• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:21
CEST 17:21
KST 00:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles2[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China8Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL65Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?14FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL SC uni coach streams logging into betting site BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2024! Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 699 users

Stork isn't showing up to today's PL Game... - Page 5

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 Next All
1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
January 26 2011 06:37 GMT
#81
First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.
r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 06:44:36
January 26 2011 06:39 GMT
#82
On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:
I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL


I mean, what's your alternative meaning of hypocrite?

But, you know, serious business aside, trash talk is trash talk. Words is just words. The Bird is taking (T)Fantasy down. Too bad this MSL is (Z)Jaedong's tying NaDa's record

=)

Edit> I don't find it particularly bad that someone is a hypocrite, because every single human is one. And that's what's so ironic and funny about them. But no doubt Stork is being one hypocrite now, haha. Great OP =)
Born to fast expand
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 26 2011 06:40 GMT
#83
On January 26 2011 15:37 1a2a3aPro wrote:
First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.

Must qualify this statement.

Is this the interview you're talking about?
On November 03 2009 11:53 Xiphos wrote:
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104948
Translator:3
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 06:42:02
January 26 2011 06:41 GMT
#84
easy to throw stones from your glass houses

what is wrong with being a hypocrite? EVERYONE is a hypocrite at some point or another because we are all human. you're being a hypocrite by criticizing someone for being a hypocrite.

what you call hypocritical, i call the right to change one's mind.

whether or not he's being a hypocrite has no impact on the veracity of his statement.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 26 2011 06:42 GMT
#85
This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 26 2011 06:46 GMT
#86
Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
January 26 2011 06:49 GMT
#87
Well I just think Stork is very serious about getting some more gold before he gets too old, as he is from a statistic point of view the best Protoss player of all time, and having an additional 2 golds would definately add some leverage to that. As I think he is an all around more solid player than Bisu, maybe not as naturally talented, so it's necessary for him to take the time out for some extra Practice.
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 26 2011 06:50 GMT
#88
On January 26 2011 15:36 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:
people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves


Why? Where was Stork wrong? When Stork was playing in Clubday MSL and Incruit OSL, he did not take time off from PL. What Stork is truly to blame is the fact that he obviously did not understand the amount of preparation necessary to dual league these days, as opposed to yester-years where players didn't practice 14 hours a day.

So really, if you look at it closely, it's less about hypocrisy and more about spewing opinions that are simply wrong. Stork was wrong in that he shouldn't say things he has no clue about.

Being a hypocrite requires that one does not believe in his words. I see no reason why at the time, Stork did not believe his own words.

Actually he did, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=8&from_day=19&to_year=2008&to_month=11&to_day=2&action=Update there's the stretch when he was in Incruit. As you can see between the 21st and 31st of October he didn't play in any proleague matches, despite http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94242 (click round 1 spoiler) showing that khan had a proleague match that went to the ace match on the 27th.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
January 26 2011 06:58 GMT
#89
Dinotoss stepping up his GAME. I love this charismatic call-out!
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
January 26 2011 07:05 GMT
#90
On January 26 2011 15:46 ShadeR wrote:
Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke


ye i guess he was right after all haha
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 26 2011 07:07 GMT
#91
On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all

He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.

That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.


The hell?

When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.


Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(


Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
January 26 2011 07:10 GMT
#92
Pfft who needs stork for WL? Not Khan, thats for sure.

Shaman.233
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 26 2011 07:13 GMT
#93
On January 26 2011 16:07 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:
On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all

He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.

That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.


The hell?

When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.


Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(


Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.

I'm pretty sure that the obs over turret trick isn't illegal in KeSPA sanctioned games so you can't really blame him for that
Writerptrk
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
January 26 2011 07:17 GMT
#94
lol i had a feeling someone would bring this interview back up, stork you BAD BOY!

but seriously, it was a triviality then, and a triviality now. just stork being his usual passionate, goofy, and forgetful self.
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
January 26 2011 07:19 GMT
#95
This thread is already at five pages so my post will probably be lost in the shuffle, but there's a difference between changing your opinion about something and being a hypocrite. Stork really believed what he said then, but now his opinion about it has surely changed. There's nothing wrong with that. If Stork was still saying those things today, while taking a day off to practice, then he would be a hypocrite.
shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
January 26 2011 07:26 GMT
#96
On January 26 2011 15:32 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 26 2011 14:07 Fighter wrote:
I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?

I'm honestly just really curious.


Stork was, and still is, really arrogant; kind of a whole sore loser-bad winner thing. As someone said, he kind of belittles other people's success and makes excuses and shit when he loses lol ~_~


I used to hate stork when he just played super boring 2-base carrier PvTs all the time. man he was boring lol.

carriers PvTs still are still the most boring times in non-mirror MUs honestly lol


Seriously. PvT is a pretty good MU until carriers pop out, then everything slows to. a. crawl. Not to mention they are ridiculously imba.

P + Carriers > T
T > P + Arbiters

All in all it evens out to about 50/50
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 26 2011 07:26 GMT
#97
On January 26 2011 15:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.

I agree. He's finally wisening up. When I read that interview where he talked about regretting wasting a whole year on WoW, I felt his mindset had changed.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 26 2011 07:28 GMT
#98
On January 26 2011 15:50 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 15:36 baubo wrote:
On January 26 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:
people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves


Why? Where was Stork wrong? When Stork was playing in Clubday MSL and Incruit OSL, he did not take time off from PL. What Stork is truly to blame is the fact that he obviously did not understand the amount of preparation necessary to dual league these days, as opposed to yester-years where players didn't practice 14 hours a day.

So really, if you look at it closely, it's less about hypocrisy and more about spewing opinions that are simply wrong. Stork was wrong in that he shouldn't say things he has no clue about.

Being a hypocrite requires that one does not believe in his words. I see no reason why at the time, Stork did not believe his own words.

Actually he did, http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=all&league=any&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=8&from_day=19&to_year=2008&to_month=11&to_day=2&action=Update there's the stretch when he was in Incruit. As you can see between the 21st and 31st of October he didn't play in any proleague matches, despite http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94242 (click round 1 spoiler) showing that khan had a proleague match that went to the ace match on the 27th.


I don't remember the details that far back then. But at that time, Khan actually had FBH/Jangbi at their peak. So Stork not getting sent out to Ace, or not even playing in some matches, is hardly a big deal. Usually one of them just take matches off because their overall lineup was so good.

Also forgot that Stork even had GOM games, which I believe he didn't bother practicing for at all.
Meh
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
January 26 2011 07:34 GMT
#99
On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:
I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL

Probably this...

I don't get why people are giving him shit for something he said a year ago, in any case.
Hello
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#100
stork is lacking confidence. he's not a hypocrite.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#43
WardiTV1370
OGKoka 513
Harstem487
IndyStarCraft 213
Rex163
CranKy Ducklings129
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 513
Harstem 487
mouzHeroMarine 301
Hui .250
IndyStarCraft 213
Rex 163
MaxPax 99
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 3316
Jaedong 2412
Flash 2354
EffOrt 921
Hyuk 658
Soulkey 505
Stork 416
ZerO 413
Larva 390
Snow 353
[ Show more ]
actioN 329
Soma 275
firebathero 235
GuemChi 186
Mind 168
sSak 84
TY 68
Barracks 58
JulyZerg 56
Yoon 49
Sharp 47
PianO 46
hero 43
Sea.KH 37
Terrorterran 35
sorry 27
soO 26
HiyA 26
Aegong 25
JYJ25
yabsab 20
Rock 17
GoRush 11
IntoTheRainbow 8
Shine 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5612
qojqva2919
League of Legends
singsing2448
Dendi1222
Counter-Strike
fl0m739
markeloff133
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King220
Other Games
hiko1744
B2W.Neo985
Beastyqt698
crisheroes425
Lowko344
Liquid`VortiX142
ArmadaUGS122
Trikslyr34
ZerO(Twitch)22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick44159
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 18
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 4
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3477
• WagamamaTV533
League of Legends
• Nemesis6826
• TFBlade508
Upcoming Events
RotterdaM Event
39m
Replay Cast
8h 39m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 39m
WardiTV European League
1d
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
WardiTV European League
1d 20h
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.