One proof of the Bible inspired by God?

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Norway2745 Posts

January 08 2011 00:27 GMT

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On January 08 2011 09:07 Sleight wrote:

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On January 08 2011 08:50 kerpal wrote:
first of all, sorry OP and thread in general, please everyone lets not derail, after this i suggest we PM for any further discussion or open a new thread.

On January 08 2011 08:23 Sleight wrote:
EDIT: Please look up the Council of Carthage, just for everyone's sake. Seriously. The Bible was agreed upon by a government and canonized.

common misconception.

from wiki:

The Council of Carthage, called the third by Denzinger,[4] on 28 August 397 issued a canon of the Bible quoted as, "Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua son of Nun, Judges, Ruth, 4 books of Kingdoms, 2 books of Chronicles, Job, the Davidic Psalter, 5 books of Solomon, 12 books of Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Tobias, Judith, Esther, 2 books of Ezra, 2 books of Maccabees, and in the New Testament: 4 books of Gospels, 1 book of Acts of the Apostles, 13 letters of the Apostle Paul, 1 letter of his to the Hebrews, 2 of Peter, 3 of John, 1 of James, 1 of Jude, and one book of the Apocalypse of John."

'issued a cannon of scripture' means that they said these are the books that are in the bible...
far earlier documents contain many or most of these books (very rarely any extras, incomplete due to slow circulation of the letters, most of which were written to specific groups)

the scriptures are pretty easy to spot actually, the reason we have the ones we have is because they are pretty clearly the right ones. these councils are just a group of scholars letting the world know that these are the correct books of the bible.

for anything else or if you'd like me to flesh this out PM me, if i get lots of questions i could open a blog about it. sorry if this sounds in any way preachy or condescending, i've stated things because i don't have time to give the evidence.

PS, something to think about, this is a VERY active area of debate and study. 1700 years after this council these are still the books of the bible that are used even by people who don't believe that God inspired these particular books. these are widely accepted by people who have ACTUALLY STUDIED THIS as being the authentic ones written by, to and when they claim to be.

Okay so this shows the actual incorrect info.

The Council of Carthage was founded as a result of IMPERIAL DECREE needed to standardize Christianity. It operated at the blessing of Emperor ONLY. I am pretty sure that is official endorsement.

Pretty easy to spot? Why were the following Gospels omitted?
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* Acts of John
o The Hymn of Jesus
* Acts of Peter
* Acts of Peter and the Twelve
* Acts of Thomas
o The Hymn of the Pearl
* Allogenes

* Apocalypse of Adam
* First Apocalypse of James
* Second Apocalypse of James
* Apocryphon of James
* Apocryphon of John
* Coptic Apocalypse of Paul
* Coptic Apocalypse of Peter

* Books of Jeu
* Book of Thomas the Contender
* Dialogue of the Saviour
* Letter of Peter to Philip
* Odes of Solomon
* Pistis Sophia
* Secret Gospel of Mark
* The Sophia of Jesus Christ

* Gospel of the Egyptians
* Gospel of Judas
* Gospel of Mary
* Gospel of Philip
* Gospel of Thomas
* Gospel of Truth
* Unknown Berlin Gospel or Gospel of the Savior

Almost every single one of these exists in physical form and was dated EARLIER than the rest of the New Testament. Sorry buddy. You are incorrect. There are no books that are "quite clearly the right ones". The Roman empire selected the most CONSERVATIVE books that shared the least with Eastern Mysticism, which Rome encountered through trade and wanted to inspire loyalty in their Christian subjects in opposition to Eastern tenets.

Lawlkthxbye.

I'm pretty sure that most of those are written a lot later, and therefor not accepted. The letters of Paul and the gospel of Marc are clearly the earliest of the New testament scriptures.