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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:13 Avan wrote: Really? Are there people who think Idra is a good player? Really? Yeah, all the people he beat are bad like select, puma, bomber, huk, etc all horrible players, just absolutely horrible. Right? | ||
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Bounana
Canada54 Posts
 Stephano ? I'm pretty sure he's aheahd of MorroW or DIMAGA | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:28 Bounana wrote: I'm pretty sure someone already told this but, where's Stephano ? I'm pretty sure he's aheahd of MorroW or DIMAGAThe original pole was before stephano really played in any tournamnets. But I do think the new one should have him, even though I still don't see any way that the answer to "who is the zerg king" can be anything but nestea. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Still like morrow and dimaga more though. Must have been good for idra that someone discovered again that mutas work in pvz, he is pretty good with them :p, should train other units as well though. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:52 Big J wrote: this is kind of useless, because that's not a poll question, as there is 1right and a ton of wrong answers... The throne is empty... | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:08 KimJongChill wrote: I can't believe this was reopened. This is like saying MVP isn't terran king. No, it is agreed upon that Nestea is King, no doubt. We are fighting about best foreigner. Idra or Stephano?!?!?! Some say Sen, but we haven't seen eneough from him recently imo | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
As for foreigner king? Now that I could see a vote for. It's easily between Idra, Stephano and maybe Sen | ||
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:10 Aocowns wrote: No, it is agreed upon that Nestea is King, no doubt. We are fighting about best foreigner. Idra or Stephano?!?!?! Some say Sen, but we haven't seen eneough from him recently imo In case of best foreigner that is Huk. You are right on sen that lack of international tournament appearances really hurt him. We have to wait to see how he does in wcg and nasl. I think he qualified for the nasl final since he finished top two. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:19 lazyfeet wrote: In case of best foreigner that is Huk. You are right on sen that lack of international tournament appearances really hurt him. We have to wait to see how he does in wcg and nasl. I think he qualified for the nasl final since he finished top two. Sorry, I meant foreigner ZERG. Yeah, Huk is the best foreigner | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:22 Scisyhp wrote: Yeah, all the people he beat are bad like select, puma, bomber, huk, etc all horrible players, just absolutely horrible. Right? You can go through the TLPD and do this exact dumb strawman argument with any top player.. and you can also do the opposite for IdrA, as in why does he drop series to people like Livezerg. Even out of the players you chose, Huk and Select lose plenty of series to other foreigners it's not wins unique to IdrA. Don't over-exaggerate the importance of winning a few BO3's against Koreans, it's not that unheard of (Gatored anyone?), they are susceptible to the volatileness of the game as much as anyone. Not to mention the foreign tournaments are done in a completely different format, quite different from preparing for a GSL series. IdrA fans just seem to ignore results as they see fit; as i said in the most obvious way to compare players is by head-to-head results and he's behind against Nerchio, Sen and Morrow and hasn't played Dimaga or Stephano - all 5 of which are ahead of him in ELO. That's probably just an oddity, and i wouldn't use it as justification for them being superior. But until IdrA is actually anymore consistent than any of these other guys then he's objectively not better. If you are deciding he's based solely on the gameplay, i would suggest some more thought on the matter. A few games i've seen where IdrA gains a nice advantage and almost lets players back into the game by sticking to his 'macro game'. I think it's bizzare how IdrA has kept his Korean training mentality to this day; that mentality is for B-teamers to improve their overall play. The same safe build every game is not what A-teamers do and it would be detrimental to do so like it's detrimental for IdrA. Yet loads of people seem to have picked up this from him and treat it like it's better. Being strategically stubborn and totally responsive in nature will get worse and worse as time goes on. | ||
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xlava
United States676 Posts
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
The whole IdrA vs Stephano debate - I don't think you can fairly judge that either, I want to see both of them in Korea before saying anything definite. But if you look at both their TLPD records for October 1st to 31st, the last full month, you'll see IdrA with 39-27 (59.09%) and Stephano at 39-13 (75.00%) so, at the moment, I'd give Stephano an edge, due to consistency. But that's only at the moment. And it's comparing them related to other players, not to each other. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:37 infinity2k9 wrote: You can go through the TLPD and do this exact dumb strawman argument with any top player.. and you can also do the opposite for IdrA, as in why does he drop series to people like Livezerg. Even out of the players you chose, Huk and Select lose plenty of series to other foreigners it's not wins unique to IdrA. Don't over-exaggerate the importance of winning a few BO3's against Koreans, it's not that unheard of (Gatored anyone?), they are susceptible to the volatileness of the game as much as anyone. Not to mention the foreign tournaments are done in a completely different format, quite different from preparing for a GSL series. IdrA fans just seem to ignore results as they see fit; as i said in the most obvious way to compare players is by head-to-head results and he's behind against Nerchio, Sen and Morrow and hasn't played Dimaga or Stephano - all 5 of which are ahead of him in ELO. That's probably just an oddity, and i wouldn't use it as justification for them being superior. But until IdrA is actually anymore consistent than any of these other guys then he's objectively not better. If you take a second and think, completely unbiased at each persons play, and not at how good he did a month ago when the metagamefavoured someone else, or before that when the metagame favoured another one, you see that Idra is better overall than Nerchio, Dimaga and Morrow. There are 2 contenders for the best foreign Zerg, and that is Idra and Stephano. Sen needs to appear more in tournaments. Ignoring results as they see fit is not a phenomenon restricted to Idra fanboys... Both Stephano fanboys and Huk fanboys alike do it sometimes. The game is too volatile, and the metagame too shifting to give someone really consistent results. After Idra's ''Return to grace'' after IEM, he has been more consistent than any foreign Zerg except Stephano, and they both have played barely one top Korean each. Idra barely lost to MKP, and won against Bomber. Stephano won against MKP, and haven't played any others. Then Stephano lost to StC and Boxer at MLG, and Idra lost to LiveZerg at ESWC. | ||
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Pred8oar
Germany281 Posts
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arfyron
518 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:37 infinity2k9 wrote: as i said in the most obvious way to compare players is by head-to-head results That doesn't make any sense. Is elfi better than huk because he beat him in a PvP? All that shows is who has the better mirror match up. | ||
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