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Dominican Republic463 Posts
On October 17 2010 23:14 TheDrill wrote:
1. Where did you get the idea that more new players picked terran?
2. Where did you get the idea that protoss players are struggling against terrans?
3. Where did you get the idea that the zerg buffs were needed? Certainly not from the data I'm looking at and certainly not from GSL.
This is a veiled balance Q.Q thread that basically says T>P isn't it?
Yes from the GSL check the MU % from zerg they are abysmally low, only 1 zerg made it through the Ro32 and they were little zergs to begin with and won, everything else was P and T. Fuck you guys on? Jesus
Truth be told the points made by the OP arent valid.
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most of your assumptions are based on hunch...
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On October 17 2010 23:37 TeWy wrote:
The only effective statistical method to proof whether a race is imba or not, is to compare the overall ratio at {all levels} and/or {platinum-diamond} ... with their ratio at the TOP.
Why? Plz stop making things up.
On October 17 2010 23:37 TeWy wrote:
The MU statistics of a whole division makes no sense whatsoever and no knowledge can be extracted from them for obvious reasons.
Well, first of all these numbers are from a whole league not division. And then your statement is completly wrong. PLEASE tell me these obvious reasons. And you should write Blizzard an email, because they seem to make the same mistake as me posting these numbers on their offical newssite talking about balance.
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ah, another wow fanboy QQ'ing... It's fine L2P 
all your claims are based on fiction and your own imagination. Fail post..
Really.. play more games. And if you're not happy with your race, just switch...
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On October 17 2010 22:50 Tone_ wrote:
Protoss is far from op. It's easily the most boring race atm as Blizzard seem to like removing most toss builds and openings. DT's? Nah. Voids? Nerf.
Muta ling is going to be the next thing people complain about.
It takes less skill to win with muta ling vs a t with thor marine or vs a toss with stalker zeal.
Wtf are you talking about? Clump up mutas against a thor and they evaporate in seconds. The terran only has to stim/kite away from banelings which is not all that hard unless they get fungal growthed by an 80 hp unit the zerg has to micro into place.
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On October 17 2010 23:42 ichangedmyname wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:22 Thunderfist wrote:OP has no idea what he's talking about. Did u even played anything beside protoss ? What vOddy (top200 US zerg) said about protoss: I can't believe how fucking easy this race is. I'm a Zerg player, and I decided to offrace Protoss for the lulz. Guess what happens? From 1600 points to 1700. LOL. I am not a P player, so why am I not getting my ass kicked?
When I switched from Terran to Zerg I lost 150 points and my win % dropped to 50%. Now that I am playing Protoss it's as if I had always been playing them.
If you are a Protoss player, you have no fucking idea how spoiled you are. StarCraft 2 is a much harder game than you know.
Here's whole thread from GR.org: http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=680617 Well that's official. There's a single no name American Zerg who won a few matches on ladder with Protoss. Easiest race in the game, DISCOVERED! The whole debate is stupid. So Protoss = Easy to be decent at =/= Easy =/= OP. Ya dig?
How do i not know what I'm talking about... i said protoss mechanics were easier to understand.
However that zerg is still a idiot. Protoss players who switch to terran say the exact same thing...
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On October 17 2010 23:48 ozzymoto wrote:ah, another wow fanboy QQ'ing... It's fine L2P all your claims are based on fiction and your own imagination. Fail post.. Really.. play more games. And if you're not happy with your race, just switch...
I'm a 1800 Pt Diamond Protoss With 1,000 games played,
I've also never played WoW, the warcraft refrence i made was Wc3 tft.
Also there is a reason i kept Zerg out of this post, a lot of you are comparing Z to P
I mearly brought up Zerg just because that was where blizzard's attention was at the moment. With the recent patch's I think its still too early to analyze Z v P, at least from our point of view. Only IdrA, CooL, Tester and people of that level can really be the only ones that can comment on it.
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I've played a bunch of toss at a diamond level and all I ca say is that at 1300~diamond toss is easier than terran except for terrans who dropship harass which is ridiculously good. And versus Zerg i think it's pretty balanced I'd favor zerg until late game and toss in late game. The lings are just incredible vs toss early if you get enough out and he hasn't build a tight as wall they can wreck the game. This is quite easy to get around though but mutas are even worse muta harass is pretty damn efficent versus toss. At a high level where people handle drops better though I'd say toss is really strong. It's pretty much the strength of the marauder that makes the terran a bit favored vs toss.
And zergs I think it's the most balanced matchup but as I said zerg is stronger early and toss gets stronger throughout the game.
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On October 17 2010 23:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Wtf are you talking about? Clump up mutas against a thor and they evaporate in seconds. The terran only has to stim/kite away from banelings which is not all that hard unless they get fungal growthed by an 80 hp unit the zerg has to micro into place.
I really had to laugh out loud as i read this. So, if the zerg makes a mistake and clumps its mutas, they die faster. Thats true.
But with marines, which clump much easier than mutas AND die faster to banelings, the terran ONLY needs to stim and run, avoid infestors and find a way to not lose all units left behind to lings/mutas.
Of course thats much easier than hold position over thors and a-move with banelings.
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Cannon rushing works hard on low levels...
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On October 17 2010 23:51 BetterFasterStronger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:42 ichangedmyname wrote:On October 17 2010 23:22 Thunderfist wrote:OP has no idea what he's talking about. Did u even played anything beside protoss ? What vOddy (top200 US zerg) said about protoss: I can't believe how fucking easy this race is. I'm a Zerg player, and I decided to offrace Protoss for the lulz. Guess what happens? From 1600 points to 1700. LOL. I am not a P player, so why am I not getting my ass kicked?
When I switched from Terran to Zerg I lost 150 points and my win % dropped to 50%. Now that I am playing Protoss it's as if I had always been playing them.
If you are a Protoss player, you have no fucking idea how spoiled you are. StarCraft 2 is a much harder game than you know.
Here's whole thread from GR.org: http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=680617 Well that's official. There's a single no name American Zerg who won a few matches on ladder with Protoss. Easiest race in the game, DISCOVERED! The whole debate is stupid. So Protoss = Easy to be decent at =/= Easy =/= OP. Ya dig? How do i not know what I'm talking about... i said protoss mechanics were easier to understand. However that zerg is still a idiot. Protoss players who switch to terran say the exact same thing...
One player can say anything they want. I swapped races with a Z friend (both 1600+) and beat him with mutaling, then won playing Z against their T. What of it? Does that mean Z mechanics are the easiest?
Way too much assumption and theorycraft here.
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Top 50 Orc player on WC3 USEast. Went Terran in SC2.
fuck the haters
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On October 18 2010 00:02 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:50 Ryalnos wrote:
Wtf are you talking about? Clump up mutas against a thor and they evaporate in seconds. The terran only has to stim/kite away from banelings which is not all that hard unless they get fungal growthed by an 80 hp unit the zerg has to micro into place.
I really had to laugh out loud as i read this. So, if the zerg makes a mistake and clumps its mutas, they die faster. Thats true. But with marines, which clump much easier than mutas AND die faster to banelings, the terran ONLY needs to stim and run, avoid infestors and find a way to not lose all units left behind to lings/mutas. Of course thats much easier than hold position over thors and a-move with banelings.
Dunno i found zerg micro hardest of all races. Those who say zerg just a-moves and wins with superior amount of units never played zerg.
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On October 17 2010 22:50 Tone_ wrote:It takes less skill to win with muta ling vs a t with thor marine or vs a toss with stalker zeal.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh wow, that's the most hilarious thing I've heard all week. Almost spit up my drink laughing.
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On October 17 2010 23:27 agtemd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:08 Grummler wrote:On October 17 2010 22:54 Acritter wrote:
You're also ignoring the fact that about 30% of all players should be playing Zerg, and that 20% or 22% shows that they are underpowered. 20% Zerg players shows, that there are less Zerg players then Protoss/Terran. Everything else is an assumption you made. Why is everyone ignoring the offical numbers? I mean PvT: 49.6% PvZ: 52.8% TvZ: 49.6% doesnt look to bad for any race. Protoss seems to be the strongest atm, but i am pretty sure thats because of all these proxy cannon rushes in PvZ. Source And why are there less zerg players? Why does zerg have to work twice as much to be just as effective as P or T? Has anyone here thought that there are less zerg players because of the mechanically demanding skills to win as zerg?
Uh oh, one race is harder to play than the other.
Just in case you weren't around for BW, this is how it was in BW as well. T was much more mechanically demanding than either P or Z at the lower levels. You can't make three distinct and unique races without there being some kind of gap in what skills are required to effectively play as that race. It's simply unreasonable to expect otherwise.
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It's a decent read and there are a couple of good points.....BUT u lack good evidence and the fact that you're basically talking a lot about lower level play just makes this argument useless. The game is balanced around high level play because that's where the true potential of each race is shown.
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On October 18 2010 00:35 EliteAzn wrote:
It's a decent read and there are a couple of good points.....BUT u lack good evidence and the fact that you're basically talking a lot about lower level play just makes this argument useless. The game is balanced around high level play because that's where the true potential of each race is shown.
Actually blizzard said the Voidray nerf was because Protoss were winning to much in the lower leagues. This thread is just in response to that.
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On October 17 2010 23:48 Grummler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:37 TeWy wrote:
The only effective statistical method to proof whether a race is imba or not, is to compare the overall ratio at {all levels} and/or {platinum-diamond} ... with their ratio at the TOP.
Why? Plz stop making things up. Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 23:37 TeWy wrote:
The MU statistics of a whole division makes no sense whatsoever and no knowledge can be extracted from them for obvious reasons. Well, first of all these numbers are from a whole league not division. And then your statement is completly wrong. PLEASE tell me these obvious reasons. And you should write Blizzard an email, because they seem to make the same mistake as me posting these numbers on their offical newssite talking about balance.
I wouldn't waste my time explaining complex statistical methods to people who don't seem to understand the necessity to take into account the overall race's ratio at different division/league instead of simply counting how many X are on the TOP ? and comparing it with other races.
It is obvious if you have a decent mathematical intuition.
And I explained in the second part of my message (that you just cut for some reasons) why it was stupid to believe that the MU statistics of a given league is not meaningless in terms of balance.
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Hungary11279 Posts
This is like community / accessibility theory crafting. Closing.
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