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VRs are OP. I mean WAY OP .

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HelloThere
Profile Joined September 2010
United States14 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 19:21:43
September 22 2010 19:19 GMT
#1
I just lost the absolute dumbest game ever. I got VR rushed by a protoss on Kulas Ravice and held it off with ease. I then went through his back rocks and took out a lot of his probes and tech including his stargate. My army was much bigger than his and I expanded way before he did and I was preparing to move out when he hit me with another wave of VRs. I brought my marines back and cleared it out and built something like 6 turrets around my expansion. Right as I'm about to attack he comes in with somewhere between 6 and 8 VRs. Figuring that my 9 vikings and 6 turrets (4 in range) could handle it I went on about my business only to watch those VRs destroy everything. It wasn't even close there were like 3 VRs left that proceeded to clear out my base. What ought to have been an easy victory turned into an infuriating defeat due to an extremely overpowered unit.

I don't understand how they can justify nerfing BCs, a unit that no one ever uses, but left VRs the way they were. BCs are easily counterable by one specific, cheap unit in each race: VRs, Corruptors, and vikings. VRs in any number over 5 are nearly impossible to stop, especially as terran with those fragile, unarmored vikings. There was literally no point in the game in which I was behind until the very end but he still managed to win even though he didn't play better than I did. He even admits in the replay that what just happened (4 turrets and 9 vikings vs 7 or 8 VRs) was absolute nonsense. I'm sending this replay to blizzard and telling them to suck a big one.

The replay doesn't seem to want to upload to sc2replayed... is there a trick to it or something?
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
September 22 2010 19:21 GMT
#2
Viking speed, range: 2.75, 9
VR speed, range: 2.25, 6

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Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#3
great first post man
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
HelloThere
Profile Joined September 2010
United States14 Posts
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#4
So you're saying I have to micro 2 armies at once to stop an assault that should have been dealt with easily? Doesn't change the fact that VRs do far too much damage.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 19:23:16
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#5
sounds like your micro needs a buff

On September 23 2010 04:22 HelloThere wrote:
So you're saying I have to micro 2 armies at once to stop an assault that should have been dealt with easily? Doesn't change the fact that VRs do far too much damage.


yes. you have to try hard in this game. get used to it, its gonna get harder.
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#6
Nah you got it the other way around. 1a is way UP.
Marines > everything
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#7
Marauders wants to have a word with you about whats the most OP unit in this MU.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#8
If you are 1:1 with his VRs and he doesn't have speed, even so i don't see why you couldn't micro your vikings.
AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#9
This thread is full of [insert word].

How do you want us to reply to this? Do you think you are the first one to complain about void rays? VR's did get nerfed fyi.
Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#10
bc are not a counter to vr so who cares. if he got like 20 void rays in the course of a game then obviously you had a ridiculous amount of time to prepare and counter. also apparently you didnt scout. so no QQ. it was your fault.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9953 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#11
I know you might not realize it but this is a terrible terrible thread
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