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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Korea is and will (at least for a couple of years) be the mecca of esports, especially starcraft. so it's ok to call every on-korean gamers "foreigners" at least i'm used to it by SC:BW, so it doesn't bother me at all. I really don't understand why this troubles you so much... | ||
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:43 Fa1nT wrote: A Japanese comes to America and rapes them in super street fighter 4, and everyone loves the Japanese guy (daigo) An American goes to korea, and koreans dislike him for being a foreigner?  Because it's expected that the Japanese dude rapes Americans in SF4? It's not expected that a foreigner beats Koreans in Starcraft. | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:43 AirbladeOrange wrote: I agree with the original post. I was not in the Brood War scene so some people might jump down my throat for admitting I don't like it, but this is just how I feel. Nobody is crying about this, but it seems like it would make more sense to say non-Korean instead. But the term seems to be heavily used already and probably won't be changed. That's okay, I don't like it but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Hey man nobody's losing sleep over it. Just thought I should point it out after Tasteless mentioned something about using non-korean instead of foreigner during one of the GSL casts. It just made a lot of sense to me, even though he still occasionally uses foreigner (and stasis.... and dragoon... and sunken when casting sc2 lol) | ||
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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Skee
Canada702 Posts
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Otakusan
United States59 Posts
Aliens. That's right. Aliens. "Alien Registration Card." | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:27 Reason.SC2 wrote: I don't understand why people use this term. The vast majority are not Korean, or even in Korea. The term in itself sounds condescending or at the very least creates an unhealthy (us and them) dichotomy that makes no sense. Perhaps in Korean language the term does not have the same connotations (although i'm confident it does), but in English it makes no sense whatsoever for a guy from new york to call a guy from california a foreigner. btw for those who somehow don't know, foreigner means: a person not native to or naturalized in the country or jurisdiction under consideration. The country or jurisdiction under consideration (with regards to talking about starcraft) is not Korea lol its a global game played on the internet. In sum, stop trying to sound like Koreans by saying everyone not from Korea is a 'foreigner'. You don't sound cool and it doesn't even make sense. Silly people who joined in 2010 not understanding shit. Doth thine anger be to the point in which one would call thee upset? | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:37 Reason.SC2 wrote: What? this makes no sense. Then everyone, koreans included would be a foreigner. Nobody lives in starcraft. lol. My point is that nobody is a foreigner since it is not a valid jurisdiction. Its a nonsensical statement to make. The main reason I have a problem with it though (cause lots of nonsensical things don't really bother me all that much), is that it creates this "we are different from them" dichotomy that is not healthy. If you think about it as starcraft nerds you probably have a lot more in common with a random progamer than you do with your neighbour. We're all one man peace and love and so on. No need to create and support made-up divides between two like "groups". Edit: the whole point is why even point it out? When a Japanese baseball player comes to pitch in the Major Leagues the announcers don't say "foreigner pitcher so and so". They don't call spanish basketball players foreigner ballers lol. You see the place in which the sport is most popular doesn't need to have any control over the use of foreigner like this. Its obviously a term adopted from Korean to English that makes no sense to use in the majority of contexts it is used. Because when people when talked about Brood War there was a vast difference in skill levels between pro Koreans and pro Foreigners. Instead of saying "non-Korean" everytime we wanted to reference someone else, we would say "foreigner." It's not meant to be offensive, it was just a term used to distinguish the two Starcraft scenes (Korea scene, Everywhere else scene). Also, it's a lot easier to just say "foreigner" rather than knowing exactly what country everyone is from  The term may more may not slowly disappear from the SC2 scene, it depends how the pro-scene develops most likely. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:53 Otakusan wrote: Do you know what the United States calls immigrants? Aliens. That's right. Aliens. "Alien Registration Card." I love you. | ||
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Skaff
United States240 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On a different note, I am not offended by the term of "foreigner". In the SC1 scene, I am a foreigner. Who knows if SC2 will change some of these terms. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On September 17 2010 05:09 Kibibit wrote: I don't really get why people throw semantics at the colloquialisms of a 10 year old community. It's pointless, and in its time it made sense. It makes sense NOW, the OP is just uneducated | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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University
United States263 Posts
I understand where you're coming from, but it is a term that has been constituted by this community a long time before you or I made our first post. It is a harmless term, which does nothing to create tension between the Korean and Foreign communities. When you understand that there are factors (wars, economic tensions, cultural stereotypes, etc.) existing outside of Starcraft which collectively form the major determinant in the way Koreans see everyone else (and vice versa), it is easy to see that this quirky term does very little, relatively, to create real animosity between real people. It simply isn't an issue. It only carries a negative connotation because probability says you will get your ass kicked if you're from outside Korea ha. And that, as a white kid, is a sad fact. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:43 Fa1nT wrote: A Japanese comes to America and rapes them in super street fighter 4, and everyone loves the Japanese guy (daigo) An American goes to korea, and koreans dislike him for being a foreigner? why do you think its dislike? they are just classified as foreigner cause they are exactly that. its not racist towards the person at all :/ | ||
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