Savior plays BW games on Afreeca - Page 24

On May 26 2011 21:43 ULTRAmarine wrote:
I think saviors ban is bullshit for one. the continuing ban from GOM is straight out bullying.

Throwing in games does not give him an edge in the competition. it is nothing like a maphack or such. because of this, there is no reason for the sport to be so condemning. i do think that match fixing is bad for the sport but that is in the exactly same sense in which it is bad for the sport if a good player plays bad one day and loses to a bad player - plus that IF match fixing gets wide spread the _overall_ quality of the game diminishes.

But fortunately for us and the game, even the betting is already illegal. The kespa doesn't really have to do anything about it. Some much smaller punishment is due in my opinion, but largely symbolic.
To keep the best player ever from perhaps another shot at bw or a new career in sc2 because of criminal activities at the side of gaming is fucking stupid.

On May 26 2011 21:49 FlydRaLiSK wrote:


the level of stupid and incorrectness in this post is astounding

On May 27 2011 21:14 eXigent. wrote:


huh? you're acting like what he did was minor. He got people to throw games at the highest level of competition to make money off them. His ban is justifiable because you cannot put trust in savior to never do that again. You will always wonder, did he lose on purpose or not

On May 27 2011 21:48 ULTRAmarine wrote:


yeah, as i spent my post saying, i think the event is minor out of the community's perspective and that's that. How is it a big problem for the game if someone, somewhere, sometimes, plays worse than they are capable of (happens all the time) on purpose? I don't see it. Yes it sucks when people don't play their best. Yes it sucks when scumbags make money from scams. But it is not our concern and i think it's straight out wrong, punishing saviour in this way. It would be like if i went pro (ofc no chance) and someone told kespa about my teen life: shoplifting, theft, burglary, robbery, drugs, violence, vandalism, etc, and i then was banned for my UNRELATED misconduct. The match betting is illegal but unrelated to the game. The match fix is kind of double illegal, slightly less unrelated to the game, but it holds the exactly same negative value for the community as if these players just had a bad day. MINOR.

The trust thingy you bring up is pure BS. Why do you trust the other players? The only thing you know that separates them from savior & co is that they have not (yet) been busted. Unless you actually have statistics pointing towards a proneness for relapse among eSports criminals you have nothing but an emotional ground for wanting savior forced off the stage. Emotions make for extremely BAD guidelines for legal actions.

TL;DR: again, savior didnt put himself in a gamewise favorable position and his crimes are thus not kespa's or our business to condemn and punish. We already have a legal system, let them do their job and stop the retarded vigilante mob thing.

On May 27 2011 22:00 Brad` wrote:
I think you'd get a bit more support for your arguement if you had any idea what you were talking about. Savior was never formally accused of throwing games and its unlikely that he ever did.

On May 27 2011 22:55 ULTRAmarine wrote:


if so, feel free to insert any match thrower's name where i wrote savior. Where he only middle man in this business i feel my argument is even more valid - his criminal life (almost) outside of esports is not the business of esports.

On May 27 2011 23:37 ymir233 wrote:


Logically your argument makes sense based upon the idea that talking about criminal matters in the jurisdiction of eSports is nontopical. Morally, however, sAviOr must be punished for his actions because he went against the 'fair gaming/competition' aspect of Starcraft due to his greed. This is not a consequentialist debate. It is absolute. Whether everybody was in consent or not, again, he destroyed the skill-based, competitive nature of Starcraft that we enjoy and KeSPA had an obligation to ban him as an example and as a punishment. It's the same as in any other competitive event. There are no competitive events where cheating/match fixing is LEGAL, per se, but no event organization has jurisdiction over criminal justice. Yet they all ban frauds.

On May 27 2011 21:32 Deekin[ wrote:
Its very safe to say that Savior wont come back to any kind of tournament in BW so why are everyone hoping for it when it wont happen?

On May 28 2011 01:28 Clbull wrote:


I think it is extremely safe to say that Savior won't make a comeback in BW. KeSPA have given him a lifetime ban from e-sports. Having said this, it's funny to see that coach post a tweet pretty much with a HOW DARE HE PLAY BROOD WAR NON-COMPETITIVELY AGAIN, THE MATCH FIXING SCUMBAG type message.

Then again, if it's only KeSPA that have permabanned him from professional competition, could he technically go into Starcraft II seeing as KeSPA don't really have any control currently over that game and because the foreign progamer scene has hugely flourished for SC2 compared to how it was for BW?

In fact, I think the only thing that would really hold Savior back is his past record in the scandal and any of the negative PR generated by allowing him in (even a foreign) progaming team or league.

Seeing how overly strict KeSPA have been on trivial things such as what you can say on in-game chat, I don't think they will EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER give Savior another chance to compete in Broodwar.

On May 27 2011 22:55 ULTRAmarine wrote:


if so, feel free to insert any match thrower's name where i wrote savior. Where he only middle man in this business i feel my argument is even more valid - his criminal life (almost) outside of esports is not the business of esports.