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AyJay

1515 Posts

October 16 2010 11:45 GMT

#61

On October 16 2010 20:31 nekuodah wrote:

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Really? he did improve as the gsl went on but i still think he lacked alot of knowledge.

Tasteless WAS best BW caster ever

I'm so sad he can't live up to quality in GSL. PROVE ME WRONG TASTELESS

edit: also if this was day9 I wouldn't blame him for talking too much because co-caster doesn't know anything

davidcroda

United States7 Posts

October 16 2010 11:49 GMT

#62

I totally agree with the OP. I think some of the popularity of his daily's has gone to his head.

It got really popular because he was giving out quality strategic information that wasn't readily available elsewhere. But now it seems like every day is a "theme" day and Day9 spends most of the time giggling at his own jokes and talking funny.

I enjoy the cast for the most part, but they seem like they are getting less and less useful and more of just a way to kill time. I hope he realizes this and gets back to his roots because the cast can be a great source of invaluable information. That is why so many people watch it, not because 10k people love staring at his face.

It doesn't help when 9k of the people in chat are just drooling all over you though

Flanlord

265 Posts

October 16 2010 11:50 GMT

#63

I've really enjoyed Day[9]'s casting at live events, as well as the Dailies he's kindly been doing for the community.

When I saw him casting King of the Beta with JP, I thought there was a heavier leaning on Day[9]'s side, but that it was fairly fitting for the event, and worked as a good dynamic as Day[9] has insane amounts of SC knowledge and can really accurately predict outcomes of battles and guess the next step, while JP offers some amazing color commentary and bounce-back discussion.

At MLG Raleigh we saw that pairing again, and again I found myself enjoying the commentary, it was to the point, and entertaining.

At Raleigh we also saw him paired with HD and Husky. Both of whom seemed to be almost uncomfortable or nervous, as they were quiet compared to JP. But it wasn't like Day[9] was 'hogging' the air time, it got to the point that during many of the games he had to outright ask them something to get them involved in the cast. (More so for HD than Husky.) (This seemed super awkward and is something you will almost never see in balanced caster pairings.)

What I like about Day[9] is that he knows what he is talking about, and I think him playing as random really helps that a lot. I can't stand some other casters who don't know as much, don't play at the level Day[9] usually does, and have it influence their commentary. It got to the point where I can't watch HD's casts because each time he says "I really don't understand why he's doing this." or "I really disagree with this." and it is something you see frequently from top-end players, or an obvious tech change. (~I don't understand why he's getting those corrupters... ...Oh he's morphing in brood lords!)

TL:DR version:
I like Day[9]'s casting, I think the co-casting issues I've seen/heard haven't really been on his side of the pairings I've heard. When the other caster is comfortable with Day[9] it generally makes for a great cast, but sometimes they seem awkward or uncomfortable and it just gets bad.

dtz

5834 Posts

October 16 2010 12:04 GMT

#64

i don't think he is purposely hogging. I think he just wants to deliver the best experience to the viewers. The final product is what matters even if it means his co-casters does not talk a lot. Usually , it is either because they cannot keep up with him or is just saying redundant stuff.

Paired with co-casters like djWheat, there was not any such problem because djWheat is such a veteran with good skill, knowledge and charm. The combo with JP also works to a certain extent. I am also sure if he casted with Artosis, no such "hogging problem" will exist. I remembered Chill being a good co-caster as well. So i think it is the other co-casters that is lacking.

So i think the ball is on the cocasters to improve and not drag day9 down.

Cybren

United States206 Posts

October 16 2010 12:06 GMT

#65

I didn't see any of his casts with hd or husky but I never really saw any flaws with his casting with Jo or wheat. I always thought That they intentionally were setting him up or throwing to him. With dapollo at iem, there was some trouble but it still didn't seem that bad

kasumimi

Greece460 Posts

October 16 2010 12:06 GMT

#66

On October 16 2010 20:45 AyJay wrote:

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Tasteless WAS best BW caster ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkvHI0Jdl2g&p=EECA97B0DBF383E5

I'm so sad he can't live up to quality in GSL. PROVE ME WRONG TASTELESS

edit: also if this was day9 I wouldn't blame him for talking too much because co-caster doesn't know anything

Watching this stream when it was live made me start playing BW and never stop. Tasteless was by far the most SICK commentator and I find it very demoralizing to see him making into a "job". His passion is gone he's just in it for the $$$ now. You can tell he doesn't play the game like he used to and you can tell he doesn't have the same love he had for SC1.

On topic, day9 is so good I wish he was casting alone tbh :< or maybe just with Chill.

Pholon

Netherlands6142 Posts

October 16 2010 12:11 GMT

#67

What do you expect would happen when you put sc savant Day next to Gunrun and dApollo who, although they're both awesome guys, are on a completely different plane of existence when it comes to SC understanding.

Wolfpox

Canada164 Posts

October 16 2010 12:12 GMT

#68

I just keep in mind that Day9 was like this relatively unknown nerd who probably had typical self esteem and everything, and then just exploded into popularity beyond belief, with people practically worshiping him -- so he may think he's just giving people what they want, or gets caught up with it.

Frankly I think the irrational fanboyism surrounding him is the problem, he's a great guy and has good insight but I wouldnt be surprised if it just created this inflated ego. I certainly got the impression he was self-absorbed during the IEG interview

Jhax

Ireland201 Posts

October 16 2010 12:14 GMT

#69

hes probably just used to casting his own daily's which is understandable. Day[9] is an awesome caster and although his co casting skills aren't 100% right now they will improve as he does it more.

Jenslyn87

Denmark527 Posts

October 16 2010 12:15 GMT

#70

To some extent I agree... I still think he's an extremely entertaining and knowledgeable caster, but the OP does have a point

d20

United States17 Posts

October 16 2010 12:17 GMT

#71

Day[9] was a BroodWar pro and although not active in the SC2 pro scene, is almost assuredly a far better player than any of his co-casters. This provides him with more game sense and insight than whomever is casting with him. The best co-caster is someone who can tactfully and effortlessly save the other person from appearing unknowledgeable, and I believe his doing more than 50% of the talking is accomplishing that.

I think that the more experienced and knowledgeable about Starcraft his co-caster is, the more they will appear on equal footing in terms of casting.

Plott brothers co-casting in the future please. <33

kataa

United Kingdom384 Posts

October 16 2010 12:18 GMT

#72

Personally when he's casting with people who know as little about SC as dApollo, Huskey and HD, I'm quite happy for him to never allow them to talk, ever. If this is in fact his ego, or just his nerdy insecurity, I don't give a damn. Day9 is actually informative and still funny and charismatic, he's like the child of Tastless and Artosis - which is kind of a creepy thing to say now that I think about it.

I still remember from last MLG, when HD admited he plays only about 'one game a week' and Day9 just spent the rest of the cast laughing at him off and on. Seriously, if you're going to comment on Starcraft, you should be passionate about the game, not passionate about your e-fame. Day9 is far less guilty of this than HD and Huskey.

Lennon

United Kingdom2275 Posts

October 16 2010 12:19 GMT

#73

Everyone gets big-headed in the spotlight.
Day[9] is one of few who can actually keep it together legitimately.

Grond

599 Posts

October 16 2010 12:21 GMT

#74

Obviously the answer is to have Day 9 and Tasteless co-cast. Then any issues can be settled in the time honored brotherly tradition. Fisticuffs.

Emon_

3925 Posts

October 16 2010 12:21 GMT

#75

When JP or Apollo/Any other caster make 100 episodes detailing their SC knowledge and history, then this case can be made. Until then they stand in the shadow of Day9 unless their name is Artosis, Idra, Tasteless - you get the picture. If you're making the case that dApollo is on the same level as Day9 knowledge wise, I wanna see your evidence. Let the man do what he loves and spend more effort on the OP if you're going to criticize. Where are the examples? You read about one question from Carnac and decided to make a hen out of a feather.

Beyonder

Netherlands15103 Posts

October 16 2010 12:22 GMT

#76

On October 16 2010 21:21 Grond wrote:
Obviously the answer is to have Day 9 and Tasteless co-cast. Then any issues can be settled in the time honored brotherly tradition. Fisticuffs.

Day9 and Tasteless are like Sasuke and Naruto. Someday, they will meet, and it will be epic.

RainWhisper

United Arab Emirates333 Posts

October 16 2010 12:23 GMT

#77

Call me an optimist or naive but i think Day9 not only loves the game and knows whats going on inside out, he also wants people watching to know whats going on. As he knows he is co casting, he tries to talk faster to let all that knowledge get to the viewers really fast, the fact that he talks faster shows that hes not TRYING to hog the mic, hes trying to get away with saying all that he wants to point out.

Special Endrey

Germany1929 Posts

October 16 2010 12:23 GMT

#78

even tho he takes more time to say his stuff, itss till good, becasue he knows what hes talking about ... it would be too mechanical if in a co cast for example both players have around 50% talking time it would get boring quite fast have each person talking 30 seconds

i think its absolutly ok if casters dont have equal talking time, as long as they know what they are talking about / are entertaining the crowd

MrSexington

United States1768 Posts

October 16 2010 12:33 GMT

#79

I think it's a little bit of both.

He needs to do a better job with finding a balance with his co-casters. But sometimes his co-casters just aren't that good or maybe they're just not a good mix with him.

At Raleigh, HD and Husky looked very nervous. I think this was fine since it was their first time doing it live (and everyone has to start somewhere). They just didn't know how to carry a live show and fill in dead air time while dealing with the production crew. (That's what it seemed like anyway. I wasn't there.) And I'm not just talking about the times when they were paired with Day9. When they were together there were some really awkward pauses throughout, especially when there wasn't a game on.

TheGunrun at IEM was a different problem, I think. I didn't watch all of it, but from what little I watched there almost literally wasn't a single time he spoke up when the conversation didn't go something like this:

Day9: [blah blah blah]
TheGunrun: Yeah, [blah blah blah]. Definitely. Definitely.
TheGunrun: *chuckles*

Day9 would say something about the game, end on a joke or observation, and then pause for TheGunrun to jump in. TheGunrun would then just repeat that last little joke or observation, say, "yeah", "definitely", chuckle, or a combination of those three. You could tell that he was reaching for something more to add or he was reaching to add his own spin on a joke, but it just wasn't coming. And then Day9 would just jump back in.

Then again;

After watching the Tasteless video above, I wouldn't mind just having Day9 with a pretty girl with a cute voice co-casting with him.

mcc

Czech Republic4646 Posts

October 16 2010 12:34 GMT

#80

On October 16 2010 20:21 Beyonder wrote:
I think I agree. I love the guy and I love it when he casts, but in my opinion he needs to switch between roles based upon his caster/co-caster. And his 'ah ah' and then total topic switches between what he wants to say are a bit awkward

Still such a great caster though, but there's some room for improvement

Concerning the 'ah ah', I think he does that mostly when he is doing some parallel stuff, like talking to the players in the lobby and similar, it is not easy to talk to two sets of people at the same time

Sometimes it happens also while commenting the game when he gets into his thoughts about something new he never saw before and he seems to forget he is casting and starts to think about this new exciting intellectual problem. And he should work on this, but it happens reasonably rarely.

And yeah he seems to have small problem with taking the spotlight, but I don't think it is some ego thing, he just has to get used to his co-casters which is hard when it is someone else every event.

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