I love Day[9] and I'm sure everybody loves him, yes indeed...
He said several times, that his casting is for the community, which is quite noble imo. After this #100 Daily i was sure, he is a boy with so much passion for the game, that the passion overwhelms him. The logic output of this huge amount of love for SC was his personal daily show! I guess thats why i love him so much, for doing straight what he loves with so much real passion! Not this faked passion like from "HD" (sorry but thats my opinion)
But since the King of the Beta event i found another side of Day[9]. First i thought he is totally freaking out because of the crowd ... but since then, he continues with strange behavior.
When he is "co-commentating" i always feel like Day[9] wants to be in the spotlight. He often never ends his part, so that the other commentator has to wait several minutes to say at least one word and then when Day[9] stops, he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
Carnac aked him at the Comic Con about "enjoying himself", because he makes every day a Daily. I mean it has to be the combination of having so much passion and "to wanna be on spotlight", to create every day an show! This would be totally fine for me, but his behavior with other casters then JP, is sometimes really bad or am i wrong?
Day9 is by far the most insightful casters, anyone else is more to string things along which is quite obvious to me in the casts. I cringe at hearing some of JPs game analysis but he does great at throwing back and forth with Day
its not too bad, ever listen to HoN casts? Breaky talks alot, but when he gives his cocasters a chance to talk, it takes them like 2 minutes to say anything, so you get this huge gaping silence. Its so stupid =/ but ill forgive it cause Breaky is awesome.
Day should hog the spotlight, hes head and shoulders above everyone else in casting out in america. I think the only one who could rival him right now is his brother and maybe Artosis (who really stepped up his casting with the last GSL season)
Day and Chill were a great combo though I found, Chill got his points in and didnt feel either were overstepping the other at anytime
The cocasting thing I think is more because of his passion. He talks as quickly as he thinks (for anyone, you generally think faster than you talk) and he tends to go more on rants than anything. He's obviously excited about the games quite often.
Whether he wants to be in the spotlight? A definitive yes, imo. He likes that a lot, but it's also because he just enjoys the game and what he does quite a bit. It's a combination of both, as you said, but I'm pretty sure that he's not intentionally trying to steal the show. I've heard him apologize mid-cast about what he realizes is too much talking compared to his co-caster.
Let's also not forget - he's not a professional caster. He's just a player who can talk well and with an animated voice (something many newbie casters lack) and therefore rolled into casting. He probably needs to find some comfort co-casting, considering all the daylies he's done by himself.
Watch Friendday Wednesday, see hos he is there - he's trying to push his guest into the spotlight and asks deliberate questions to try and get a full and honest answer. Or so I feel.
i think it always starts out with someone loving what they do, then once u get attention and after a while u will start to like it more and more im not saying day9 likes this attention more than the passion for the game im just saying its common and u shouldnt blame someone for getting this, its normal for a human to like it alot
i think the mainreason he tends to suck up all dead air (even if its just for a second) is because hes so used to doing it by himself having nobody around him to cocast with him. so in this dead air that the other guy is supposed to pick up he simply just keeps going because hes amazing at solocasting, this dead air is what often makes solocasting so hard but day9 always having something good to say ^^
i love day9 but id like him to think extra much about stretching this dead air time out whenever he is done talking about something, just to give his cocaster a nice time to pick it up again.
chill and day9 in tsl2 were great but since than day9 started with this sounds everytime the other caster is talking about anything...its quite disturbing...
Day9 is amazing, i don't think he enjoys himself too much at all. Him being so hyper active, happy and passionate makes his dailies/casts different from the others.
He shouldn't change anything, he is doing a great job just as it is.
You have a point, but if this is a part of his personality and what makes him great to the community, it's worth it. I think you might be focusing too hard on him.
On October 16 2010 20:06 Motion wrote: I love Day[9] and I'm sure everybody loves him, yes indeed...
He said several times, that his casting is for the community, which is quite noble imo. After this #100 Daily i was sure, he is a boy with so much passion for the game, that the passion overwhelms him. The logic output of this huge amount of love for SC was his personal daily show! I guess thats why i love him so much, for doing straight what he loves with so much real passion! Not this faked passion like from "HD" (sorry but thats my opinion)
But since the King of the Beta event i found another side of Day[9]. First i thought he is totally freaking out because of the crowd ... but since then, he continues with strange behavior.
When he is "co-commentating" i always feel like Day[9] wants to be in the spotlight. He often never ends his part, so that the other commentator has to wait several minutes to say at least one word and then when Day[9] stops, he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
Carnac aked him at the Comic Con about "enjoying himself", because he makes every day a Daily. I mean it has to be the combination of having so much passion and "to wanna be on spotlight", to create every day an show! This would be totally fine for me, but his behavior with other casters then JD, is sometimes really bad or am i wrong?
I suggest you watch Poker strategy TSL games..all of them(even though Day[9] doesnt cast them all)Especially the finals and you will see that he doesn't have that much of a problem with co-casting himself...rather this co-csaters can't keep up with him..
When there's someone as good as Day9 to co-cast with in the US, I'm sure this won't happen. As it stands, virtually everyone he has casted with has just been filling time/letting Day catch his breath.
There are two kinds of commentator. The Entertainer (e.g. the german HomerJ) and the ingame-skilled based (e.g. TaKe from ESL.tv).
BUT Day9 is an Entertainer AND an absolutly unbelievable ingame-skilled based commentator.
So that's the matter and it's a shame that you have to discuss this. Don't do this, none is as great as he is. And maybe after thousand threads with this kind of discuss he ask himself "Why I do this?". So plz. stop this bullshit. He's just as fine as he is.
None got the quality of him, that's the point why nobody else is cocasting.
I really appreciate everything Day9 does for the community but I really would like to see him work on his co-casting and maybe tone down the giddiness.
On October 16 2010 20:06 Motion wrote: I love Day[9] and I'm sure everybody loves him, yes indeed...
He said several times, that his casting is for the community, which is quite noble imo. After this #100 Daily i was sure, he is a boy with so much passion for the game, that the passion overwhelms him. The logic output of this huge amount of love for SC was his personal daily show! I guess thats why i love him so much, for doing straight what he loves with so much real passion! Not this faked passion like from "HD" (sorry but thats my opinion)
But since the King of the Beta event i found another side of Day[9]. First i thought he is totally freaking out because of the crowd ... but since then, he continues with strange behavior.
When he is "co-commentating" i always feel like Day[9] wants to be in the spotlight. He often never ends his part, so that the other commentator has to wait several minutes to say at least one word and then when Day[9] stops, he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
Carnac aked him at the Comic Con about "enjoying himself", because he makes every day a Daily. I mean it has to be the combination of having so much passion and "to wanna be on spotlight", to create every day an show! This would be totally fine for me, but his behavior with other casters then JD, is sometimes really bad or am i wrong?
I suggest you watch Poker strategy TSL games..all of them(even though Day[9] doesnt cast them all)Especially the finals and you will see that he doesn't have that much of a problem with co-casting himself...rather this co-csaters can't keep up with him..
Day[9] and Chill best combo ever.
Well, Chill is something else. He doesn't want to prove anything with his casting, he's not waiting to cast, when he has something funny or anything really to say he just does it. People are scared when casting by day9, chill is not. Same with incontrol, I'd love to see that.
I like his cocasts but I guess its not really his style anymore when you cast 5 days a week alone with a webcam. You get used to just say whatever comes to mind.
Also if you have a different cocaster everytime it´s hard to get to know each other and sync the cast better.
Anyways day9 is awesome as a solo caster but tastosis are the best duo I know so far.
Day9 only talks alot because the other caster is nowhere near as insightful and articulate as him. When it was Chill + Day9 it was fine. Day9 + Wheat is also awesome.
On October 16 2010 20:13 Skyze wrote: its not too bad, ever listen to HoN casts? Breaky talks alot, but when he gives his cocasters a chance to talk, it takes them like 2 minutes to say anything, so you get this huge gaping silence. Its so stupid =/ but ill forgive it cause Breaky is awesome.
Day should hog the spotlight, hes head and shoulders above everyone else in casting out in america. I think the only one who could rival him right now is his brother and maybe Artosis (who really stepped up his casting with the last GSL season)
Day and Chill were a great combo though I found, Chill got his points in and didnt feel either were overstepping the other at anytime
Agree with this 100%, was about to post something very similar then I read this and it sums it up pretty well
Day9 indeed tends to speak a lot, but thus far i've rarely seen him paired with a really really good co-caster. They always seem to know less about the game and have trouble finding something day9 hasnt said.
It would be really interresting to see him paired with either Tasteless or Artosis, because they know the game really well and they know how to impose themselves.
well you guys are making some really good points and i agree 100% that we should not blame him at all, i hope that this will adjust his feet more to the ground.
I think I agree. I love the guy and I love it when he casts, but in my opinion he needs to switch between roles based upon his caster/co-caster. And his 'ah ah' and then total topic switches between what he wants to say are a bit awkward
Still such a great caster though, but there's some room for improvement
On October 16 2010 20:21 Roggay wrote: Day9 indeed tends to speak a lot, but thus far i've never seen him paired with a really really good co-caster. They always seem to know less about the game and have trouble finding something day9 hasnt said.
It would be really interresting to see him paired with either Tasteless or Artosis, because they know the game really well and they know how to impose themselves.
They also go off on random inconsequential tangents if Day9 doesn't cut them off on some point. If Day9 didn't cast the way he does, the casts would have lots of periods of just boring less than interesting drivel
djWHEAT can handle Day9 just fine but he is the only one so far. Day9 really need to understand that he isn't sitting alone in his apartment when he cast tournaments.
On October 16 2010 20:10 Kaasflipje wrote: Can never enjoy yourself too much.
Born to Shine – by Nelson Mandela – Inaugural speech 1994.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn’t serve the world. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It’s not just in some of us, it’s in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.
*****
And thats kinda resume what i think... he is a awesome person, but not because he know LOT n LOT about starcraft, not because his manners (wich are great), or how hi share his wisdom... he is awesome because he loves what he do, and isnt afraid to shine... How manny of you got inspired to be better players after watch a few of his vid? (i showed them to some friends of mine who used to hate SC2 and now they are buying the game :p), and i wouldnt be surprised he inspired to other thing ass well not starcraft related, just by loving the game and what he does so much
Day9 is not at fault here, his co casters are taking a backseat and let the guy run them over because they know what he says is 90% of times better than what they would ever have said. They take over to give him a breather etc but most of the time its the co caster that has decided to let day9 take the spotlight and not the other way around.
On October 16 2010 20:24 Madkipz wrote: Day9 is not at fault here, his co casters are taking a backseat and let the guy run them over because they know what he says is 90% of times better than what they would ever have said. They take over to give him a breather etc but most of the time its the co caster that has decided to let day9 take the spotlight and not the other way around.
gotta remember that the people running the Tourney's he's casting could be coaching them this way. Day9 has a hge fanbase and it would be logical for organisers to want him at the forefront. But I could be completly wrong too. also...my spelling is awful i know
On October 16 2010 20:24 Madkipz wrote: Day9 is not at fault here, his co casters are taking a backseat and let the guy run them over because they know what he says is 90% of times better than what they would ever have said. They take over to give him a breather etc but most of the time its the co caster that has decided to let day9 take the spotlight and not the other way around.
I agree with that, really good co-casters know how to impose themselves, but it comes with good game knowledge often time.
On October 16 2010 20:21 Full.tilt wrote: If your co casters are DJ Wheat or JP, you should be talking as much as possible just to shut them up.
This.
Day[9] is great and his input is far superior to the other full-time casters on the scene in the US, if he enjoys doing the dailies for the community that's even better because they're such a great resource of both enthusiasm and content.
On October 16 2010 20:21 Beyonder wrote: I think I agree. I love the guy and I love it when he casts, but in my opinion he needs to switch between roles based upon his caster/co-caster. And his 'ah ah' and then total topic switches between what he wants to say are a bit awkward
Still such a great caster though, but there's some room for improvement
This is the one specific thing that really annoys me about his casts. Sometimes I notice I'm mainly very consciously listening to how Day[9] blends with his co-casters, instead of just enjoying the game, and for me the most noticeable moment is when DJWheat or so makes an observation and then Day[9] says "u-huh, and here we have the zerg just planting down his spawning pool, .. *10 more sentences*" and he doesn't even reply to his co-caster!
I sort of agree, but you have to take into consideration his cocasters first. Lately we've seen him with people of varying casting/voice/mic skill but all with a pretty weak understanding of the game, like Dapollo, JP, Wheat, HD, Gunrun etc. While some of those are phenomenal guys who are great casters, they are all on the lower end of game knowledge, so it could just be that he's not at his best when he feels like he has to tow the line so to speak.
I will say that once the game starts he does tend to have the habit of completely ignoring/disregarding everything the other guy has to say and just sort of doing his day9 daily routine with intermittent breaks where the other guy talks a bit. I wish he'd acknowledge them a bit more, it would spice up the casts and make it feel like it is less pre determined thought processes or recycled Day9 daily advice of the hallmarks of great players
What day9 really needs is a co-caster of comparable on the spot game knowledge that he can actually give the mic to. Tasteless and Artosis do this really well together because they both know what's going on, and what is expected to happen at high levels of play.
I really liked day9 casting with JP and wheat today, but Chill just has that extra something that he can actually ADD to a cast, rather than just supplementing what day9 had already said. I mean really I can't emphasize enough how much better day9 makes a cast, but he carries a lot of weight that I don't think many other foreign caster's are ready for.
I really want to co-opt this thread to say that Chill needs to cast more, he's just pure awesomeness behind the mic. Plus he lives pretty close to my buddy in Alberta, next time I head out there I'm going to get drunk and toss stones at his apartment building at 4am while making cat calls =].
...he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
He does this when he brings people on his daily as well. He is used to being the host who has to think of the schedule. At first I didn't buy it, but beceause he is clearly paying attention to what's being said anyways, and beceause the way he does it doesn't demotivate the guest, I now just see it as his personality.
He's the best caster i've ever heard, and i dont see what the problem is.
Day9/Tasteless or Day9/Artosis would be better suited for eachother, because they are all really great casters, who can sort of balance eachother. Instead he has to cast with people who dont really suit his style that well.
On October 16 2010 20:29 Tachion wrote: What day9 really needs is a co-caster of comparable on the spot game knowledge that he can actually give the mic to. Tasteless and Artosis do this really well together because they both know what's going on, and what is expected to happen at high levels of play.
Really? he did improve as the gsl went on but i still think he lacked alot of knowledge.
The problem is simply that the quality of his cocasters is lacking, though lately they've been trying their best to keep up and it's showing. He sets the bar, and everyone knows it. Combine high level thinking with a competitive drive, a love of StarCraft since birth and you get Day's persona.
You also need to keep in mind that Day cannot play competitively because of his carpal tunnel, and this is the best way for him to contribute to the community he has been a part of since childhood. He really is the heart of eSports. Many casters are simply trying to ride the wave without putting in the effort to actually learn and be good at the game. Day also has the connections with a large percentage of the high level competitive community, and so he's able to stay on top of the ever-changing SC2 scene.
Long story short, is that Day is the fucking man. He has a 12 inch penis, punches babies vigorously in the face for his candy, can bench press a mountain, and Chuck Norris watches over him while he sleeps, forever vigilant to deliver our precious cargo into the new...day.
I've noticed that myself too and often wondered if none of his cocasters said anything about it off air. Last weekend (don't know the name of the event atm) he cocasted with TheGunrun and Day9 was talking most of the time, hardly giving TheGunrun any moments to speak. But, I like TheGunrun a lot and what he has done castingwise, but compared to Day9 he had absolutely nothing to say. When he was able to speak it meant almost nothing compared to what Day9 had to say. I think this goes two ways, Day9 is dominant in his behaviour, but he's also way ahead of the rest compared in gameknowlegde and speaking ability.
Although TheGunrun looked kinda awkward sometimes when Day9 didn't let him talk. I think that's bad, since his cocasters won't like casting with him anymore as time goes by.
I love Day. He needs to relax a little imo. Not from a nerve perspective but from words per minute perspective. He has a love to will everything he does to success, he'd carry a Starcraft broadcast across the sahara if he had to.
As a fan I'd like to see him take some of the load of himself and let someone else do the talking. Save some voice, save some energy. Even if a co-caster says something completely wrong ignore it. Sean himself used to call bisu jaedong and jaedong bisu.
If Day tossed a total softball to JP/Wheat today that lets them talk for 2-3 minutes I'd be a happy happy nerd. IIRC Sean has literally casted and commentated starcraft until a hospital trip for exhaustion, which he of course passed off as "no big thang" or something.
Sean even your fans think you need some more rest and less stress!
In my opinion day9 is fine. From what i've seen when he's paired with JP or wheat, he talks a lot and hogs much attention, but i think both JP and Wheat are fine with this, and they are fine with being second to Day when it comes to commentairy, and rather just supplements Day with bits here and there or throw in a question for Day since he's such in depth of the game. Also when casting with thegunrun this IEM I think he should just talk as much as possible, because his co caster didnt have much insight compared to him.
In conclusion I think the co'casters of Day9 should adapt to him rather, and maybe tell people at home the basics so the newbies can keep up, or just ask Day about certain things about the game to get even more insight from him. He might hog the spotlight, but for the love of god, let him!
He's just used to talking soooooooooo much and filling every gap, so when he has a co-caster, it's hard for him to switch. I think he'll get better with time though.
On October 16 2010 20:33 BadWithNames wrote: I love Day. He needs to relax a little imo. Not from a nerve perspective but from words per minute perspective. He has a love to will everything he does to success, he'd carry a Starcraft broadcast across the sahara if he had to.
As a fan I'd like to see him take some of the load of himself and let someone else do the talking. Save some voice, save some energy. Even if a co-caster says something completely wrong ignore it. Sean himself used to call bisu jaedong and jaedong bisu.
If Day tossed a total softball to JP/Wheat today that lets them talk for 2-3 minutes I'd be a happy happy nerd. IIRC Sean has literally casted and commentated starcraft until a hospital trip for exhaustion, which he of course passed off as "no big thang" or something.
Sean even your fans think you need some more rest and less stress!
Hm, at the end of last week's IEM:NY cast he could barely talk anymore and his voice sounded totally alien.
On October 16 2010 20:29 Tachion wrote: What day9 really needs is a co-caster of comparable on the spot game knowledge that he can actually give the mic to. Tasteless and Artosis do this really well together because they both know what's going on, and what is expected to happen at high levels of play.
Really? he did improve as the gsl went on but i still think he lacked alot of knowledge.
Tasteless WAS best BW caster ever
I'm so sad he can't live up to quality in GSL. PROVE ME WRONG TASTELESS
edit: also if this was day9 I wouldn't blame him for talking too much because co-caster doesn't know anything
I totally agree with the OP. I think some of the popularity of his daily's has gone to his head.
It got really popular because he was giving out quality strategic information that wasn't readily available elsewhere. But now it seems like every day is a "theme" day and Day9 spends most of the time giggling at his own jokes and talking funny.
I enjoy the cast for the most part, but they seem like they are getting less and less useful and more of just a way to kill time. I hope he realizes this and gets back to his roots because the cast can be a great source of invaluable information. That is why so many people watch it, not because 10k people love staring at his face.
It doesn't help when 9k of the people in chat are just drooling all over you though
I've really enjoyed Day[9]'s casting at live events, as well as the Dailies he's kindly been doing for the community.
When I saw him casting King of the Beta with JP, I thought there was a heavier leaning on Day[9]'s side, but that it was fairly fitting for the event, and worked as a good dynamic as Day[9] has insane amounts of SC knowledge and can really accurately predict outcomes of battles and guess the next step, while JP offers some amazing color commentary and bounce-back discussion.
At MLG Raleigh we saw that pairing again, and again I found myself enjoying the commentary, it was to the point, and entertaining.
At Raleigh we also saw him paired with HD and Husky. Both of whom seemed to be almost uncomfortable or nervous, as they were quiet compared to JP. But it wasn't like Day[9] was 'hogging' the air time, it got to the point that during many of the games he had to outright ask them something to get them involved in the cast. (More so for HD than Husky.) (This seemed super awkward and is something you will almost never see in balanced caster pairings.)
What I like about Day[9] is that he knows what he is talking about, and I think him playing as random really helps that a lot. I can't stand some other casters who don't know as much, don't play at the level Day[9] usually does, and have it influence their commentary. It got to the point where I can't watch HD's casts because each time he says "I really don't understand why he's doing this." or "I really disagree with this." and it is something you see frequently from top-end players, or an obvious tech change. (~I don't understand why he's getting those corrupters... ...Oh he's morphing in brood lords!)
TL:DR version: I like Day[9]'s casting, I think the co-casting issues I've seen/heard haven't really been on his side of the pairings I've heard. When the other caster is comfortable with Day[9] it generally makes for a great cast, but sometimes they seem awkward or uncomfortable and it just gets bad.
i don't think he is purposely hogging. I think he just wants to deliver the best experience to the viewers. The final product is what matters even if it means his co-casters does not talk a lot. Usually , it is either because they cannot keep up with him or is just saying redundant stuff.
Paired with co-casters like djWheat, there was not any such problem because djWheat is such a veteran with good skill, knowledge and charm. The combo with JP also works to a certain extent. I am also sure if he casted with Artosis, no such "hogging problem" will exist. I remembered Chill being a good co-caster as well. So i think it is the other co-casters that is lacking.
So i think the ball is on the cocasters to improve and not drag day9 down.
I didn't see any of his casts with hd or husky but I never really saw any flaws with his casting with Jo or wheat. I always thought That they intentionally were setting him up or throwing to him. With dapollo at iem, there was some trouble but it still didn't seem that bad
On October 16 2010 20:29 Tachion wrote: What day9 really needs is a co-caster of comparable on the spot game knowledge that he can actually give the mic to. Tasteless and Artosis do this really well together because they both know what's going on, and what is expected to happen at high levels of play.
Really? he did improve as the gsl went on but i still think he lacked alot of knowledge.
I'm so sad he can't live up to quality in GSL. PROVE ME WRONG TASTELESS
edit: also if this was day9 I wouldn't blame him for talking too much because co-caster doesn't know anything
Watching this stream when it was live made me start playing BW and never stop. Tasteless was by far the most SICK commentator and I find it very demoralizing to see him making into a "job". His passion is gone he's just in it for the $$$ now. You can tell he doesn't play the game like he used to and you can tell he doesn't have the same love he had for SC1.
On topic, day9 is so good I wish he was casting alone tbh :< or maybe just with Chill.
What do you expect would happen when you put sc savant Day next to Gunrun and dApollo who, although they're both awesome guys, are on a completely different plane of existence when it comes to SC understanding.
I just keep in mind that Day9 was like this relatively unknown nerd who probably had typical self esteem and everything, and then just exploded into popularity beyond belief, with people practically worshiping him -- so he may think he's just giving people what they want, or gets caught up with it.
Frankly I think the irrational fanboyism surrounding him is the problem, he's a great guy and has good insight but I wouldnt be surprised if it just created this inflated ego. I certainly got the impression he was self-absorbed during the IEG interview
hes probably just used to casting his own daily's which is understandable. Day[9] is an awesome caster and although his co casting skills aren't 100% right now they will improve as he does it more.
Day[9] was a BroodWar pro and although not active in the SC2 pro scene, is almost assuredly a far better player than any of his co-casters. This provides him with more game sense and insight than whomever is casting with him. The best co-caster is someone who can tactfully and effortlessly save the other person from appearing unknowledgeable, and I believe his doing more than 50% of the talking is accomplishing that.
I think that the more experienced and knowledgeable about Starcraft his co-caster is, the more they will appear on equal footing in terms of casting.
Plott brothers co-casting in the future please. <33
Personally when he's casting with people who know as little about SC as dApollo, Huskey and HD, I'm quite happy for him to never allow them to talk, ever. If this is in fact his ego, or just his nerdy insecurity, I don't give a damn. Day9 is actually informative and still funny and charismatic, he's like the child of Tastless and Artosis - which is kind of a creepy thing to say now that I think about it.
I still remember from last MLG, when HD admited he plays only about 'one game a week' and Day9 just spent the rest of the cast laughing at him off and on. Seriously, if you're going to comment on Starcraft, you should be passionate about the game, not passionate about your e-fame. Day9 is far less guilty of this than HD and Huskey.
When JP or Apollo/Any other caster make 100 episodes detailing their SC knowledge and history, then this case can be made. Until then they stand in the shadow of Day9 unless their name is Artosis, Idra, Tasteless - you get the picture. If you're making the case that dApollo is on the same level as Day9 knowledge wise, I wanna see your evidence. Let the man do what he loves and spend more effort on the OP if you're going to criticize. Where are the examples? You read about one question from Carnac and decided to make a hen out of a feather.
On October 16 2010 21:21 Grond wrote: Obviously the answer is to have Day 9 and Tasteless co-cast. Then any issues can be settled in the time honored brotherly tradition. Fisticuffs.
Day9 and Tasteless are like Sasuke and Naruto. Someday, they will meet, and it will be epic.
Call me an optimist or naive but i think Day9 not only loves the game and knows whats going on inside out, he also wants people watching to know whats going on. As he knows he is co casting, he tries to talk faster to let all that knowledge get to the viewers really fast, the fact that he talks faster shows that hes not TRYING to hog the mic, hes trying to get away with saying all that he wants to point out.
even tho he takes more time to say his stuff, itss till good, becasue he knows what hes talking about ... it would be too mechanical if in a co cast for example both players have around 50% talking time it would get boring quite fast have each person talking 30 seconds
i think its absolutly ok if casters dont have equal talking time, as long as they know what they are talking about / are entertaining the crowd
He needs to do a better job with finding a balance with his co-casters. But sometimes his co-casters just aren't that good or maybe they're just not a good mix with him.
At Raleigh, HD and Husky looked very nervous. I think this was fine since it was their first time doing it live (and everyone has to start somewhere). They just didn't know how to carry a live show and fill in dead air time while dealing with the production crew. (That's what it seemed like anyway. I wasn't there.) And I'm not just talking about the times when they were paired with Day9. When they were together there were some really awkward pauses throughout, especially when there wasn't a game on.
TheGunrun at IEM was a different problem, I think. I didn't watch all of it, but from what little I watched there almost literally wasn't a single time he spoke up when the conversation didn't go something like this:
Day9 would say something about the game, end on a joke or observation, and then pause for TheGunrun to jump in. TheGunrun would then just repeat that last little joke or observation, say, "yeah", "definitely", chuckle, or a combination of those three. You could tell that he was reaching for something more to add or he was reaching to add his own spin on a joke, but it just wasn't coming. And then Day9 would just jump back in.
Then again;
After watching the Tasteless video above, I wouldn't mind just having Day9 with a pretty girl with a cute voice co-casting with him.
On October 16 2010 20:21 Beyonder wrote: I think I agree. I love the guy and I love it when he casts, but in my opinion he needs to switch between roles based upon his caster/co-caster. And his 'ah ah' and then total topic switches between what he wants to say are a bit awkward
Still such a great caster though, but there's some room for improvement
Concerning the 'ah ah', I think he does that mostly when he is doing some parallel stuff, like talking to the players in the lobby and similar, it is not easy to talk to two sets of people at the same time Sometimes it happens also while commenting the game when he gets into his thoughts about something new he never saw before and he seems to forget he is casting and starts to think about this new exciting intellectual problem. And he should work on this, but it happens reasonably rarely.
And yeah he seems to have small problem with taking the spotlight, but I don't think it is some ego thing, he just has to get used to his co-casters which is hard when it is someone else every event.
On October 16 2010 20:06 Motion wrote: I love Day[9] and I'm sure everybody loves him, yes indeed...
He said several times, that his casting is for the community, which is quite noble imo. After this #100 Daily i was sure, he is a boy with so much passion for the game, that the passion overwhelms him. The logic output of this huge amount of love for SC was his personal daily show! I guess thats why i love him so much, for doing straight what he loves with so much real passion! Not this faked passion like from "HD" (sorry but thats my opinion)
But since the King of the Beta event i found another side of Day[9]. First i thought he is totally freaking out because of the crowd ... but since then, he continues with strange behavior.
When he is "co-commentating" i always feel like Day[9] wants to be in the spotlight. He often never ends his part, so that the other commentator has to wait several minutes to say at least one word and then when Day[9] stops, he throws this "ah ah" in, which sounds like the other guy can say what he wants, it doesn't matter ...
Carnac aked him at the Comic Con about "enjoying himself", because he makes every day a Daily. I mean it has to be the combination of having so much passion and "to wanna be on spotlight", to create every day an show! This would be totally fine for me, but his behavior with other casters then JP, is sometimes really bad or am i wrong?
Day9 is excellent. And so are your notes on his behaviour: accourate description. Especialy the "ah ah" part. Maybe somebody should tell him.
On October 16 2010 21:11 Pholon wrote: What do you expect would happen when you put sc savant Day next to Gunrun and dApollo who, although they're both awesome guys, are on a completely different plane of existence when it comes to SC understanding.
It's not about SC understanding as it is about personality and charisma. When Day[9] is co-casting with someone like JP/TheGunrun the whole thing is painful to listen to, but yesterday it was interesting to note that when he was joined by DjWheat he immediately stepped up his sentence construction quality. DjWheat is conveying this aura of casual behavior and genuine nerd enjoyment that receptive guy like Day[9], immediately picks it up and carries it on to new heights.
The casters i would prefer in future tournaments: Day[9], DjWheat, Chill, Husky.
P.S. I don't know if the tournament organization is forcing casters to fake hype things, but i really would like it to stop. Like saying something bland as Protoss Wall-in with this stressed out voice, or other pretty ordinary things. They should explain them, but not in a way they are doing it now. Also i would like if the casters would allow themselves to get more often on the nerdy train thought and deviate from the game with stories or jokes.
I watch a lot of Wheat's shows, and he always has something to say about the latest tournament's commentary. Yesterdays performance from him was exactly the kind of commentary starcraft II needs, concise, interesting, no babbling, no foulmouthing, no dead air filling and no trolling.
I do not think that Day9 is trying to hog the spotlight, it is way harder to cocast than one might think.
Do you ever wonder why you see the same 2 people cast NFL games on each network. Like seriously the same people all the time. It is because it takes some time to get used to your partner to be able to step in at the perfect time or stop talking at the right time when you sense that the cocaster has something to say.
This sort of chemistry takes time to build up, and day9 does not have the opportunity to cast many games (as many as he casts himself) with other people. So what happens? the more confident person who feels like their input is crucial speaks more. I think that is what we are seeing not day9 trying to hog the spotlight.
On October 16 2010 20:49 davidcroda wrote: I totally agree with the OP. I think some of the popularity of his daily's has gone to his head.
It got really popular because he was giving out quality strategic information that wasn't readily available elsewhere. But now it seems like every day is a "theme" day and Day9 spends most of the time giggling at his own jokes and talking funny.
I enjoy the cast for the most part, but they seem like they are getting less and less useful and more of just a way to kill time. I hope he realizes this and gets back to his roots because the cast can be a great source of invaluable information. That is why so many people watch it, not because 10k people love staring at his face.
It doesn't help when 9k of the people in chat are just drooling all over you though
100% agree with you.
I went from "a noob who never played an rts before" to "a decent zerg player (1300 diamond)" thanks to him ( and tl.net in general).
I've recently lost interest in his dailies. Yes he's an awesome guy and its always fun to see him, but it feels like he lost something that other caster don't have: deep understanding of the game and quality strategic advices.
I don't know if he's enjoying him to much but i think he sould play more and do less fundaymonday things if he wants to stay a caster with a deep knowledge of the game.
Don't get me wrong, funday monday is cool, but i wouldnt cry if its one time a month.
On October 16 2010 21:40 Usurper wrote: P.S. I don't know if the tournament organization is forcing casters to fake hype things, but i really would like it to stop. Like saying something bland as Protoss Wall-in with this stressed out voice, or other pretty ordinary things.
I think Artosis is the master of this:
"And... here comes the proXY STARGATE from the scOUTING PROBE!"
*pause*
"Oh wait, he must have mis-clicked."
Haha.
For some reason, I don't mind when Artosis does it. It's like he's in on the joke.
On October 16 2010 20:12 Toxiferous wrote: That's terrible speculative pseudo-psychology
Day9 is by far the most insightful casters, ..
Lol, he does not even compete with Artosis in terms of knowledge. Day9 is pretty annoying if you ask me, and yes, his co-casting skills are horrible, I think he can cast alone without much issues.
I dont think that this is because he wants to be in the spotlight, maybe he just feels he have so much to say.
I think you're are just misreading his intentions. Part of what makes him such a good caster is that he doesn't let those awkward silences creep in. That happens to a lot of casters (you can say that without naming names) and not surprisingly so, since it is insanely difficult to keep up intelligent conversation non-stop, especially at a live event (if you don't believe me just record yourself commentating once - it's really hard to not go silent for a little bit. For viewers of the daily you'll know that that doesn't happen a lot with sean - he fills his thought breaks with something else (sometimes he takes a drink while he gathers his thoughts, sometimes he just points out that he's lost and laughs at it) and it makes him really good at commanding your attention. One thing that is really difficult when co-casting is that somehow, both casters need to provide input, but they can never leave these awkward silences out or it absolutely kills the mood - this is the really difficult part about casting. You need two people with exactly matching personalities and speaking patterns or you'll end up with either one person taking the reins and the other sitting back, or too many dead periods where neither caster is speaking.
Also, I'm personally very glad the guy is enjoying himself - he puts a lot of work into the community, and there's a whole lot of pressure on him each time he is late or does something wrong, and that can be so stressful. You're making it seem like he's gone mad with power, but really, if all you're reading out of this is that he enjoys casting - be glad. I for one think he deserves it.
OP is out of line. The guy puts in a huge effort by making a 100 dailys shows, he educates the whole community, and you accuse him of enjoying the spotlight. If he talks a bit more it's because he's the primary caster and quite frankly I'd rather listen to Day 9 anyway.
You guys have to remember that he has just barely begun his casting career and he will eventually get rid of what I'd like to consider 'nervous habits'. You can occasionally sense some awkwardness when he is cocasting (but this isn't his comfort zone). His casts are always entertaining and almost always factually spot on.
Hope he doesn't read this thread and then become self-conscious, he's really got a bright future ahead of him and things will only improve from here.
i never really 'love' day9 like everyone else. i mean, comon, his video is like about at least 45mins, it is actually kinda painful to watch - spending at least 30mins of looking at a dude (he really have no reason to keep showing his face all the time)? it is always seems to me that he is an attention seeking wh*re, he has too much rubbish/off-topic/bad jokes to talk about in his videos, and all his videos can really be cut into a clean 20mins or less. presentation wise, he still has a long way to go imo.
i enjoy psystarcraft, husky, hdstarcrafts' nicely edited length videos more. they are way more relaxing and entertaining to watch. psy did a good job in teaching us zerg in game (i am a zerg so i can be biased here ). If i really wanna learn for my game, i go dl replays and observe every details of it.
on his caster role, i agree that he is one of the best casters out there. his live cast is excellent. he should also lower down his protoss/terran love abit when he is in a big tourney.
I think that his unlimited passion for the game overall is what makes him exceptional as a caster.
So i think i would answer "No" to your question. I think it's fine. I don't really have any criticism of hes casting / videos either, I'm happy with them as they are.
I can understand that someone may not like it, but it's a matter of taste. There's plenty of other casters to enjoy and your time is better spent enjoying them than complaining about this one.
To be honest I think he's to good. He needs to be a little more newbie friendly when he has people less talented and less knowledgeable co-casting with him.
I'm pretty sure him and Tasteless/Artosis would be very high level
Where there's a void, you fill it. Especially at live events when your co-casters have nothing relevant to say. I think it's less of an issue of Day9 hogging but moreso that his co-casters rarely have much to say. All I remember from GunRun casting with him was "Yes, definitely." I enjoy GunRun's stream but my god... his voice... soooo monotonous. HD got some shitty one liners that they keep repeating too that I can't even remember. He likes to use absolutes like "always" too, which annoyed the shit outta me. Husky is just a little piece of shit that try to keep up but doesn't know how. JP doesn't have enough game depth while casting the game but you can tell that Day9 enjoy casting with him more than the others. djWheat bounced around with him just fine. Day9 + Chill was awesomesauce.
So, solution: awesome pilot needs an awesome wingman.
EPT
im not saying day9 likes this attention more than the passion for the game im just saying its common and u shouldnt blame someone for getting this, its normal for a human to like it alot
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