the "strategies" of a one night stand is no different than the strategies for making a girl your girlfriend at the initial stages. The longer a girls knows you without sleeping with you.... the more her attractions drops. And again, this is not every scenario... this is in general.
Up to the point of sleeping with her, in general, my game doesn't change. But after sleeping with her, that's where you decide. Also.... keeping a girl as your girlfriend and managing relationships is a whole set of skills which are different than just getting the girl.
Effect of Time on Attraction
http://www.girlschase.com/content/secrets-getting-girls-move-faster
http://www.girlschase.com/content/attraction-has-expiration-date
Relationship Management
http://www.girlschase.com/content/self-expansion-and-growth-relationships
http://www.girlschase.com/content/long-term-relationship-mans-manual-getting-started
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Agreed about attraction; it dies out for chicks after awhile (the time depending on various things), unless there was some sort of friction (ex: you had a girlfriend) that prevented it.
Like a quote I (somewhat) remember from mad men said, you gotta go up her skirt before you get her heart. Or something like that 
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Man, I listened into one of those you tube clips and not to be overly harsh, but that was creepy, excessively creepy in that.
Recording people without their knowledge? That is creepy, bordering stalking. Would you like to be recorded and reproduced over the internet witout your consent to be discussed by a bunch of predominantly adolescents - not me. This oddly perturbs me a lot, I feel I need to speak up for people who have had their privacy invaded or violated without their knowledge.
Also, of course with the benefit of knowing what you were doing, you did come across as very rehearsed and artificial, I find it hard to believe a sober half intelligent person wouldn't pick up on the fakeness. Since I did listening just a minute to the muffled track and I'm not perceptive at all.
Of course you will put down what I'm saying here as white knight behaviour. Regardless, I don't think "your game" should excuse any kind of weirdo behaviour and make things acceptable that are frowned upon or rejected by the wider public. Doing things secretely doesn't make them right either.So again, recording without consent, for whatever reason, be it educational or self improving...not okay.
I pretty much concur with the previous post in saying that if some girl is receptive to some guy who has learned to pick up women, good for him. Hope he gets laid. The intention is no different than when anyone else picks up the girl with the intention to hook up or whatever.
A few points that come to my mind right now are:if you practice this game or art (or pastime/way of life) you've come to the conclusion that you yourself, as you are, or were (maybe shy or not good interacting in social gatherings, ... all that stuff) do not consider yourself good or likeable enough and need help, or fixing. I find this significant. While trying to lose weight or shaping up or trying to manage your anger are widely considered positive I'm not sure if trying to change the way you are in conversation has the same positive ring to it. I believe people in character are more or less set, a result a combination of genetics and upbringing. Behaviours can be influenced and changed over time but not someones character.
Basically the way the PUA community perceives it is the way we intereact with each other is behaviour not character.That allows the conclusion or notion that everything within that setting can be controlled even manipulated (within statistical bounderies). That's the philosophy you're committing to. A. I pretty much suck and dislike myself. and B. I'm going to trying and fix myself, and do it while using my head, and some sort of cognitive effort, a structured learning experience.As long as you're aware of and happy to live with these two truths, more power to you.I'm not sure if this can sabotage your sense of self worth in the long run, it i see potential for this, but it might not. Would be a bummer if it did, ultimately sabotaging your efforts, maybe someone experienced can comment on this.
Finally, I don't think anyone can deny this community has a self help ring to it. It's a self help group for men and boys who feel their quality of life isn't what it could be due to their (initial) received reaction from females. Self help groups are positive and important when someone is suffering. But since we're not talking about a fatal illness here, once you reach a certain level of confidence and receive positive response from females, it's probably best to graduate from self improvement school, stop playing the game and live your life. The way i see it there's a path you're moving a long from say
dweeby/loser/shy.......................normal....cool/player(in your own eyes)...............focussed about the game and high scores.......freak/obsessed/going to try and make a living out of this (some started here I presume).
and I hate to repeat myself but recording stuff in public, you've reached the advanced areas on said scale. I don't like that.
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On January 06 2012 18:10 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Man, I listened into one of those you tube clips and not to be overly harsh, but that was creepy, excessively creepy in that.
Recording people without their knowledge? That is creepy, bordering stalking. Would you like to be recorded and reproduced over the internet witout your consent to be discussed by a bunch of predominantly adolescents - not me. This oddly perturbs me a lot, I feel I need to speak up for people who have had their privacy invaded or violated without their knowledge.
Also, of course with the benefit of knowing what you were doing, you did come across as very rehearsed and artificial, I find it hard to believe a sober half intelligent person wouldn't pick up on the fakeness. Since I did listening just a minute to the muffled track and I'm not perceptive at all.
Of course you will put down what I'm saying here as white knight behaviour. Regardless, I don't think "your game" should excuse any kind of weirdo behaviour and make things acceptable that are frowned upon or rejected by the wider public. Doing things secretely doesn't make them right either.So again, recording without consent, for whatever reason, be it educational or self improving...not okay.
I pretty much concur with the previous post in saying that if some girl is receptive to some guy who has learned to pick up women, good for him. Hope he gets laid. The intention is no different than when anyone else picks up the girl with the intention to hook up or whatever.
A few points that come to my mind right now are:if you practice this game or art (or pastime/way of life) you've come to the conclusion that you yourself, as you are, or were (maybe shy or not good interacting in social gatherings, ... all that stuff) do not consider yourself good or likeable enough and need help, or fixing. I find this significant. While trying to lose weight or shaping up or trying to manage your anger are widely considered positive I'm not sure if trying to change the way you are in conversation has the same positive ring to it. I believe people in character are more or less set, a result a combination of genetics and upbringing. Behaviours can be influenced and changed over time but not someones character.
Basically the way the PUA community perceives it is the way we intereact with each other is behaviour not character.That allows the conclusion or notion that everything within that setting can be controlled even manipulated (within statistical bounderies). That's the philosophy you're committing to. A. I pretty much suck and dislike myself. and B. I'm going to trying and fix myself, and do it while using my head, and some sort of cognitive effort, a structured learning experience.As long as you're aware of and happy to live with these two truths, more power to you.I'm not sure if this can sabotage your sense of self worth in the long run, it i see potential for this, but it might not. Would be a bummer if it did, ultimately sabotaging your efforts, maybe someone experienced can comment on this.
Finally, I don't think anyone can deny this community has a self help ring to it. It's a self help group for men and boys who feel their quality of life isn't what it could be due to their (initial) received reaction from females. Self help groups are positive and important when someone is suffering. But since we're not talking about a fatal illness here, once you reach a certain level of confidence and receive positive response from females, it's probably best to graduate from self improvement school, stop playing the game and live your life. The way i see it there's a path you're moving a long from say
dweeby/loser/shy.......................normal....cool/player(in your own eyes)...............focussed about the game and high scores.......freak/obsessed/going to try and make a living out of this (some started here I presume).
and I hate to repeat myself but recording stuff in public, you've reached the advanced areas on said scale. I don't like that.
Nothing wrong with learning PUA - it's just that squattingcassanova is so bad at it it's like watching a noob playing Starcraft and making a million mistakes. Check out youtube.com/simplepickup for some decent recordings that aren't filled with awkwardness and retardation.
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On January 06 2012 21:08 Rodimus Prime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 18:10 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Man, I listened into one of those you tube clips and not to be overly harsh, but that was creepy, excessively creepy in that.
Recording people without their knowledge? That is creepy, bordering stalking. Would you like to be recorded and reproduced over the internet witout your consent to be discussed by a bunch of predominantly adolescents - not me. This oddly perturbs me a lot, I feel I need to speak up for people who have had their privacy invaded or violated without their knowledge.
Also, of course with the benefit of knowing what you were doing, you did come across as very rehearsed and artificial, I find it hard to believe a sober half intelligent person wouldn't pick up on the fakeness. Since I did listening just a minute to the muffled track and I'm not perceptive at all.
Of course you will put down what I'm saying here as white knight behaviour. Regardless, I don't think "your game" should excuse any kind of weirdo behaviour and make things acceptable that are frowned upon or rejected by the wider public. Doing things secretely doesn't make them right either.So again, recording without consent, for whatever reason, be it educational or self improving...not okay.
I pretty much concur with the previous post in saying that if some girl is receptive to some guy who has learned to pick up women, good for him. Hope he gets laid. The intention is no different than when anyone else picks up the girl with the intention to hook up or whatever.
A few points that come to my mind right now are:if you practice this game or art (or pastime/way of life) you've come to the conclusion that you yourself, as you are, or were (maybe shy or not good interacting in social gatherings, ... all that stuff) do not consider yourself good or likeable enough and need help, or fixing. I find this significant. While trying to lose weight or shaping up or trying to manage your anger are widely considered positive I'm not sure if trying to change the way you are in conversation has the same positive ring to it. I believe people in character are more or less set, a result a combination of genetics and upbringing. Behaviours can be influenced and changed over time but not someones character.
Basically the way the PUA community perceives it is the way we intereact with each other is behaviour not character.That allows the conclusion or notion that everything within that setting can be controlled even manipulated (within statistical bounderies). That's the philosophy you're committing to. A. I pretty much suck and dislike myself. and B. I'm going to trying and fix myself, and do it while using my head, and some sort of cognitive effort, a structured learning experience.As long as you're aware of and happy to live with these two truths, more power to you.I'm not sure if this can sabotage your sense of self worth in the long run, it i see potential for this, but it might not. Would be a bummer if it did, ultimately sabotaging your efforts, maybe someone experienced can comment on this.
Finally, I don't think anyone can deny this community has a self help ring to it. It's a self help group for men and boys who feel their quality of life isn't what it could be due to their (initial) received reaction from females. Self help groups are positive and important when someone is suffering. But since we're not talking about a fatal illness here, once you reach a certain level of confidence and receive positive response from females, it's probably best to graduate from self improvement school, stop playing the game and live your life. The way i see it there's a path you're moving a long from say
dweeby/loser/shy.......................normal....cool/player(in your own eyes)...............focussed about the game and high scores.......freak/obsessed/going to try and make a living out of this (some started here I presume).
and I hate to repeat myself but recording stuff in public, you've reached the advanced areas on said scale. I don't like that.
Nothing wrong with learning PUA - it's just that squattingcassanova is so bad at it it's like watching a noob playing Starcraft and making a million mistakes. Check out youtube.com/simplepickup for some decent recordings that aren't filled with awkwardness and retardation.
I have nothing to do with the PUA community and know nothing about picking up girls, but those guys are pretty cool. They're the ones who did the Starcraft 2 pickups, too.
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On January 06 2012 18:10 SeXyBaCk wrote:
A few points that come to my mind right now are:if you practice this game or art (or pastime/way of life) you've come to the conclusion that you yourself, as you are, or were (maybe shy or not good interacting in social gatherings, ... all that stuff) do not consider yourself good or likeable enough and need help, or fixing. I find this significant. While trying to lose weight or shaping up or trying to manage your anger are widely considered positive I'm not sure if trying to change the way you are in conversation has the same positive ring to it. I believe people in character are more or less set, a result a combination of genetics and upbringing. Behaviours can be influenced and changed over time but not someones character.
Basically the way the PUA community perceives it is the way we intereact with each other is behaviour not character.That allows the conclusion or notion that everything within that setting can be controlled even manipulated (within statistical bounderies). That's the philosophy you're committing to. A. I pretty much suck and dislike myself. and B. I'm going to trying and fix myself, and do it while using my head, and some sort of cognitive effort, a structured learning experience.As long as you're aware of and happy to live with these two truths, more power to you.I'm not sure if this can sabotage your sense of self worth in the long run, it i see potential for this, but it might not. Would be a bummer if it did, ultimately sabotaging your efforts, maybe someone experienced can comment on this.
Behaviors are what define a persons character; if their behavior can be changed, then so can their character.
Also, the good PUA community realizes that only they are in control of themselves, and not the external environment. I'd research some more on the subject before you sprout these accusations in such a sweeping matter, esp. based on only a single person in this thread.
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On January 06 2012 23:09 Catch wrote:
Behaviors are what define a persons character; if their behavior can be changed, then so can their character.
Also, the good PUA community realizes that only they are in control of themselves, and not the external environment. I'd research some more on the subject before you sprout these accusations in such a sweeping matter, esp. based on only a single person in this thread.
It wasn't my intention to criticise or accuse anyone here. I was giving my (rather uninformed opinion) on this ... let's call it a lifestyle. I don't recall the details but I do recall the latest... philosophy is about controlling yourself and your own positivity/mood to get the desired effect with girls. Basically that is moving away completely from what can be taught as in behaviours or patterns/lines/moves to just a general lifestyle or attitude. Which makes a lot more sense to me, but I struggle to see how PUAs can continue to coach and give classes on this. How the business side of this can be maintained, and I don't think anyone should be fooled here, this is a business. People make a living with giving these seminars and selling videos and books. Remember Tom Cruise on Magnolia? To me it looks like the whole movement is going in a new age, or buddhist-like direction and away from the I can teach you 10 ways to get a girls number in 10 minutes.
I think if you a positive person in a good mood feeling good about yourself you will appear a lot more approachable and interesting, not only to women but people in general. We all should work on our attitude. Attitude is everything.Towards our work or education, our lovelife, our families and friends. It's so self explicatory no? I don't see why you need to pay someone to make a conscious effort to make your attitude and outlook on life more positive. Since to me it feels entirely internal. I actually see an ethical conflict here, in terms of the spirit of helping other guys get girls and running a business of sorts. Ok..what am i talking about, I'm a physician and charge money while supposedly helping people. One doesn't exclude the other, but then again I am liable if I screw up, while I doubt some dating coach is liable if I don't get laid within 30 days of taking the class right? Doctors and lawyers justify their reimbursement (for what should be a service to humanity) by being morally and legally accountable. Not looking to get caught up with professional ethics here though. But there is that ethical rule that when you sell help, you're obliged to the best, or at least your best. And the whole thing is heavily regulated and quality controlled.
I now have the youtube channel running in the background you mentioned. I don't know... I've only dated one american girl, my current gf but ... so I'm not that familiar with american culture but the girls in this video really seem they're being pushed, it's not natural. If you are really suprising and pushing you can get people do a lot of things you want them to do. This used in law inforcement often. Or in extreme situations. Giving orders is often much more effective that requesting someone to do something. But are these women going to consider this whole experience a good time in retrospect? They're all like oh oh..what oh... ok...wow this guy is too much he's steamrolling me. You can get really pushy and maybe get to make out or get laid, but I doubt you'll find that special connection or even go down as a positive memory for the woman by being bam bam bam intense. Women don't decide without seconds if they like you and want to sleep with you. Just writing this I think I've found one of the main problem the (at least old) pickup community might have. The guys are kinda geeky and academical right? You're making a cognitive effort, analysing collecting data, this suggest they're not airheads. The target girls always seem rather giggly and ditsy. Maybe it's the alcohol. I know for sure the last 3 girls I've dated would just stand and stare at some guy who comes up to talks to them like a waterfall without an introduction or an obvious reason why they approached. So even if you successfully hook up, it looks to me as if there will be a discrepancy between the guys intellect and the girls. And where can that go? Again, I'm assuming you're looking for a mate rather than a lay. My advice is don't become way too much of a smoothtalker, it's not natural. Women expect men to be flustered at times and nervous. They enjoy making you nervous.
Guess I'm still doubtful while surveying the supposed evidence. Though, I mean, if some guy is really...shy and has zero experience with girls, as in stutter mutter before spilling his drink and he goes to a class and gets taught to at least go up to girls and make them laugh a little, that's probably a long way to go for that guy, and sets him on his way to be more social in future, then who am I to be doubting the entire movement.
I see potential for pickup'ing to be helpful to some, but also see potential when taken too far can alienate you from the real world around you.
The whole bahaviour character debate is a philosophical one and too far fetching i feel for this forum. Why do we lock people up in prison for life if they can simply be fixed in a matter of a few months? Actually with that established, our society doesn't believe even behaviours can be effectively changed, no?
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Great, we got a guy who doesn't understand American culture analyzing my sets. Lawls. If you are going to call me a creep, send me the link of the specific video and tell me which sentence or time point was inappropriate and how you would have said it better.
Example: Hey in this video ______, at 3:20. You called her friend a fatty, and her friend got mad at you and pulled her away, leaving you by yourself. Instead you should have said "hey, your friend is cool".
Thats more helpful.
Otherwise your vague generalities mean nothing to me.
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