On October 16 2010 20:06 Motion wrote: I love Day[9] and I'm sure everybody loves him, yes indeed...
He said several times, that his casting is for the community, which is quite noble imo. After this #100 Daily i was sure, he is a boy with so much passion for the game, that the passion overwhelms him. The logic output of this huge amount of love for SC was his personal daily show! I guess thats why i love him so much, for doing straight what he loves with so much real passion! Not this faked passion like from "HD" (sorry but thats my opinion)
But since the King of the Beta event i found another side of Day[9]. First i thought he is totally freaking out because of the crowd ... but since then, he continues with strange behavior.
When he is "co-commentating" i always feel like Day[9] wants to be in the spotlight. He often never ends his part, so that the other commentator has to wait several minutes to say at least one word and then when Day[9] stops, he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
Carnac aked him at the Comic Con about "enjoying himself", because he makes every day a Daily. I mean it has to be the combination of having so much passion and "to wanna be on spotlight", to create every day an show! This would be totally fine for me, but his behavior with other casters then JP, is sometimes really bad or am i wrong?
Day9 is excellent. And so are your notes on his behaviour: accourate description. Especialy the "ah ah" part. Maybe somebody should tell him.
On October 16 2010 21:11 Pholon wrote: What do you expect would happen when you put sc savant Day next to Gunrun and dApollo who, although they're both awesome guys, are on a completely different plane of existence when it comes to SC understanding.
It's not about SC understanding as it is about personality and charisma. When Day[9] is co-casting with someone like JP/TheGunrun the whole thing is painful to listen to, but yesterday it was interesting to note that when he was joined by DjWheat he immediately stepped up his sentence construction quality. DjWheat is conveying this aura of casual behavior and genuine nerd enjoyment that receptive guy like Day[9], immediately picks it up and carries it on to new heights.
The casters i would prefer in future tournaments: Day[9], DjWheat, Chill, Husky.
P.S. I don't know if the tournament organization is forcing casters to fake hype things, but i really would like it to stop. Like saying something bland as Protoss Wall-in with this stressed out voice, or other pretty ordinary things. They should explain them, but not in a way they are doing it now. Also i would like if the casters would allow themselves to get more often on the nerdy train thought and deviate from the game with stories or jokes.
I watch a lot of Wheat's shows, and he always has something to say about the latest tournament's commentary. Yesterdays performance from him was exactly the kind of commentary starcraft II needs, concise, interesting, no babbling, no foulmouthing, no dead air filling and no trolling.
I do not think that Day9 is trying to hog the spotlight, it is way harder to cocast than one might think.
Do you ever wonder why you see the same 2 people cast NFL games on each network. Like seriously the same people all the time. It is because it takes some time to get used to your partner to be able to step in at the perfect time or stop talking at the right time when you sense that the cocaster has something to say.
This sort of chemistry takes time to build up, and day9 does not have the opportunity to cast many games (as many as he casts himself) with other people. So what happens? the more confident person who feels like their input is crucial speaks more. I think that is what we are seeing not day9 trying to hog the spotlight.
On October 16 2010 20:49 davidcroda wrote: I totally agree with the OP. I think some of the popularity of his daily's has gone to his head.
It got really popular because he was giving out quality strategic information that wasn't readily available elsewhere. But now it seems like every day is a "theme" day and Day9 spends most of the time giggling at his own jokes and talking funny.
I enjoy the cast for the most part, but they seem like they are getting less and less useful and more of just a way to kill time. I hope he realizes this and gets back to his roots because the cast can be a great source of invaluable information. That is why so many people watch it, not because 10k people love staring at his face.
It doesn't help when 9k of the people in chat are just drooling all over you though
100% agree with you.
I went from "a noob who never played an rts before" to "a decent zerg player (1300 diamond)" thanks to him ( and tl.net in general).
I've recently lost interest in his dailies. Yes he's an awesome guy and its always fun to see him, but it feels like he lost something that other caster don't have: deep understanding of the game and quality strategic advices.
I don't know if he's enjoying him to much but i think he sould play more and do less fundaymonday things if he wants to stay a caster with a deep knowledge of the game.
Don't get me wrong, funday monday is cool, but i wouldnt cry if its one time a month.
On October 16 2010 21:40 Usurper wrote: P.S. I don't know if the tournament organization is forcing casters to fake hype things, but i really would like it to stop. Like saying something bland as Protoss Wall-in with this stressed out voice, or other pretty ordinary things.
I think Artosis is the master of this:
"And... here comes the proXY STARGATE from the scOUTING PROBE!"
*pause*
"Oh wait, he must have mis-clicked."
Haha.
For some reason, I don't mind when Artosis does it. It's like he's in on the joke.
On October 16 2010 20:12 Toxiferous wrote: That's terrible speculative pseudo-psychology
Day9 is by far the most insightful casters, ..
Lol, he does not even compete with Artosis in terms of knowledge. Day9 is pretty annoying if you ask me, and yes, his co-casting skills are horrible, I think he can cast alone without much issues.
I dont think that this is because he wants to be in the spotlight, maybe he just feels he have so much to say.
I think you're are just misreading his intentions. Part of what makes him such a good caster is that he doesn't let those awkward silences creep in. That happens to a lot of casters (you can say that without naming names) and not surprisingly so, since it is insanely difficult to keep up intelligent conversation non-stop, especially at a live event (if you don't believe me just record yourself commentating once - it's really hard to not go silent for a little bit. For viewers of the daily you'll know that that doesn't happen a lot with sean - he fills his thought breaks with something else (sometimes he takes a drink while he gathers his thoughts, sometimes he just points out that he's lost and laughs at it) and it makes him really good at commanding your attention. One thing that is really difficult when co-casting is that somehow, both casters need to provide input, but they can never leave these awkward silences out or it absolutely kills the mood - this is the really difficult part about casting. You need two people with exactly matching personalities and speaking patterns or you'll end up with either one person taking the reins and the other sitting back, or too many dead periods where neither caster is speaking.
Also, I'm personally very glad the guy is enjoying himself - he puts a lot of work into the community, and there's a whole lot of pressure on him each time he is late or does something wrong, and that can be so stressful. You're making it seem like he's gone mad with power, but really, if all you're reading out of this is that he enjoys casting - be glad. I for one think he deserves it.
OP is out of line. The guy puts in a huge effort by making a 100 dailys shows, he educates the whole community, and you accuse him of enjoying the spotlight. If he talks a bit more it's because he's the primary caster and quite frankly I'd rather listen to Day 9 anyway.
You guys have to remember that he has just barely begun his casting career and he will eventually get rid of what I'd like to consider 'nervous habits'. You can occasionally sense some awkwardness when he is cocasting (but this isn't his comfort zone). His casts are always entertaining and almost always factually spot on.
Hope he doesn't read this thread and then become self-conscious, he's really got a bright future ahead of him and things will only improve from here.
i never really 'love' day9 like everyone else. i mean, comon, his video is like about at least 45mins, it is actually kinda painful to watch - spending at least 30mins of looking at a dude (he really have no reason to keep showing his face all the time)? it is always seems to me that he is an attention seeking wh*re, he has too much rubbish/off-topic/bad jokes to talk about in his videos, and all his videos can really be cut into a clean 20mins or less. presentation wise, he still has a long way to go imo.
i enjoy psystarcraft, husky, hdstarcrafts' nicely edited length videos more. they are way more relaxing and entertaining to watch. psy did a good job in teaching us zerg in game (i am a zerg so i can be biased here ). If i really wanna learn for my game, i go dl replays and observe every details of it.
on his caster role, i agree that he is one of the best casters out there. his live cast is excellent. he should also lower down his protoss/terran love abit when he is in a big tourney.
I think that his unlimited passion for the game overall is what makes him exceptional as a caster.
So i think i would answer "No" to your question. I think it's fine. I don't really have any criticism of hes casting / videos either, I'm happy with them as they are.
I can understand that someone may not like it, but it's a matter of taste. There's plenty of other casters to enjoy and your time is better spent enjoying them than complaining about this one.
To be honest I think he's to good. He needs to be a little more newbie friendly when he has people less talented and less knowledgeable co-casting with him.
I'm pretty sure him and Tasteless/Artosis would be very high level
EPT
). If i really wanna learn for my game, i go dl replays and observe every details of it.
