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On October 24 2010 16:52 Siffer wrote:
Put it on your resume if you can paint it to make you look good. For example, for 2 years I was a strat caller for a CS 1.6 team which performed well. On my resume I have "Former leader and strategy caller for a successful counter-strike team."
Usually that always gets brought up in interviews. I explain that my decisions could impact the success of the team, and I often had to make decisive decisions on the fly. It shows leadership and team work. 5 years ago, I think putting gaming related achievements/interests could negatively impact a resume; however, I think in 2010 it could help if displayed the correct way.
That is a great way to phrase it
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don't ever even think about putting somehting like this in your resume unless you are applying for razer or blizzard or some other developer.
for a manager it just shows, that you are great in wasting tim (at least in his eyes)
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Soooo you're wondering if you should fill out your resume honestly or disguise the nerd factor?
I guess my response is this:
If you want to get a job in MA, tell everyone you love the patriots.
That's obviously an exaggeration, but appealing to the job description is what you really want to do.
Do this: develop a core resume that you can refer to whenever you need a job. Then, based on the job, tweak the wordings of each part to reflect the job you want. You'll find at that point, what you say in it matters not so much as how you say it, because it's how you say it taht will peak the interest of the interviewer
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I really wouldnt put that on there. A lot of people still associate video games as something you do when you dont feel like getting out of your room. If you play competitive sports, dance, play an instrument, etc., people will see those as things that take dedication and training. Even though those are things people do for fun and in their spare time, video games are usually something that people do when they dont even have the energy to do those previously mentioned activities. Of course, there are people who play video games competitively and thus also "train" for it, but thats a new concept for a lot of people. Its probably extremely risky to put that in a resume, whether youre from China, Korea, or the USA. (I dunno about Korea, but Im guessing that despite esports being big there, employers will still feel the same way about video games in general)
Also, if youre talking about SC, it wont be as good as that CS example that other poster brought up. In a CS team, you organize a group of real people and can really show great leadership qualities. In SC, even though youre commanding "armies", youre still just playing by yourself. If youre just playing a game by yourself, I cant see there being much that you could draw from there that would be relevant in a work environment.
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As some people have already said, put esports/pro-gaming only if it adds to your assets as someone they want to hire. watching sc2 stream all day is not an asset, community organizer and tournament manager is.
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Hobbies will likely come up at the start of the interview to break the ice (even if you dont put any on the resume). It is not very important what your hobbies are - however, being ashamed/uncomfortable talking about them is very very bad.
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On October 24 2010 16:52 Siffer wrote:
Put it on your resume if you can paint it to make you look good. For example, for 2 years I was a strat caller for a CS 1.6 team which performed well. On my resume I have "Former leader and strategy caller for a successful counter-strike team."
Usually that always gets brought up in interviews. I explain that my decisions could impact the success of the team, and I often had to make decisive decisions on the fly. It shows leadership and team work. 5 years ago, I think putting gaming related achievements/interests could negatively impact a resume; however, I think in 2010 it could help if displayed the correct way.
This is the perfect way to bring it up, if possible. Try to compare it to more common work-like skills that may relate to the job.
If not possible, I wouldn't bring it up.
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1) Don't put any hobbies on your resume. Putting hobbies on your resume is basically an indication that you can't fill up your resume with legitimate experience.
2) If you do have to put hobbies for some reason, don't put anything about gaming, and especially don't call it e-sports. Hiring is still done by human beings and most human beings consider someone calling playing videogames an e-sport incredibly geeky.
The only place I can see video games going on a resume is if you supported yourself financially using gaming, and you can put that under employment.
Edit: I suppose it also depends where you're applying. If you're applying to gamestop, go ahead. If you're applying for a professional job, though, don't put it on there.
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On October 24 2010 15:21 Simplistik wrote:
Having a unique interest can make you stand out. An account at or company said he once get an interview because on of his hobbies was "drinking beer".
yeah! this is true!
during an interview, i was asked on things i do in my free time. i told him i sleep a lot and love playing PS2 (i am not yet playing sc that time). anyway, after getting the job, he and his team still remembers me for that particular q&a and one of them told me that it was really interesting.
but i don't know, if that's the first question in an interview, i wouldn't probably say it. i told him those things because it seems that the interview is about to finish and he just asked it randomly before he officially ended the interview. (or may be it was a trap question).
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On October 25 2010 07:40 iEchoic wrote:
1) Don't put any hobbies on your resume. Putting hobbies on your resume is basically an indication that you can't fill up your resume with legitimate experience.
2) If you do have to put hobbies for some reason, don't put anything about gaming, and especially don't call it e-sports. Hiring is still done by human beings and most human beings consider someone calling playing videogames an e-sport incredibly geeky.
The only place I can see video games going on a resume is if you supported yourself financially using gaming, and you can put that under employment.
Edit: I suppose it also depends where you're applying. If you're applying to gamestop, go ahead. If you're applying for a professional job, though, don't put it on there.
I've had "hobbies" like badminton, being a scout and arrangeing canoing trips and guitar playing on my resume and so far it has NEVER been a problem, actually I've only been complimented for it and by several people have I been told that it was a good touch. So whilst some hobbies might not be a good plan to put on (ESPORTS are sadly one of them), going so far as to say that you should never put them on is imo simply wrong/bad advice.
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On October 25 2010 07:53 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 07:40 iEchoic wrote:
1) Don't put any hobbies on your resume. Putting hobbies on your resume is basically an indication that you can't fill up your resume with legitimate experience.
2) If you do have to put hobbies for some reason, don't put anything about gaming, and especially don't call it e-sports. Hiring is still done by human beings and most human beings consider someone calling playing videogames an e-sport incredibly geeky.
The only place I can see video games going on a resume is if you supported yourself financially using gaming, and you can put that under employment.
Edit: I suppose it also depends where you're applying. If you're applying to gamestop, go ahead. If you're applying for a professional job, though, don't put it on there. I've had "hobbies" like badminton, being a scout and arrangeing canoing trips and guitar playing on my resume and so far it has NEVER been a problem, actually I've only been complimented for it and by several people have I been told that it was a good touch. So whilst some hobbies might not be a good plan to put on (ESPORTS are sadly one of them), going so far as to say that you should never put them on is imo simply wrong/bad advice.
You can have hobbies on your resume, it won't kill you or leave you homeless, it's just not recommended by most people. If you have stuff to fill your resume, it's better to leave hobbies out.
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I put "competitive video games" on my resume under "Outside Interests".
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I think you resume should be somewhat targeted, I wouldn't put work experience as a bartender if applying for an IT job the same way I wouldn't put esports/gaming interests if applying for a company I wouldn't think would accept something like that. i.e. frims in or close to that particular field or generally more open-minded/creative-type employers.
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If you put it on make sure if they ask about it you can extend it into a story about some characteristic that they would find desirable, just like the CS 1.6 guy did. Same applies to anything that isn't necessary on your resume. For example I have swimming on mine, not that I swim more than once a month now, but because I used to be a competitive swimmer and if they mention it I can go talk about how it took dedication, ability to perform under pressure, blah, blah.
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On October 25 2010 08:03 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 07:53 Ghostcom wrote:On October 25 2010 07:40 iEchoic wrote:
1) Don't put any hobbies on your resume. Putting hobbies on your resume is basically an indication that you can't fill up your resume with legitimate experience.
2) If you do have to put hobbies for some reason, don't put anything about gaming, and especially don't call it e-sports. Hiring is still done by human beings and most human beings consider someone calling playing videogames an e-sport incredibly geeky.
The only place I can see video games going on a resume is if you supported yourself financially using gaming, and you can put that under employment.
Edit: I suppose it also depends where you're applying. If you're applying to gamestop, go ahead. If you're applying for a professional job, though, don't put it on there. I've had "hobbies" like badminton, being a scout and arrangeing canoing trips and guitar playing on my resume and so far it has NEVER been a problem, actually I've only been complimented for it and by several people have I been told that it was a good touch. So whilst some hobbies might not be a good plan to put on (ESPORTS are sadly one of them), going so far as to say that you should never put them on is imo simply wrong/bad advice. You can have hobbies on your resume, it won't kill you or leave you homeless, it's just not recommended by most people. If you have stuff to fill your resume, it's better to leave hobbies out.
What exactly do you mean by "fill your resume"? It's not like it is limited - though you should obviously not fill it with random stuff. Showcasing as many (positive) aspects of yourself should be pretty self-explanatory. And meaningful (to the reader) hobbies will showcase a lot of positive aspects if you can explain it properly: i.e. I would write something like that having during my highschool trained 6 hours of badminton, played tournaments 2 times a month, been the leader of some scouts, been in charge of the schools homework "cafe", played guitar whilst still managing to get good grades would showcase that I'm good at planning, prioritizing many different tasks and making sure to never miss a deadline. I would also write something about the individual qualities each hobby has given me: i.e. badminton has taught me to always strive for perfection and to go into each assignment with 100% focus on the task at hand. Furthermore badminton has taught me great disciplin even when performing mundane tasks.
I could go on - the entire point is that even though you can probably find jobs which showcase some of the same stuff hobbies do this VERY well and the combination will typically make your resume stronger, not weaker. Heck, the times my sister or my father have been hiring people (all 3 for larger companies - Carlsberg and Novozymes) they take a pretty good look at what people have been doing BESIDES just their proffesional life - especially when looking to hire young people, so in the end it is probably up to personal preferences, but to say to never include it isn't very good advice...
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hobbies are there so they can get a general idea of what kind of person you are real quick w.o having to get to know you. You can use it to sell yourself bit on the resume by putting things worth mentioning.
If you're gonna mention competitive gaming, remember not everyone might understand what you are talking about, so you have to explain in a way that anyone with zero knowledge can get what you are saying. Point out things like critical thinking, teamwork and all that stuff when asked. At worst youre gonna do a bad job explaining it and it might sound like you're a weirdo if they didnt get it. then just dont put it at all.
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On October 24 2010 14:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
If you put it on your resume please use the correct spelling and punctuation - "ESPORTS."
I'll go with an example:
KeSPA.- Korean e-Sports Players Association.
Electronic Sports, also abbreviated e-Sports is commonly used as a general term to describe the play of video games competitively.
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I put BW on my resume at the very bottom, on one line, compressed alongside dozens of other silly hobbies. It's a conversation-starter at best, but not something you want to emphasize.
If you're falling short of filling one page such that you need to mention this, then you probably won't get the job anyway.
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On October 25 2010 08:32 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 08:03 iEchoic wrote:On October 25 2010 07:53 Ghostcom wrote:On October 25 2010 07:40 iEchoic wrote:
1) Don't put any hobbies on your resume. Putting hobbies on your resume is basically an indication that you can't fill up your resume with legitimate experience.
2) If you do have to put hobbies for some reason, don't put anything about gaming, and especially don't call it e-sports. Hiring is still done by human beings and most human beings consider someone calling playing videogames an e-sport incredibly geeky.
The only place I can see video games going on a resume is if you supported yourself financially using gaming, and you can put that under employment.
Edit: I suppose it also depends where you're applying. If you're applying to gamestop, go ahead. If you're applying for a professional job, though, don't put it on there. I've had "hobbies" like badminton, being a scout and arrangeing canoing trips and guitar playing on my resume and so far it has NEVER been a problem, actually I've only been complimented for it and by several people have I been told that it was a good touch. So whilst some hobbies might not be a good plan to put on (ESPORTS are sadly one of them), going so far as to say that you should never put them on is imo simply wrong/bad advice. You can have hobbies on your resume, it won't kill you or leave you homeless, it's just not recommended by most people. If you have stuff to fill your resume, it's better to leave hobbies out. What exactly do you mean by "fill your resume"? It's not like it is limited - though you should obviously not fill it with random stuff.
You should keep your resume to one page, unless you have multiple degrees or a LOT of relevant experience. A rule of thumb I've heard a lot is "you get one page for each degree you have".
If you don't have multiple degrees or a ton of relevant experience that needs to be included, you are (or should be) limited to one page. Employers take an average of 30 seconds to look at your resume and they don't want to sort through more than one page of kung fu skills, your starcraft rank, and your favorite foods.
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Unfortunatley to be safe, I'd avoid it all together - too many negative stereotypes. Even if its true that SC helps with multi-tasking, decison-making etc the response of the majority of employers will be negative.
I mean I play soccer and always put that down - its amazing how they love the fact I can work in a team, lead etc on the field... But if I put counter-strike, which takes alot of team-coordination as well, its a completely different thing in the eyes of an employer. Unfortunate, but reality.
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