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Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
March 19 2011 22:43 GMT
#21
Live lan tournaments are different from playing at home. The KEY skill of handling pressure in front of a crowd at a live lan event is not showcased here, which is why these two events are not comparable.

As far as the overall level of play, it's too early to tell. I can, however, say that the GSL Team League in February showcased a much higher level of play than anything thus far, in either the GSL or TSL.
Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
March 19 2011 22:45 GMT
#22
On March 20 2011 07:41 deerpark87 wrote:
While i like both GSL and TSL, i prefer the GSL just because you play live to avoid issues of cheating, cross-server lags and dcs.


There were no obs in TSL games, it was casted via replay so there wasn't any cheating involved (unless either play used 3rd party software). But yeah there is cross-server lag and dc, as in the boxer game 1, which was unfortunate.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
March 19 2011 22:45 GMT
#23
This is like comparing apples and oranges. It doesnt make sense at all. GSL has been on for 5 seasons, TSL is just starting today (not counting the first 2 since they were SC1.) The format of the tournament is different as well as the setting. Maybe after the TSL is over we can make some sort of comparison but it makes little sense at this point.
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Jonstah
Profile Joined July 2010
79 Posts
March 19 2011 22:46 GMT
#24
Although the TSL production + stream quality was much higher, the games themself have not being as fun to watch (skill-wise) compared to the GSL so far, most of the games today seemed pretty one-sided. The live studio really gets you pumped for the GSL games, even if it's Code A. That's something the TSL really lacked.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 19 2011 22:47 GMT
#25
It really comes down to the individual games. GSL has produced some of the best games of SC2 yet played. TSL has the potential to show the best games between the best players in the world, not just in Korea.

Sure the last GSL finals were disappointing, but that was expected considering that July's ZvP was definitely not up to snuff to MC's style, and July was absolutely clueless against MC's 6 warpgate sentry timing attack. A mismatch of skill levels and an unsolved abusive build all contributed to an expected roflstomp, but it's not truly representative of the GSL as a whole. We still got tight games between SanZenith and everyone else not named MC. Nada vs July was absolutely intense. MKP pulled off one of the most immaculate mass factory pushes against Kyrix. GSL is still awesome, but you just need to look for the proper games to watch, not just the roflstomps.

TSL should be an absolutely amazing tournament, especially considering the lineup in the brackets. We have the best of the Korean scene, the best of the non-Korean scene, former BW legends, and ominous upcoming unknowns all battling it out in what could possibly be the best international tournament yet. Of course, not all the games will be entertaining and close. MC vs Ciara is expected to be yet another roflstomp, possibly eclipsing MC vs July in pure ownage. There is no guarantee that TLO vs Nada, Jinro vs Morrow, or Nestea vs Goody will all be fantastic series. There is no guarantee that players will play their best or not resolve to use cheese. Heck, there is no guarantee that we won't get random disconnects during games. We could be seeing cheese for the rest of the tournament, or we could be seeing epic macro games. GSL has been played, and many of its games are quite good. TSL has yet to be played, and like a Christmas day present on Christmas eve, we all shall eagerly await the games that will come out of it.

Essays and walls of texts aside, I guess I prefer GSL slightly more than TSL. The entertainment is more likely to be top notch considering the lack of cross-server lag, the quality of the Korean players, the production values, THE MUSIC, and Tastosis. TSL is still looking quite good so far, though.
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
March 19 2011 22:49 GMT
#26
GSL, obviously. Casted replays with horrible cross-continent latency isn't my idea of an ideal tournament.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 22:51:29
March 19 2011 22:50 GMT
#27
Voted GSL for the following reasons:

-Only the GSL has the one and only casting archon, there's no couple that can compare
-The GSL is completely live, and has booths, and music, and k-pop, and all that insane production value and ridiculous things only koreans can do.
-I like how exciting every match is, even allins are.
-This poll is biased, since it's made right after the TSL playday 1

Imo it doesn't matter if I don't know the results. Being live just gives it that little something extra that makes it better and more exciting. Also, I've watched so much GSL I've grown fond of the players, a lot more so than EU/NA players except for a few names. For example, in today's matches tyler's win didn't cause me any feeling, while FD's loss ripped my heart from my chest from sadness. I just never "see" tyler playing, while I "saw" FD performing the miracle, LIVE, and it was goddamn awesome.

On a game level,the GSL players seem to have a better understanding of the game. Many here say "well, all koreans do is allin, so boring so boring". But the real reason we don't see that many macro games in the GSL is because EU/NA players have yet to nail early pressure as thoroughly as KR players do. When players do hold, and games go on, we get INCREDIBLE macro games, not these "let's mass 200/200 and clash at the middle then GG", but games with action all over the place, drops, simultaneous multi-pronged attacks and other feats of epicness, tense micro battles for better positioning, awesome forcefields, EMPs, storms, tank positioning, etc.

TL;DR: As a whole, in a game level, in a "TV show" level, and on a heart attachment level, there's nothing like the GSL.

The TSL is awesome as well!!, I'd say it's the second best tourney ever, and when it becomes live, it will probably be right up there, side by side with it.
Akamiri
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Vietnam401 Posts
March 19 2011 22:50 GMT
#28
TSL is awesome!!!
But personally I still think more highly of GSL.
The players are more serious about it.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 22:51:47
March 19 2011 22:51 GMT
#29
There was really a lot of hype, and it was easier to watch, but with online cross-servers between EU and KR there is always this feeling : "would the games have gone differently if there wasn't lag from each side?" so as cool it is to see KR vs foreigners we can't really compare.
Both are cool.
(edit : quality of the games skill-wise we'll never hit the level of GSL sadly :/)
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Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
March 19 2011 22:51 GMT
#30
i can relate a lot more to the players in TSL therefor to me it's more exciting

only plus for GSL is tastosis
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
March 19 2011 22:54 GMT
#31
I don't think we need a thread like this, we run different events with different goals at different times during the day. I'd much rather focus on cooperation and promoting both events than pitting them against each other.
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