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On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone?
DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans.
He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp.
So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king.
SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time.
I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran.
IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT)
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On November 07 2011 00:39 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 00:36 xi Tempest x wrote:On November 07 2011 00:33 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 00:29 Silidons wrote:On November 07 2011 00:25 Fusilero wrote:On November 07 2011 00:22 Silidons wrote:On November 07 2011 00:02 Vond wrote:On November 06 2011 17:01 hunts wrote:On November 06 2011 16:05 Silv.user wrote:
ehm. why not option not on list etc? Stephano beats all here except Nestea. stephano doesnt have anywhere near the results of idra or sen, and he's not as good as either one of them to be prefectly honest :/ Huh? Stephano has excellent results lately, won big tournaments, beat lots of Code S players (including current Code S champion). I can't really say if he's better than Idra or Sen since I feel they're all quite even. NesTea is ofcoure undisputed #1 however. No point in arguing that. IPL3 is a big tournament ONLY for foreigners. Not koreans. Please list off the "lots of Code S players" and when did he beat MMA? He did beat MMA during the online qualifiers but not at a LAN. Bo? 1? What server did they play on? They played a BO3 with MMA having server lag and a weird timezone. Stephano has not won againt any gerat Code S playersd as of yet.(Unless I am forgetting someone) 2-0'd Huk, beat MKP twice i believe When did he beat MKP? D: That's awesome. But Huk has had varying results recently. Amazing at MLG, then totally shit at ASUS ROG for example. Still a 2-0 over Huk is impressive
When i read all this Korean bias about Code S material....
I start to wonder if you'd even begin to consider MVP code S material if he was from .... "spain".
EDIT: Quoting whole discussion, not just that single post.
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On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT)
It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg.
Idra's ZvP is terrible though.
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On November 06 2011 23:57 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 17:25 Gotmog wrote:On November 06 2011 16:54 kofman wrote:On November 06 2011 15:59 Gotmog wrote:On November 06 2011 15:41 rysecake wrote:On November 06 2011 15:36 Gotmog wrote:
To me, Zerg King would have to be more then just the best player.
So i am putting Idra out there. Best mechanically, the most famous, most outspoken, in touch with community non stop, consistent results (even during his long slump).
However, I'd consider Nestea, DRG better then him. (and Losira/Sen/Stephano closer to him, can't call it right now). Many of these don't even make sense. Best mechanically? No. There are korean zergs with better mechanics. Most famous? No I'd say Nestea is more famous. Most outspoken? Yes he has his way with words. Consistent results? No. In touch with the community non-stop? Depends in what way... Its not my fault your opinion is wrong  idra fanboys are sooo annoying... hes not anywhere close to being as good as the top koreans. Thats why you have this poll. I am an unreasonably fanatical IdrA-loving moron. (561)
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I am a retardedly biased Idra-hating dumbass. (376)
40%You have to pick one. Claiming that he is not anywhere near top koreans is ... silly. Yea he is good but till he proofs himself in the GSL again i don't think you can claim stuff based on other experiences It doesn't matter if you can stomp foreigners/ code A. The real challenges are in code S, the best of the best where you claim idra is in. Let's wait till he comes back to korea (which is soon anyway) before saying he is close to top koreans.
Actually the best of the best as you call them Bomber/MMA/MVP/DRG/Nestea are visiting foreign events now. So anyone can go ahead and prove themselves vs them.
Other players from Code S are not above TOP foreigners.
There is no need to demand something like moving to different country just so a random TL joe can call you "good".
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On November 07 2011 03:30 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone? DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT) It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg. Idra's ZvP is terrible though.
Stephano was the best european ZvT for a VERY long time.
His worst match-up was ZvZ, but he improved a lot on it and has more time to focus on sc2 so he has become even greater.
Bomber loses TvZ to Moon and the likes with his weird style, beating him doesn't make you an amazing ZvT...
Thinking again about it yeah it's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT than any foreign zerg, he is much better than that.
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On November 07 2011 02:16 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 02:10 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 02:06 taoito wrote:Can't believe there are people who voted Idra as the Zerg King. He's unquestionably the NA Zerg King, but they need to be reminded that there exists other places outside than NA lol. These maybe very well the same people who think USA is the only country in the world  Maybe they vote him because he is top3 foreign zerg? Top5 foreign in general? It is silly to vote anything but Nestea as Zerg King as of now... At least in terms of skill Imo, it goes like this 1.- NesTea 2.- DRG 3.- Losira I don't think there's any way either Stephano or Idra can be placed top 3 overall right now. The rest would go on sth like this: 4.- CoCa 5.- Curious 6.- July 7.- Idra 8.- Sen 9.- Stephano 10.- DIMAGA Whether the foreigners listed can go in the top 5... I don't know, I find the korean zergs more solid overall, and the foreigners need to step into korea to prove themselves yet. Out of those listed, I think Stephano and DIMAGA have the biggest potential, but DIMAGA doesn't want to go to korea so I think his level won't rise too much. Then there's other korean zergs like BBongBBong, Line, JookTo, Seal, which are pretty difficult to rank considering how little we get to see them, but they've shown insane potential.
I can agree with your top 3 but I can't help but feel that you are missing Destiny in your top 10
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On November 07 2011 03:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:30 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone? DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT) It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg. Idra's ZvP is terrible though. Stephano was the best european ZvT for a VERY long time. His worst match-up was ZvZ, but he improved a lot on it and has more time to focus on sc2 so he has become even greater. Bomber loses TvZ to Moon and the likes with his weird style, beating him doesn't make you an amazing ZvT... Thinking again about it yeah it's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT than any foreign zerg, he is much better than that.
I mean, that's why Puma MKP and Rain(?) said Idra is one of the top ZvTs in the world... Didn't Stephano lose to Boxer in macro games at MLG? Didn't Stephano lose 2-0 against TheStC once StC made out his style after IPL? Stephano is one of the 3 contenders for top3 foreign Zerg, but to claim his ZvT is leagues above other foreigners, or even the best is ridicolous
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On November 07 2011 03:45 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 02:16 mordk wrote:On November 07 2011 02:10 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 02:06 taoito wrote:Can't believe there are people who voted Idra as the Zerg King. He's unquestionably the NA Zerg King, but they need to be reminded that there exists other places outside than NA lol. These maybe very well the same people who think USA is the only country in the world Maybe they vote him because he is top3 foreign zerg? Top5 foreign in general? It is silly to vote anything but Nestea as Zerg King as of now... At least in terms of skill Imo, it goes like this 1.- NesTea 2.- DRG 3.- Losira I don't think there's any way either Stephano or Idra can be placed top 3 overall right now. The rest would go on sth like this: 4.- CoCa 5.- Curious 6.- July 7.- Idra 8.- Sen 9.- Stephano 10.- DIMAGA Whether the foreigners listed can go in the top 5... I don't know, I find the korean zergs more solid overall, and the foreigners need to step into korea to prove themselves yet. Out of those listed, I think Stephano and DIMAGA have the biggest potential, but DIMAGA doesn't want to go to korea so I think his level won't rise too much. Then there's other korean zergs like BBongBBong, Line, JookTo, Seal, which are pretty difficult to rank considering how little we get to see them, but they've shown insane potential. I can agree with your top 3 but I can't help but feel that you are missing Destiny in your top 10
I really hope you're joking :/
Destiny has not shown any results thus far.
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I think there should be a bit more waiting between Stephano is added to the poll. We cant really say how far he will get as he becomes more exposed to other foreigners and Koreans. His style might be unique for now, but once its figured out it becomes a question as to how he will adapt to it and improve consistently as to not drop off.
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Idra and Stephano are the best foreign Zergs. Its hard to say who is the "better" Zerg, but i would give Stephano a slightly advantage above Idra.
Overall i would say Nestea. 3xGSL Gold and Blizzcon Silver is realy impressive.
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@ Azurea: Do you ever watched Stephanos stream? He's using many strats and reacts to the enemys style.
He isnt like Destiny, were you just need to handle the infestors and win. Stephano got many strats and styles.
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On November 07 2011 03:30 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone? DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT) It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg. Idra's ZvP is terrible though.
So by that logic.. Stephano beat MMA, who beat MVP, so stephano is better than the best terran in the world?
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this poll should only have 1 option, and that is nestea
OP feels like a troll adding other zergs on that poll tbh
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On November 07 2011 03:49 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:43 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 03:30 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone? DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT) It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg. Idra's ZvP is terrible though. Stephano was the best european ZvT for a VERY long time. His worst match-up was ZvZ, but he improved a lot on it and has more time to focus on sc2 so he has become even greater. Bomber loses TvZ to Moon and the likes with his weird style, beating him doesn't make you an amazing ZvT... Thinking again about it yeah it's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT than any foreign zerg, he is much better than that. I mean, that's why Puma MKP and Rain(?) said Idra is one of the top ZvTs in the world... Didn't Stephano lose to Boxer in macro games at MLG? Didn't Stephano lose 2-0 against TheStC once StC made out his style after IPL? Stephano is one of the 3 contenders for top3 foreign Zerg, but to claim his ZvT is leagues above other foreigners, or even the best is ridicolous
This. We won't really know who's better until they are both in Korea for a while.
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On November 07 2011 03:49 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:43 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 03:30 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:On November 07 2011 02:58 silentblob wrote:
errrrrrr DRG TvZ anyone? DongRaeGu has sadly for him, been figured out by a lot of terrans. He is still a beast but there are too many terrans who can beat him (MKP did it 4-1, Bomber did it but it was only one bo3 at MLG, SuperNova in GSL, he beat Mvp but eeh I dunno), whereas NesTea seem to scare MKP and Mvp. So the best ZvTer is hard to call but since NesTea is almost untouchable in ZvZ and ZvP, so even if there are a lot of terrans in code S, NesTea is the absolute zerg king. SEn is overrated imo (for foreigners), he lost to SarenS (french terran) and Stephano (pink power zerg) at Assembly, he did good at Blizzcon but there was ESWC I think at the same time. I'd say Stephano for the best foreign zerg, then IdrA who stepped it up especially against terran. IdrA doesn't seem good in ZvZ thus Stephano is better in every match-up or maybe equal in ZvT (I mean MKP > IdrA at MLG and Stephano > MKP at ESWC but there is no transitivity so it's hard to call, they both have amazing ZvT) It's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT with Idra because of one series that Idra lost because of one misjudgement... If you go by that logic, then Boxer>Stephano. IdrA>Boxer>Stephano. He won friggin macro games against Bomber. I'd say Idra's ZvT is much better than Stephano, and that Idra is close to the top Korean ZvT... Idra's ZvZ is hard to really chart out. We need more top level ZvZs, as the ony ones recently have been rolling Revival and a fluke loss to LiveZerg. Idra's ZvP is terrible though. Stephano was the best european ZvT for a VERY long time. His worst match-up was ZvZ, but he improved a lot on it and has more time to focus on sc2 so he has become even greater. Bomber loses TvZ to Moon and the likes with his weird style, beating him doesn't make you an amazing ZvT... Thinking again about it yeah it's silly to rate Stephano on same ZvT than any foreign zerg, he is much better than that. I mean, that's why Puma MKP and Rain(?) said Idra is one of the top ZvTs in the world... Didn't Stephano lose to Boxer in macro games at MLG? Didn't Stephano lose 2-0 against TheStC once StC made out his style after IPL? Stephano is one of the 3 contenders for top3 foreign Zerg, but to claim his ZvT is leagues above other foreigners, or even the best is ridicolous
It's not that he "made out" his style, it's just that Stephano had to go through the open bracket lol, he was too tired and didn't play to his usual level.
Plus BoxeR raped IdrA 3-1 after he beat Stephano but it was extended series ^_^.
MKP Puma and Rain didn't say that IdrA is one of the top ZvT in the world, MKP said that he doesn't like to play IdrA & NesTea. He probably doesn't like this style of zergs (greedy etc), PumA I don't remember which zerg he disliked to play against, and Rain didn't want to be against DRG.
Dunno ask european terrans how it is to play against Stephano, they know better than us I guess
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I think Stephano is the best in terms of talent and best foreigner over-all.
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stephano's zvt is not crappy or quirky it's because he is ahead of the curve. I don't think that he will start to play "standard" rather other players will imitate his style since it's been proven in many tournaments and vs koreans. that's my 2 cents.
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On November 07 2011 03:45 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 02:16 mordk wrote:On November 07 2011 02:10 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 02:06 taoito wrote:Can't believe there are people who voted Idra as the Zerg King. He's unquestionably the NA Zerg King, but they need to be reminded that there exists other places outside than NA lol. These maybe very well the same people who think USA is the only country in the world Maybe they vote him because he is top3 foreign zerg? Top5 foreign in general? It is silly to vote anything but Nestea as Zerg King as of now... At least in terms of skill Imo, it goes like this 1.- NesTea 2.- DRG 3.- Losira I don't think there's any way either Stephano or Idra can be placed top 3 overall right now. The rest would go on sth like this: 4.- CoCa 5.- Curious 6.- July 7.- Idra 8.- Sen 9.- Stephano 10.- DIMAGA Whether the foreigners listed can go in the top 5... I don't know, I find the korean zergs more solid overall, and the foreigners need to step into korea to prove themselves yet. Out of those listed, I think Stephano and DIMAGA have the biggest potential, but DIMAGA doesn't want to go to korea so I think his level won't rise too much. Then there's other korean zergs like BBongBBong, Line, JookTo, Seal, which are pretty difficult to rank considering how little we get to see them, but they've shown insane potential. I can agree with your top 3 but I can't help but feel that you are missing Destiny in your top 10
Troll?
Anyway I agree with the top 3 as well but I would put Idra ahead of Curious and July.
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On November 07 2011 04:08 Rayjin wrote:
Idra and Stephano are the best foreign Zergs. Its hard to say who is the "better" Zerg, but i would give Stephano a slightly advantage above Idra.
Overall i would say Nestea. 3xGSL Gold and Blizzcon Silver is realy impressive.
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@ Azurea: Do you ever watched Stephanos stream? He's using many strats and reacts to the enemys style.
He isnt like Destiny, were you just need to handle the infestors and win. Stephano got many strats and styles.
I understand that Stephano has a wide variety of strategies, but you cant deny that the more exposed his strategies become, it comes down to a point of refinement and solidarity in his play. I'm by no means degrading Stephano and his strats, all i am asking is if you think he can continue his run after he eventually runs out of new ideas?
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Stephano is incredibly good, but come on. I really feel like a lot of his victories come from the stylistic variation he has relative to other Zergs. Which is a huge compliment because it means he pioneered a new way to play. But overall, that doesn't make him the best foreign zerg, much less the best.
Nestea= Best
Idra/Dimaga= Best Foreigner
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On November 07 2011 02:16 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 02:10 Aocowns wrote:On November 07 2011 02:06 taoito wrote:Can't believe there are people who voted Idra as the Zerg King. He's unquestionably the NA Zerg King, but they need to be reminded that there exists other places outside than NA lol. These maybe very well the same people who think USA is the only country in the world Maybe they vote him because he is top3 foreign zerg? Top5 foreign in general? It is silly to vote anything but Nestea as Zerg King as of now... At least in terms of skill Imo, it goes like this 1.- NesTea 2.- DRG 3.- Losira I don't think there's any way either Stephano or Idra can be placed top 3 overall right now. The rest would go on sth like this: 4.- CoCa 5.- Curious 6.- July 7.- Idra 8.- Sen 9.- Stephano 10.- DIMAGA Whether the foreigners listed can go in the top 5... I don't know, I find the korean zergs more solid overall, and the foreigners need to step into korea to prove themselves yet. Out of those listed, I think Stephano and DIMAGA have the biggest potential, but DIMAGA doesn't want to go to korea so I think his level won't rise too much. Then there's other korean zergs like BBongBBong, Line, JookTo, Seal, which are pretty difficult to rank considering how little we get to see them, but they've shown insane potential.
July is not very good. Curious has nerve issues. As for Stephano and IdrA I will not rate them until they fight more Koreans, that being said Stephano certainly rates higher than Sen and July.
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