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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
January 26 2011 06:37 GMT
#81
First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.
r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 06:44:36
January 26 2011 06:39 GMT
#82
On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:
I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL


I mean, what's your alternative meaning of hypocrite?

But, you know, serious business aside, trash talk is trash talk. Words is just words. The Bird is taking (T)Fantasy down. Too bad this MSL is (Z)Jaedong's tying NaDa's record

=)

Edit> I don't find it particularly bad that someone is a hypocrite, because every single human is one. And that's what's so ironic and funny about them. But no doubt Stork is being one hypocrite now, haha. Great OP =)
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 26 2011 06:40 GMT
#83
On January 26 2011 15:37 1a2a3aPro wrote:
First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.

Must qualify this statement.

Is this the interview you're talking about?
On November 03 2009 11:53 Xiphos wrote:
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104948
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 06:42:02
January 26 2011 06:41 GMT
#84
easy to throw stones from your glass houses

what is wrong with being a hypocrite? EVERYONE is a hypocrite at some point or another because we are all human. you're being a hypocrite by criticizing someone for being a hypocrite.

what you call hypocritical, i call the right to change one's mind.

whether or not he's being a hypocrite has no impact on the veracity of his statement.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 26 2011 06:42 GMT
#85
This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 26 2011 06:46 GMT
#86
Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
January 26 2011 06:49 GMT
#87
Well I just think Stork is very serious about getting some more gold before he gets too old, as he is from a statistic point of view the best Protoss player of all time, and having an additional 2 golds would definately add some leverage to that. As I think he is an all around more solid player than Bisu, maybe not as naturally talented, so it's necessary for him to take the time out for some extra Practice.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 26 2011 06:50 GMT
#88
On January 26 2011 15:36 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:
people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves


Why? Where was Stork wrong? When Stork was playing in Clubday MSL and Incruit OSL, he did not take time off from PL. What Stork is truly to blame is the fact that he obviously did not understand the amount of preparation necessary to dual league these days, as opposed to yester-years where players didn't practice 14 hours a day.

So really, if you look at it closely, it's less about hypocrisy and more about spewing opinions that are simply wrong. Stork was wrong in that he shouldn't say things he has no clue about.

Being a hypocrite requires that one does not believe in his words. I see no reason why at the time, Stork did not believe his own words.

Actually he did, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=8&from_day=19&to_year=2008&to_month=11&to_day=2&action=Update there's the stretch when he was in Incruit. As you can see between the 21st and 31st of October he didn't play in any proleague matches, despite http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94242 (click round 1 spoiler) showing that khan had a proleague match that went to the ace match on the 27th.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
January 26 2011 06:58 GMT
#89
Dinotoss stepping up his GAME. I love this charismatic call-out!
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
January 26 2011 07:05 GMT
#90
On January 26 2011 15:46 ShadeR wrote:
Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke


ye i guess he was right after all haha
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 26 2011 07:07 GMT
#91
On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all

He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.

That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.


The hell?

When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.


Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(


Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.
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Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
January 26 2011 07:10 GMT
#92
Pfft who needs stork for WL? Not Khan, thats for sure.

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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 26 2011 07:13 GMT
#93
On January 26 2011 16:07 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all

He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.

That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.


The hell?

When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.


Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(


Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.

I'm pretty sure that the obs over turret trick isn't illegal in KeSPA sanctioned games so you can't really blame him for that
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structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
January 26 2011 07:17 GMT
#94
lol i had a feeling someone would bring this interview back up, stork you BAD BOY!

but seriously, it was a triviality then, and a triviality now. just stork being his usual passionate, goofy, and forgetful self.
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
January 26 2011 07:19 GMT
#95
This thread is already at five pages so my post will probably be lost in the shuffle, but there's a difference between changing your opinion about something and being a hypocrite. Stork really believed what he said then, but now his opinion about it has surely changed. There's nothing wrong with that. If Stork was still saying those things today, while taking a day off to practice, then he would be a hypocrite.
shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
January 26 2011 07:26 GMT
#96
On January 26 2011 15:32 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 26 2011 14:07 Fighter wrote:
I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?

I'm honestly just really curious.


Stork was, and still is, really arrogant; kind of a whole sore loser-bad winner thing. As someone said, he kind of belittles other people's success and makes excuses and shit when he loses lol ~_~


I used to hate stork when he just played super boring 2-base carrier PvTs all the time. man he was boring lol.

carriers PvTs still are still the most boring times in non-mirror MUs honestly lol


Seriously. PvT is a pretty good MU until carriers pop out, then everything slows to. a. crawl. Not to mention they are ridiculously imba.

P + Carriers > T
T > P + Arbiters

All in all it evens out to about 50/50
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 26 2011 07:26 GMT
#97
On January 26 2011 15:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.

I agree. He's finally wisening up. When I read that interview where he talked about regretting wasting a whole year on WoW, I felt his mindset had changed.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 26 2011 07:28 GMT
#98
On January 26 2011 15:50 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:36 baubo wrote:
On January 26 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:
people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves


Why? Where was Stork wrong? When Stork was playing in Clubday MSL and Incruit OSL, he did not take time off from PL. What Stork is truly to blame is the fact that he obviously did not understand the amount of preparation necessary to dual league these days, as opposed to yester-years where players didn't practice 14 hours a day.

So really, if you look at it closely, it's less about hypocrisy and more about spewing opinions that are simply wrong. Stork was wrong in that he shouldn't say things he has no clue about.

Being a hypocrite requires that one does not believe in his words. I see no reason why at the time, Stork did not believe his own words.

Actually he did, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=8&from_day=19&to_year=2008&to_month=11&to_day=2&action=Update there's the stretch when he was in Incruit. As you can see between the 21st and 31st of October he didn't play in any proleague matches, despite http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94242 (click round 1 spoiler) showing that khan had a proleague match that went to the ace match on the 27th.


I don't remember the details that far back then. But at that time, Khan actually had FBH/Jangbi at their peak. So Stork not getting sent out to Ace, or not even playing in some matches, is hardly a big deal. Usually one of them just take matches off because their overall lineup was so good.

Also forgot that Stork even had GOM games, which I believe he didn't bother practicing for at all.
Meh
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
January 26 2011 07:34 GMT
#99
On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:
I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL

Probably this...

I don't get why people are giving him shit for something he said a year ago, in any case.
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#100
stork is lacking confidence. he's not a hypocrite.
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