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Godamn. I don't care about the match fixin scandal, this guy seriously need to get rid of this GSL / KESPA's ban cauz he has sooo much potential. It's really a shame that his talent get wasted :/
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Where can I find his stream?
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On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time.
Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2.
Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW.
Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily.
All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap.
Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time.
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On August 04 2011 11:44 RaiZ wrote:
Godamn. I don't care about the match fixin scandal, this guy seriously need to get rid of this GSL / KESPA's ban cauz he has sooo much potential. It's really a shame that his talent get wasted :/
He was the first bonjwa, he revolutionised Zerg play, he got greedy and not only broke the law, but violated Korea's national pastime. Forget potential, do we let murderers out of jail because they're good at football? I don't have a problem with him streaming but if he was ever unbanned from professional competition it would be a joke.
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On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time.
I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this.
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hey this ain't the keep track of savior's whereabouts thread -_-?
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at 56 pages it probably evolved into something else by now lol.
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On August 04 2011 16:32 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time. I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this.
C- BW is easily high master league, or better.
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On August 04 2011 17:01 arb wrote:
C- BW is easily high master league, or better.
Wow seriously ? Now i wanna get on that sc2 shit asap lol.
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On August 04 2011 17:01 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 16:32 SarR wrote:On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time. I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this. C- BW is easily high master league, or better.
This is why no one gives a shit if you're in masters, especially on NALA. Being the 6000th best guy on the ladder isn't actually impressive. After Region Linking, most America pros either ladder for fun (Idra: "Ladder isn't real practice"), or ladder on the Korean server by way of Taiwan.
Also....how did this become an SC2 thread? Savior couldn't switch if he wanted to.
On August 04 2011 16:32 SarR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time. I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this.
Honest question honest answer: Probably okay, but not like pro or anything like that. If you have solid macro, you can get to diamond or even masters pretty easily just on that. But Masters isn't impressive for that reason (I say as a platinum ;_;) Zerg benefits the least from the simplified macro, so it's not as EASYMODO as people sometimes say (It's terran who get the easy mechanics). It's still easier mechanically, but not as much as you might expect. You have to individually hotkey your hatcheries to check for inject timings, you're going to want to keep your queen energy low, you want to have 3-4 active creep tumors gooping up the map, etc. But if you're C-, you can mostly handle it. It'll just take 20-30 games to get used to it, I think, and then you're good.
Past that, it's about limiting options. Standard builds, especially on the ladder, change often as the metagame evolves, so you have to be good not just at scouting, but interpreting information. BW skill doesn't transfer over there as much, obviously. No amount of BW will teach you want a lot of sentries on one base means (FE, or possibly a really silly sentry all-in that you can hold with a spine crawler. Not tech), let alone the more subtle things like Terran having 2350 gas left in a geyser when your scouting worker got in (I don't know the timings offhand, but something like that means gas first means tech probably means banshees)
If you play as Zerg, learn to deal with bunker rushes. They're pretty good  . There's a lot in SC2 that seems kinda bullshit (getting your ramp walled in and cannoned up!), but it's just kind of learning how to deal with it properly. It's not as horrible and luck-based as it might initially seem.
Because the game is (relatively) new, people keep discovering new shit, which is part of why I like it. Blue Flame hellion drop into banshee is in right now, etc.
ZvZ you're probably going to hate at first. I know I do  . Nestea has an 85% win rate in that matchup, and I never understand how because it feels so out of my control (which is just me, not the game, but it's a common feeling).
People are setting up a custom ladder than uses ICCUP rules, so then there might be a more relevant BW-to-SC2 skill comparison this than "I can breathe, so I'm in masters"
Edit: Also! Don't be lazy! SC2 makes it easy to do a lot of things that are bad. You can have your whole army hotkeyed on 1, and that'll work really well until you get dropped in two places at once.
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Thanks for your informative answer. 
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That last part is really true. SC2 is kinda deceiving in that it does all these things for you in a streamlined manner which a Brood War player originally had to bust their ass to do, but its a trap for the competitive player it seems. You kinda have to get over the original awesomeness of not having to struggle to do certain things, and realize that a lot of it really just magnifies the expectations of what you have to do. (at least really competitively).
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I agree with these past 2 assessments. Essentially, as the importance of mechanics is toned down, game sense becomes increasingly important.
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So uh MJY was playing ZvP yesterday, and seemed to be doing pretty damn well.
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On August 04 2011 16:26 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 11:44 RaiZ wrote:
Godamn. I don't care about the match fixin scandal, this guy seriously need to get rid of this GSL / KESPA's ban cauz he has sooo much potential. It's really a shame that his talent get wasted :/ He was the first bonjwa, he revolutionised Zerg play, he got greedy and not only broke the law, but violated Korea's national pastime. Forget potential, do we let murderers out of jail because they're good at football? I don't have a problem with him streaming but if he was ever unbanned from professional competition it would be a joke.
Maybe not murderers, but people who've been convicted for violence. Dont know how familiar you are with the Joey Barton saga but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Barton . It might not be completely analogous with Saviour's scenario but I think it demonstrates that people are regularly permitted to excel despite their previous transgressions. Its a trickier scenario with Saviour though I realise as his actions were directly in violation of gaming rather than something totally seperate
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On August 04 2011 18:53 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 17:01 arb wrote:On August 04 2011 16:32 SarR wrote:On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time. I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this. C- BW is easily high master league, or better. This is why no one gives a shit if you're in masters, especially on NALA. Being the 6000th best guy on the ladder isn't actually impressive. After Region Linking, most America pros either ladder for fun (Idra: "Ladder isn't real practice"), or ladder on the Korean server by way of Taiwan. Also....how did this become an SC2 thread? Savior couldn't switch if he wanted to. Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 16:32 SarR wrote:On August 04 2011 12:35 Goldfish wrote:On August 04 2011 11:26 RaiZ wrote:On July 27 2011 11:10 catabowl wrote:On July 27 2011 03:49 krndandaman wrote:On July 26 2011 22:11 Romantic wrote:
I wonder how primarily SC2 fans would react if you went to all the threads about good SC2 players and said, "wow he is good. He should play BW. I think he would do well." nah good @ sc2 =/= good at bw afaik but good at bw usually means good at sc2 and wow i just watched savior + Show Spoiler + lose 3:4 to [neox] clan, losing to the same person 3 times. i would never think there could be a non-pro who could 3:1 savior No... this is wrong. Being good at BW =/= good at SC2. People get this wrong every time. What makes people good at SC2 is not because the played BW, it was because of the training time/devotion to the game. That's like saying if you're great in College at a sport you should automatically be good when you go pro. And that is wrong... and you can vice versa that. If you're good in the pros, that does not mean you were great in college. About your college / pro analogy, does it mean that you may not get to master within the first week of the release of sc2 ? Cauz i had not many friend going less than master / diamond. And the ones that got less weren't really playing bw competitively nor 1v1... I find it hard to believe that there would be any good bw players sucking hardcore at sc2, or even war3 players... I'm pretty sure all the good bw players would do insanely good at sc2 aswell. Just let them get used to the sc2's engine and i'd safely bet all my bucks they'd own us hard again in no time. Yep and yep. Work ethics matter "but" mechanics do transfer to SC2. Some players may have trouble doing a hellion drop, microing the hellions, plus attacking at the front with marines, plus continuing to macro and rally all units for the attack but BW players will generally be able to micro and macro just fine in SC2 thanks to them practicing it in BW. Only thing you need to learn are build orders, what's good against what, etc. In terms of build orders, a lot of them are up on liquidpedia(well for Koreans, I'm sure there are forums with SC2 strats) and most BOs can be learned easily. All pros need to do is learn which BOs are the safest against what race, take advantage of that, macro up, and let their BW mechanics fill the rest of the gap. Also a trick is to print BOs, strategies, what to look out for, etc. That way during game you see "Hmm... One gas, chrono boost saved up, core being built. *Looks at printed paper* That's maybe a 4gate? I should build this and that then just in case but let me keep scouting to make sure.". Sure you can't do that in tournaments (have printed paper with strats, etc) but it'll help you when laddering and when learning things for the first time. I average 200 APM with Zerg in BW. C- is my highest level of play. How well do you think id do at SC2 ? Im really curious about this. Honest question honest answer: Probably okay, but not like pro or anything like that. If you have solid macro, you can get to diamond or even masters pretty easily just on that. But Masters isn't impressive for that reason (I say as a platinum ;_;) Zerg benefits the least from the simplified macro, so it's not as EASYMODO as people sometimes say (It's terran who get the easy mechanics). It's still easier mechanically, but not as much as you might expect. You have to individually hotkey your hatcheries to check for inject timings, you're going to want to keep your queen energy low, you want to have 3-4 active creep tumors gooping up the map, etc. But if you're C-, you can mostly handle it. It'll just take 20-30 games to get used to it, I think, and then you're good. Past that, it's about limiting options. Standard builds, especially on the ladder, change often as the metagame evolves, so you have to be good not just at scouting, but interpreting information. BW skill doesn't transfer over there as much, obviously. No amount of BW will teach you want a lot of sentries on one base means (FE, or possibly a really silly sentry all-in that you can hold with a spine crawler. Not tech), let alone the more subtle things like Terran having 2350 gas left in a geyser when your scouting worker got in (I don't know the timings offhand, but something like that means gas first means tech probably means banshees) If you play as Zerg, learn to deal with bunker rushes. They're pretty good . There's a lot in SC2 that seems kinda bullshit (getting your ramp walled in and cannoned up!), but it's just kind of learning how to deal with it properly. It's not as horrible and luck-based as it might initially seem. Because the game is (relatively) new, people keep discovering new shit, which is part of why I like it. Blue Flame hellion drop into banshee is in right now, etc. ZvZ you're probably going to hate at first. I know I do . Nestea has an 85% win rate in that matchup, and I never understand how because it feels so out of my control (which is just me, not the game, but it's a common feeling). People are setting up a custom ladder than uses ICCUP rules, so then there might be a more relevant BW-to-SC2 skill comparison this than "I can breathe, so I'm in masters" Edit: Also! Don't be lazy! SC2 makes it easy to do a lot of things that are bad. You can have your whole army hotkeyed on 1, and that'll work really well until you get dropped in two places at once.
Wow, I'd just say that skills and the ability of strategical thinking will transfer, but scouting for certain specific timings don't, as the timings are different and so are the things you should scout for. But Ribbon explained it much better.
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Could people not get off-topic in this thread?
I'd even prefer mindless Savior defending vs bashing over this.
PS) update on the first post.
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A fake CD key? Wtf? This won't add to his e-Cred.
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On August 05 2011 10:35 ZergMaestro wrote:
So uh MJY was playing ZvP yesterday, and seemed to be doing pretty damn well.
Does he still start playing around 6 AM Eastern? I haven't watched in a while, but he has been getting better.
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