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tabbott26
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom379 Posts
November 07 2011 00:09 GMT
#1601
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
November 07 2011 00:11 GMT
#1602
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.


lol @ EU bias. You say Stephano is top 3 but you say Idra needs to prove himself in GSL. LOL.

Idra is just as good if not better than Stephano, ez.
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chaopow
Profile Joined March 2011
United States556 Posts
November 07 2011 00:11 GMT
#1603
On November 07 2011 08:57 battlegrub wrote:
I would put Idra below every zerg in Code S and Code A until he can prove otherwise, which he hasn't.

Good luck to him though.


IdrA has proved himself. With IEM, ASUS, and MLG hes looking like the absolute best foreigner zerg. At MLG he beat Bomber, Boxer twice, and Hongun. Stephano is good, but to be totally honest, he did not beat any top tier koreans in IPL. He lost to alive, and the only notable he beat was theSTC. He dodged MMA, Puma, and Ryung. I think Ret, Dimaga and Sen are all on the same level or possibly better than Stephano.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 07 2011 00:11 GMT
#1604
On November 07 2011 09:09 tabbott26 wrote:
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's

IdrA can hardly play ZvP, while NesTea remains a beast at ZvZ and ZvP. Why would you give IdrA an edge in ZvX for god's sake?
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 00:16:26
November 07 2011 00:12 GMT
#1605
On November 07 2011 09:09 tabbott26 wrote:
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's


Stephanos ZvP and ZvT is worlds ahead of Idra's, also Morrows ZvP is godlike.

Idra isn't the best foreigner Zerg.

Theres also quite alot of Koreans with better ZvX matchups than IdrA.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 00:23:34
November 07 2011 00:19 GMT
#1606
Stephano is not as good a muta-player as Idra, but besides that I give the upper hand to the frenchie. Crisp, innovative play with great macro and control. Impressive!

Oh, and Idra is probably the one who benefits from preparation against an opponent the most. He's a quick learner and is great at spotting weaknesses if he knows what he's up against.
Cosmology
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada360 Posts
November 07 2011 00:27 GMT
#1607
On November 07 2011 09:12 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:09 tabbott26 wrote:
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's


Stephanos ZvP and ZvT is worlds ahead of Idra's, also Morrows ZvP is godlike.

Idra isn't the best foreigner Zerg.

Theres also quite alot of Koreans with better ZvX matchups than IdrA.

Not sure if srs...

Name the notable Terrans Stephano has beaten in big tournaments.

Now name the ones IdrA has beaten.
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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
November 07 2011 00:28 GMT
#1608
On November 07 2011 09:12 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:09 tabbott26 wrote:
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's


Stephanos ZvP and ZvT is worlds ahead of Idra's, also Morrows ZvP is godlike.

Idra isn't the best foreigner Zerg.

Theres also quite alot of Koreans with better ZvX matchups than IdrA.


World's ahead is a huge exaggeration. Stephano's ZvP is probably stronger than idra's, as it seems to be idras weakest matchup. But I'm doubtful about the ZvT, I'd say idra's is a bit farther ahead. Though Stephano's is definitely very strong, not sure how their ZvZ's compare. I'd say morrow is far beneath both of them, as is obvious by his results.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
November 07 2011 00:35 GMT
#1609
So is the purpose of this thread just to call eachother idiots for not thinking the same way?
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John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
November 07 2011 00:35 GMT
#1610
Camwise Gamgee will always be number 1 in my heart.
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Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
November 07 2011 00:38 GMT
#1611
The Bong of The Zerg ofc, nestea hwaiting!
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InfWizard
Profile Joined October 2011
2 Posts
November 07 2011 00:40 GMT
#1612
NesTea is definitely the king. His previous match history is there to show it. I think if Idra can start getting control of his temper (It seems lately that he has greatly improved keeping his emotions down) he will just get better and better. Idra does have great mechanics, and if he can fix the emotions his play will definitely get better.

One reason NesTea is just so dang good is that he has incredible game sense. It is amazing to watch him play and see how he responds to stuff, it is extremely impressive.
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
November 07 2011 00:44 GMT
#1613
Showmatch between Idra and Stephano now please. Anyone can set up that event for us?
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
November 07 2011 00:51 GMT
#1614
How can anyone vote for anything other than Nestea? I would like legitimate reasons!!!
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chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
November 07 2011 00:54 GMT
#1615
On November 07 2011 09:09 tabbott26 wrote:
You need to update Nestea's accomplishments...

At the moment, in ZvX I would say Idra.

However, ZvZ remains Nestea's


Are you seriously trying to argue that IdrA, who has 59% winrate against protoss in foreign tournaments, has better zvp than nestea, who has 83% winrate against protoss in GSL?

And Idra doesn't have better zvt than nestea for god's sake. Only zerg with better zvt is DRG.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 00:57:30
November 07 2011 00:56 GMT
#1616
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.

How the hell is July below Stephano?
He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP.
NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that...
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
November 07 2011 00:58 GMT
#1617
On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.

How the hell is July below Stephano?
He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP.
NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that...


Well...the more ridiculous thing is he put losira behind stephano...just lol
S4KuR4
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France52 Posts
November 07 2011 01:01 GMT
#1618
On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.

How the hell is July below Stephano?
He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP.
NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that...


You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 07 2011 01:04 GMT
#1619
On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.

How the hell is July below Stephano?
He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP.
NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that...


You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P

Say that to every single person that yells Stephano then
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
November 07 2011 01:10 GMT
#1620
On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:
On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote:
Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.

July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first.

How the hell is July below Stephano?
He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP.
NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that...


You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P

Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet.
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