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On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet.
You must be trolling.
Stephano has been showing the best foreign results and skill that we haven't seen in a long time.
If you don't think he's top tier foreigner you are crazy.
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Can't really compare Korea to Foreignland, imo. Nestea obviously the Korean zerg king. Stephano or Sen for foreigners.
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On November 07 2011 10:12 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet. You must be trolling. Stephano has been showing the best foreign results and skill that we haven't seen in a long time. If you don't think he's top tier foreigner you are crazy.
I'll wait before I drink the Stephano kool-aide I think.
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On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet.
Yeah, winning more prize money in 2 weeks than any foreigner has won total is nothing. Stephano top tier? He must prove he's better than bronze first!
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Any vote other than Nestea is wrong. DRG is probably second, and after that maybe Idra.
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On November 07 2011 10:33 forsooth wrote: Any vote other than Nestea is wrong. DRG is probably second, and after that maybe Idra.
I'm an idra fan but I think losira july and coca go before him.
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On November 07 2011 10:30 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet. Yeah, winning more prize money in 2 weeks than any foreigner has won total is nothing. Stephano top tier? He must prove he's better than bronze first! Well this was clearly about the best of the world. Did you see that someone rated Stephano higher then both Losira and July? Because that was where the "he has to prove himself" was from.
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On November 07 2011 10:42 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:30 lololol wrote:On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet. Yeah, winning more prize money in 2 weeks than any foreigner has won total is nothing. Stephano top tier? He must prove he's better than bronze first! Well this was clearly about the best of the world. Did you see that someone rated Stephano higher then both Losira and July? Because that was where the "he has to prove himself" was from.
I think Stephano has at least better ZvZ and ZvP than July.
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On November 07 2011 10:17 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:12 Toppp wrote:On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet. You must be trolling. Stephano has been showing the best foreign results and skill that we haven't seen in a long time. If you don't think he's top tier foreigner you are crazy. I'll wait before I drink the Stephano kool-aide I think. I'm pretty sure everyone else drinking it is just trying to fool me into drinking, then laugh at me when it tastes awful. Jokes on them!
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On November 07 2011 10:30 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 10:10 John Madden wrote:On November 07 2011 10:01 S4KuR4 wrote:On November 07 2011 09:56 Assirra wrote:On November 07 2011 09:05 IMABUNNEH wrote: Top 3 are Nestea, Stephano and Losira.
July is not close anymore IMO. Idra has to prove it in GSL first. How the hell is July below Stephano? He got in a GSL final and was in the semifinals 2gsl's ago as the only non terran knocked out by MVP. NONE of Stephano's achievements come even close to that... You can't really compare two players' achievements while one player is totally new... We'll have to wait ;P Stephano is nowhere near top tier, he hs not proven himself yet. Yeah, winning more prize money in 2 weeks than any foreigner has won total is nothing. Stephano top tier? He must prove he's better than bronze first! Winning money isn't directly indicative of skill though; as said before he dodged basically all of the good koreans at IPL3 and the singular good player he played at ESWC was MKP who played some pretty awful builds. It would be easy to point out the 19th he got at this past MLG when he faced competition that was obviously tougher. He has some talent but he indeed still hasn't really proven himself on the big stage against top-tier players.
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Nestea, but Stephano should be on that list with his recent IPL and ESWC victories. Nestea must be considered as the legendary Zerg of 2011, and Stephano, along with DRG and LosirA as the upcommers.
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Ugh...come on guys. Stephano is new. He may indeed be the best foreign Zerg, but two months of play is NOT enough to cement that decision yet. Acting like saying anything other than "Stephano" is ridiculous is...well quite frankly ridiculous. He's good, very good, and has immense potential and based on his results he's top 3 foreign zergs ez pz. But that doesn't make him the best overall, not until we give it a bit of time.
As of now I really feel like (I know I'm gonna get anti-fans yelling at me) Idra is the only viable pick as of now. Not to say I'm ruling out Stephano, but for all we know it could be a hot streak.
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Can we honestly say that Anybody has immaculate ZvT? Must be the metagame or something but ZvT lately has been quite poor in the GSL.
Everyone raved how DRG was the top of this foodchain, but now I have doubts. Nestea constantly get thrashed by ZvT, most of the time holding by the skin of his teeth.
I have to say, I enjoy watching Leenock's ZvT best, his style would make any Terran be paranoid and scan like 800000 times...instead of making a damn raven.
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My current top 5:
1. Nestea 2. IdrA 3. DRG 4. Stephano 5. Sen
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would be nice if people stopped bumping old threads.
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On November 11 2011 20:09 Angelbelow wrote: My current top 5:
1. Nestea 2. IdrA 3. DRG 4. Stephano 5. Sen
That's exactly mine aswell, being the idra fanboy that I am.
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On November 11 2011 20:14 Elean wrote: would be nice if people stopped bumping old threads.
just because the thread is old doesn't mean the discussion is no longer relevant.
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I'm surprised this thread is still going strong. The fact that there is so much controversy about who's up there, especially around Stephano, already means that there's a number of people with similar results. We need more data, such as another couple of tournaments. And big ones...
And I'm especially wary of anyone propping up Stephano as the best, because he's so new to the scene. If one or two wins can cement your position, does Polt's GSL win make him the greatest terran? It was the greatest tournament, huge prize pool.. No, right? He's great, but it's not enough.
So, read the OP, and wait patiently for history to unfold.
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I'm quite surprised this is still being discussed as well. Among the three races currently, protoss is still up in the air, terran was shaky for awhile until MVP came roaring back, but zerg has had the clear best for the longest. It became grossly apparent to me that Nestea was top dog in the zerg domain around gsl January over fruitdealer as the skill and results displayed between the two widened greatly. Since then Nestea has never come close to losing his crown to any zerg.
Might want to rename the thead as Who is currently the Zerg Prince. Or perhaps best foreign zerg. Now that might spark some debate.
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