EPTI mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?"
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
I mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?" | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On January 01 2012 06:53 heroyi wrote: just out of curiosity what do you guys talk about when you meet the girl I mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?" Talk about whatever you like. But more often than not, ask questions about her and listen. Don't have Asperger's and constantly talk about yourself. Then when she says something cool or that you find interesting, compliment her sincerely. Be interested in what she has to say, not to mention be attentive. Don't be in your head, thinking about the next suave thing to say. Say what's on your mind. Eye contact is key also. Those are basics. Conversation can be about hobbies--what you like to do and what not. Don't have hobbies besides games? Get some. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On January 01 2012 06:53 heroyi wrote: just out of curiosity what do you guys talk about when you meet the girl I mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?" Go with the flow, get her interested, gain her trust, and then go on from there. A lot of people say that PUA are jackasses that only care about getting laid. I'd say its more of building up your social circle. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On January 01 2012 06:42 Catch wrote: Agreed somewhat. Gotta have somewhere to talk about it though. I failed last night with a girl I was attracted to. It just was a downward spiral, even though I think she was trying to make herself available. I agree. You have a point, but when I read stuff like, "Oh girls have logic, but a DIFFERENT kind of logic..blah blah" I think it's as pointless as theorycrafting in Starcraft. It's not practical and as simple as just going up to a girl and telling her she's cute. I didn't tell her she's cute based on overanalyzing how her thought process works. I do it because that's what I think. I could give a fuck how she thinks. Don't worry man. Those failures are a dime a dozen to me. I say the stupidest shit ever, and even at times lack the confidence to tell her stuff that would make her panties wet, but whatever. You live and learn. Like Starcraft 2, you actually play the game, lose, and learn from mistakes. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On January 01 2012 07:29 matiK23 wrote: I agree. You have a point, but when I read stuff like, "Oh girls have logic, but a DIFFERENT kind of logic..blah blah" I think it's as pointless as theorycrafting in Starcraft. It's not practical and as simple as just going up to a girl and telling her she's cute. I didn't tell her she's cute based on overanalyzing how her thought process works. I do it because that's what I think. I could give a fuck how she thinks. Don't worry man. Those failures are a dime a dozen to me. I say the stupidest shit ever, and even at times lack the confidence to tell her stuff that would make her panties wet, but whatever. You live and learn. Like Starcraft 2, you actually play the game, lose, and learn from mistakes. Likewise if you educate yourself beforehand you'll be a lot better when you first start playing. Meaning you'll fail less. In fact, you might still pick up valuable things (be it through discussion or watching or what have you) that you wouldn't have thought about on your own, in practice or in theory. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On January 01 2012 07:29 matiK23 wrote: I agree. You have a point, but when I read stuff like, "Oh girls have logic, but a DIFFERENT kind of logic..blah blah" I think it's as pointless as theorycrafting in Starcraft. It's not practical and as simple as just going up to a girl and telling her she's cute. I didn't tell her she's cute based on overanalyzing how her thought process works. I do it because that's what I think. I could give a fuck how she thinks. Don't worry man. Those failures are a dime a dozen to me. I say the stupidest shit ever, and even at times lack the confidence to tell her stuff that would make her panties wet, but whatever. You live and learn. Like Starcraft 2, you actually play the game, lose, and learn from mistakes. I agree completely. I think going up to a chick and saying "Hi, I'm X and I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you" is way better than practically every other opener out there, essentially because of the reason you stated in your last sentence. If you didn't care what she thought, you wouldn't spend five minutes coming up with a way to talk to her than a simple I find you attractive and I want to get to know you better. But if you were referring to my post, I still stand by what I said :D Women are more emotionally driven than men (not that men aren't emotional, as somebody tried to say I said). And yeah. I know. I guess it was just my first real failure. Like you said though, you live and learn. I've learned a lot about myself in this one... interaction, if you want to call it that, so it wasn't a waste. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On January 01 2012 08:04 Catch wrote: I agree completely. I think going up to a chick and saying "Hi, I'm X and I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you" is way better than practically every other opener out there, essentially because of the reason you stated in your last sentence. If you didn't care what she thought, you wouldn't spend five minutes coming up with a way to talk to her than a simple I find you attractive and I want to get to know you better. But if you were referring to my post, I still stand by what I said :D Women are more emotionally driven than men (not that men aren't emotional, as somebody tried to say I said). And yeah. I know. I guess it was just my first real failure. Like you said though, you live and learn. I've learned a lot about myself in this one... interaction, if you want to call it that, so it wasn't a waste. Damn you guys. Just gotta throw this quote in here again from like 2 pages ago 'cause I'm assuming this is more what catch tries to say with the above statement: This is part of the reason why meeting women can be stressful and frustrating for men. Our brains are configured to accomplish a series of logically-connected tasks to reach a goal. Say you’re setting up a campsite with some friends. Your overall goal is to survive the night in some comfort. You know that to survive in comfort, you need to build a tent, start a fire, and so on. And for each objective, you can learn the steps required to make it happen. Most men are intellectually comfortable in this sort of situation. Succeeding with women is more complicated because meeting women is an interactive process, and people’s personalities are unique, complex, and variable. In contrast, your campsite doesn’t care how you build a fire. You don’t have to be subtle or worry about embarrassing it in front of its friends. Matches don’t go in and out of emotional states where they sometimes want to be lit and sometimes they want to go home. (Savoy - Magic Bullets) ...sounds better? :> | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On January 01 2012 08:04 Catch wrote: I agree completely. I think going up to a chick and saying "Hi, I'm X and I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you" is way better than practically every other opener out there, essentially because of the reason you stated in your last sentence. If you didn't care what she thought, you wouldn't spend five minutes coming up with a way to talk to her than a simple I find you attractive and I want to get to know you better. But if you were referring to my post, I still stand by what I said :D Women are more emotionally driven than men (not that men aren't emotional, as somebody tried to say I said). And yeah. I know. I guess it was just my first real failure. Like you said though, you live and learn. I've learned a lot about myself in this one... interaction, if you want to call it that, so it wasn't a waste. this opener never works with really hot chicks (or almost never) | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
Enough to break the ice. Hi, my name is X ^^sexy opener? And I just want to say that yes females tend to be more emotionally driven then guys. Its biology :p | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On January 01 2012 07:29 matiK23 wrote: I agree. You have a point, but when I read stuff like, "Oh girls have logic, but a DIFFERENT kind of logic..blah blah" I think it's as pointless as theorycrafting in Starcraft. It's not practical and as simple as just going up to a girl and telling her she's cute. I didn't tell her she's cute based on overanalyzing how her thought process works. I do it because that's what I think. I could give a fuck how she thinks. Don't worry man. Those failures are a dime a dozen to me. I say the stupidest shit ever, and even at times lack the confidence to tell her stuff that would make her panties wet, but whatever. You live and learn. Like Starcraft 2, you actually play the game, lose, and learn from mistakes. I wasn't offering advice on how to pick up girls by talking about how they think. Knowing how girls think isn't going to help you. Guys don't want to understand girls, they don't need to. They just need to know how to pick them up. Yes, it was purely a theoretical conversation. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On January 01 2012 06:53 heroyi wrote: just out of curiosity what do you guys talk about when you meet the girl I mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?" It's usually pretty random. You can talk about anything as long as the energy is there. Whatever you want to talk about. Last girl, the conversation went on lots of different tangents. We talked about alpha males, we talked about skyrim (pretty much everything people would tell you not to talk about). It really doesn't matter, as long as you don't talk about anything directly sexual (comes off as creepy). Indirectly sexual is okay, be subtle. What's really more important than what you talk about, imo, is the sorts of behavior you exhibit. Like, do you know how to flirt? Push/pull, teasing, it's all a game. Show interest without seeming needy. Are you having a good time regardless or are you completely validated by her attention? Also, kino helps. A lot. Having interesting conversations can take practice. But some general tips: Variety. Say something about yourself. Then tease her. Then ask her a question. Then relate to her experience. Just an example. Biggest mistake a lot of people make in conversations is they keep asking questions over and over, or they keep talking about themselves over and over. You have to mix it up. Conversations are organic things, and it's not hard to kill them. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On January 01 2012 08:04 Catch wrote: I agree completely. I think going up to a chick and saying "Hi, I'm X and I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you" is way better than practically every other opener out there, essentially because of the reason you stated in your last sentence. If you didn't care what she thought, you wouldn't spend five minutes coming up with a way to talk to her than a simple I find you attractive and I want to get to know you better. But if you were referring to my post, I still stand by what I said :D Women are more emotionally driven than men (not that men aren't emotional, as somebody tried to say I said). And yeah. I know. I guess it was just my first real failure. Like you said though, you live and learn. I've learned a lot about myself in this one... interaction, if you want to call it that, so it wasn't a waste. I'm confused :S. Why do you stand by something even girls will admit to be true? What you said is absolute biological and social truth and anyone who thinks otherwise has never had female friends or has had the best luck in the world in meeting women. It's just a fact that females are naturally (and I'd also say socially influenced on top of that) quite more emotional than males. Well, I'll talk a bit about girls' emotions from what I've observed. With female friends/acquaintances, you typically don't see so much of it. However, when you really get to know them, they get a lot more emotionally 'honest' with you. I used to have a fair number in the latter circle and just the constant emotions and drama was getting to be really, really annoying  . Being extremely busy in high school and in my first year of univ., I had to cut ties with most of them. Call me mean, but if I didn't, listening to drama and problems would have been a full-time job. :| It wasn't only very time consuming, but it was hurting me otherwise and giving me too many unnecessary worries and concerns. My life since has been a lot better now in practically every way, as ironic as that may sound.Meeting girls with the intent of a relationship, short-term usually, you do see a bit. If one is into the PU stuff and short-term relationships, your main concern is just going to be appealing to their immediate emotions, at least in my experience. Someone stated this earlier, but you can talk to a girl about whatever and she'll be fine with it. You know why that is? She's interested. Her emotions are fine. If they weren't and if she wasn't interested, the guy would get told off in a heartbeat for talking about nerdy video games like Skyrim rofl (as much as I love Skyrim and some other games, I will never ever talk to a female stranger about it just to be cautious; hell I've never even told my gf about it lol :S ). That's why looking good and being enthusiastic is so important, to get them interested. Anyways, I'm not really into pick-up and probably won't be until I finish univ. and can get my own place and a bit of money, so don't necessarily take this paragraph too seriously as I'm not experienced at all with pick-up. However, I'm mostly into long-term relationships, as it's a lot more convenient, can give you a really good friend, and you can have sex often if you want without having to really go out of your way. However, since we're on the topic of emotions, I'll say where you will really see a girl's emotions hehehe. I've mainly been into longer-term relationships in my life, so I'll speak a bit on that, even if this thread seems to be mainly about "meet a random girl, fuck her, and usually leave it at that". I'm more into the "meet girls out of some convenience, make friends, and if one of them seems like she'd make a decent girlfriend, go after her". Now, when in you're in a real relationship for at least a couple months, you start seeing all sorts of crazy shit. The girlfriend can spontaneously change attitude and refuse to speak to you for a couple days or even a couple weeks, when the day before everything was perfectly fine and you went on a date and she was the happiest person you've seen. She'll be really happy and calm one minute, and 30 minutes later she can become some raging monstrosity if the slightest negative thing occurs. And lots more, and I'm not even talking when they're on their period :S. I won't lie, this emotional instability can get to be really, really annoying, at least for me. Btw, I've almost always dated calmer, more rational girls, so I can't imagine how a longer relationship with crazy girls is. The couple I've had didn't last long rofl xp. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
idk if they genuinely believe it for some reason or if they are pulling a white knight card | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On January 01 2012 06:53 heroyi wrote: just out of curiosity what do you guys talk about when you meet the girl I mean I am pretty sure its not sip two times, talk about some recent event, and then go off and say "hey lets have sex, do you have a place?" Thats pretty much what I say: http://www.youtube.com/squattincassanova | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
 To be honest, I'm not necessarily interested in PU as much as I am having an awesome social life. Pick up is a good way to lead to an awesome social life though, so they go hand in hand for me. This is kind of a recap on a few things I learned tonight. On a good note, I went out feeling a little shitty after about last night. Now I feel calm and collected and happy again. I'm generally way too positive to stay bummed, but last night did get me down. So anyway, I'm sitting talking to one of a female friend that I've known awhile about the topic mentioned in the first paragraph (friends). Eventually we're joined by another chick. We somehow get to how it sucks being a dude sometimes, because you have to make all the moves. The second girl said something that might stick with me for awhile. "Grow some fucking balls and just do it." lol. This wasn't really pointed at me (we've hooked up before), but damn. She's right. Side note epiphany. I tend to make sexual jokes and slide up next to em and put my arm around their waist. But I'll let go (not that I'm scared, I just do). Don't fucking do this. I'm a pretty funny guy (in person ), so this happens very naturally for me. Well, hell yeah! No theorycrafting here.I don't know why it had an impact on me, but maybe because it was A) The first time I've heard a girl say it. B) Heard it in person and not a fucking computer screen. Thought I'd share. Another quote that I really liked today from the show Mad Men: "Fear lies in anticipation" So true. We fear the anticipation of approaching a chick, not the actual act. We fear what to say next, because we might fuck things up. We fear an upcoming test, not while we're taking it. We fear the grade we might receive (if it's bad ). Finally. I had an awesome turn around today. I was chilling in a room with four or five ladies just having a conversation. Earlier I told one of the chicks (we'll call her peggy) that was currently in the room, whom I'm not interested in, what I look for in a girl (it got brought up). I found one chick particularly cute, so I leaned over to Peggy and said that that's what I meant by spontaneous, and yes I think she's cute, she's too drunk for me to make a move. Someone said something like "Did you just say you would hook up with her" and the cute woman said "Yep, I heard it!" (She was kidding, she had no idea). To which I responded no, I didn't. But I will. Or something to that extent. Laughs all around. Sorry for the scattered thoughts, and the personal story at the bottom. I had to write this stuff down :D | ||
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TheKwas
Iceland372 Posts
On December 31 2011 11:55 Xiphos wrote: . During high school, not one dude cried the morning after intercourse. And just by looking at the women around after an one night stand, they all had red eyes (signs of lamentation). Women are way more emotional invested than men. They feel that the one night stand must have more meaning than just a simple fling. Wait what? Your one night stands cry in the morning? Is this normal for other guys? I have honestly never experienced this. I can only imagine that if she cries in the morning, you're probably doing it wrong and literally took advantage of her in some way. | ||
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xavra41
United States220 Posts
You also seem to usually start with the first method (if i hear another joke about asians/race im gunna puke) then as time goes on you become more of a natural. I would just confidently approach and say i was interested in her ( not about looks if she is pretty cuz its played out). and let her talk about her passions. Everybody likes to be truly listened to and more importantly you can find out if you have good genuine chemistry with her. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On January 01 2012 18:21 TheKwas wrote: Wait what? Your one night stands cry in the morning? Is this normal for other guys? I have honestly never experienced this. I can only imagine that if she cries in the morning, you're probably doing it wrong and literally took advantage of her in some way. ...... I said guys don't cry in the morning but women do. This scenerio mostly occurs after a night of partying, when two parties would be completely drunk. Afterward, guys would be like "Fuck yeah I just got laid!" while girls would actually feel regrets. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On January 02 2012 02:57 Xiphos wrote: ...... I said guys don't cry in the morning but women do. This scenerio mostly occurs after a night of partying, when two parties would be completely drunk. Afterward, guys would be like "Fuck yeah I just got laid!" while girls would actually feel regrets. You just took your personal experience and made it a unversal human law. I've heard many stories of men regretting it too, although they don't accept the fact they feel bad because they're supposed to be happy. I heard many stories of happy girls too. Different cities, different countries, different people, etc, etc. The most common fallacy being the highlight of western habits, which concern ~1 billion people, and forgetting about the 6 billions left. That is, what you fantasize as "western habits". Edit: but to be clear, I do feel that men are more emotionally repressed in many cultures. | ||
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vetinari
Australia602 Posts
On the other hand, I kind of doubt that you heard stories of men weeping to the point of dehydration after a ONS. | ||
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