• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:26
CEST 07:26
KST 14:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection1Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th72Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double1Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Changing from 12 to 8 is just asking for StarCraft StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
Every Matchup's Top 5 Winrates (all ASLs & KSLs) Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals VPN experiences Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1718 users

VRs are OP. I mean WAY OP .

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
HelloThere
Profile Joined September 2010
United States14 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 19:21:43
September 22 2010 19:19 GMT
#1
I just lost the absolute dumbest game ever. I got VR rushed by a protoss on Kulas Ravice and held it off with ease. I then went through his back rocks and took out a lot of his probes and tech including his stargate. My army was much bigger than his and I expanded way before he did and I was preparing to move out when he hit me with another wave of VRs. I brought my marines back and cleared it out and built something like 6 turrets around my expansion. Right as I'm about to attack he comes in with somewhere between 6 and 8 VRs. Figuring that my 9 vikings and 6 turrets (4 in range) could handle it I went on about my business only to watch those VRs destroy everything. It wasn't even close there were like 3 VRs left that proceeded to clear out my base. What ought to have been an easy victory turned into an infuriating defeat due to an extremely overpowered unit.

I don't understand how they can justify nerfing BCs, a unit that no one ever uses, but left VRs the way they were. BCs are easily counterable by one specific, cheap unit in each race: VRs, Corruptors, and vikings. VRs in any number over 5 are nearly impossible to stop, especially as terran with those fragile, unarmored vikings. There was literally no point in the game in which I was behind until the very end but he still managed to win even though he didn't play better than I did. He even admits in the replay that what just happened (4 turrets and 9 vikings vs 7 or 8 VRs) was absolute nonsense. I'm sending this replay to blizzard and telling them to suck a big one.

The replay doesn't seem to want to upload to sc2replayed... is there a trick to it or something?
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
September 22 2010 19:21 GMT
#2
Viking speed, range: 2.75, 9
VR speed, range: 2.25, 6

...
3.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#3
great first post man
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
HelloThere
Profile Joined September 2010
United States14 Posts
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#4
So you're saying I have to micro 2 armies at once to stop an assault that should have been dealt with easily? Doesn't change the fact that VRs do far too much damage.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-22 19:23:16
September 22 2010 19:22 GMT
#5
sounds like your micro needs a buff

On September 23 2010 04:22 HelloThere wrote:
So you're saying I have to micro 2 armies at once to stop an assault that should have been dealt with easily? Doesn't change the fact that VRs do far too much damage.


yes. you have to try hard in this game. get used to it, its gonna get harder.
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#6
Nah you got it the other way around. 1a is way UP.
Marines > everything
Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#7
Marauders wants to have a word with you about whats the most OP unit in this MU.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
September 22 2010 19:23 GMT
#8
If you are 1:1 with his VRs and he doesn't have speed, even so i don't see why you couldn't micro your vikings.
AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#9
This thread is full of [insert word].

How do you want us to reply to this? Do you think you are the first one to complain about void rays? VR's did get nerfed fyi.
Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#10
bc are not a counter to vr so who cares. if he got like 20 void rays in the course of a game then obviously you had a ridiculous amount of time to prepare and counter. also apparently you didnt scout. so no QQ. it was your fault.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
September 22 2010 19:24 GMT
#11
I know you might not realize it but this is a terrible terrible thread
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft701
Nina 105
ROOTCatZ 44
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2332
Noble 16
League of Legends
JimRising 727
Counter-Strike
C9.Mang0446
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King85
Other Games
summit1g5293
PiGStarcraft412
RuFF_SC2137
ViBE67
Sick0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick886
Counter-Strike
PGL201
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1499
• Lourlo834
• Stunt463
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
1h 34m
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
5h 34m
SKillous vs Ryung
Solar vs Percival
Maru vs sOs
Lambo vs Arrogfire
IPSL
10h 34m
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
BSL
13h 34m
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
18h 34m
RSL Revival
1d 1h
Maestros of the Game
1d 7h
SHIN vs Nicoract
Rogue vs Gerald
ByuN vs Shameless
Cure vs TriGGeR
OSC
1d 7h
IPSL
1d 10h
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
1d 13h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Bounty Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.