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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
July 07 2010 02:14 GMT
#1421
On July 07 2010 11:11 Oathmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:58 Alsn wrote:
On July 07 2010 10:54 Oathmaster wrote:Name is Mark Benjamin Bourgeois as well, for those who seem to think it matters to know I'm serious with my post
That you are willing to post your name is commendable, but let's say 9/11 hadn't happened yet and you had a blizzard account. Let's say your name was Muhammed Abdullah and you had a bnet account and had been an occasional poster, now 9/11 hits and we all know who were behind that.

Would you still like your name to be shown publicly on the forums, knowing what you now know about how public perception of muslims have changed since 9/11, however irrational and bigoted that is? I don't even think you can imagine how it feels to be someone who doesn't have the luxury of feeling "safe". I know I sure don't, but I've spoken with people who do(a friends relative lived in east germany).



Well assuming I was not infact the one Muhammed that caused the 9/11 incident and you wanted blood, it just shows how sad our society truly is, when people can't truly think about the what if.

In truth, I'd probably be more shameful/embarrassed if I was born in the middle east perhaps then just the name itself would have me feel when 9/11 happened, though I can't be truly honest since I am safe from your theory, but since we had people with redirected flights to my city after the incident for about a week, and it was a tragic time even being up here . So I can at least understand your statement
Thanks for understanding.

Those of us(or at least, me, but I think at least some agree with me here) saying this is a bad idea do so because there are legitimate concerns for people in minorities or otherwise being at risk for harassment. This is because the world we live in is not a utopia, it's the real world, and bad things happen in the real world even if they might not happen to you.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3237 Posts
July 07 2010 02:15 GMT
#1422
i barely used the forums, mostly reading blue updates. ill just erase them from bookmarks
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
July 07 2010 02:15 GMT
#1423
On July 07 2010 11:11 kajeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 11:09 BlackMagister wrote:
On July 07 2010 11:04 kajeus wrote:
On July 07 2010 11:00 BlackMagister wrote:
On July 07 2010 10:51 Renaissance wrote:
I saw this post on the WoW board:


Once this goes live, I will never post on the forums again. I'll probably stop browsing them too.

I'm a girl, a girl with a pretty rare name. If you put my first and last name in quotes and google it, 13 pages of results come up, only 5 of them are in English. 4 of them are about me. First English result is a page about a play i was in 7 years ago, which includes a picture of me (and i still look pretty much the same).

The next three are the results from bowling tournaments I have been in. One of which has a photo of me because I did well. The 5th is some site that says to "find people with this name!" which has no info for my name. I don't have my facebook or anything like that under my real full name. I normally just shorten it so people can't really search for me.

So I post something on the forums and people will know my real name. By googling my name you can

*get photos of me
*find out my hobbies
*find out where (and with a bit of digging, when) I do my hobbies
*who some of my friends are (some of the bowling tournaments list my teammates)
* and find out the area i live in.

likelihood that someone will track me down and do bad things to me? slim to none.

Something I'm really willing to risk even if it probably would never happen? No


But beyond that, I'll be looking for a new job next year, I would hate to have a potential employer google my name, and read what I've said on here. Do I normally troll? No, I'd say 80% of my posts are just quick questions that I googled and couldn't find the answer, knowing that I could get a quick answer here.

The other 20% are my arguing about abortion, religion, random silliness and other junk in the OT forums or me falling for a troll.

I'm not a huge poster, So me not posting isn't going to change anything, but I do love these forums. I hope something changes before this goes live. Even assigning us a handle/nickname and having said nicknames link to a list of all our toons would be fine with me. But this Real ID thing has to go.

TL:DR: version

Do Not Want
Yes you can find me by googling my name
Don't want future employers to see me in the OT forums
Yes, I know that it wont be a big deal when I quit posting.
Do Not Want


And to people who say "Oh I will never post there", chances are you probably will. You may have a rare technical problem. You may want to sign up for a tournament. In my opinion, Activision Blizzard is not doing this because of the trolls. From the looks of it, they are trying to make it so that they have control not only on an online level, but real life as well.

This is what the third post by a girl with a rare name that fears what people can do when their full name is posted. It's a problem for some people I don't see how that can't be seen. If your a minority, you want to say something controversial that could make someone mad or job background checks.

No harassment doesn't happen to everyone. No you don't have to post on the forums. However you should be able to post on the forums, the "If you don't like then leave!" is not a good argument.

Why is it not a good argument?

Are girls are going to face severe harassment because their graphics cards are incompatible with Cataclysm?

Should girls have to manage what they say for fear of harassment? The quoted girl talks about abortion and religion, those debates can be heated, guess girls need to stay out.

Girls can also face harassment simply for being girls. Like the female posts quoted said they have unique names. You see a girl's name, you can look it up.

So don't talk about abortion and religion the official Blizzard forums?

I'm not even sure you can talk about abortion and religion on the official Blizzard forums.

It's not wrong for girls to only be allowed to post tech problems?

Even if they just post tech problems people can stalk other people just because. It might not always be the highest form of harassment swatting, personal visits or even pizza calls, but stalking can still include creepy messages from other people or unwanted friend invites.
Bowdz
Profile Joined September 2007
United States202 Posts
July 07 2010 02:16 GMT
#1424
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: wowriot (Latest Wowriot Blog Posts - Wowriot.Gameriot.com)&gr_i_ni

LMAO. I hope this illustrates exactly why Blizzard should not go through with this. Utterly ridiculous (and hilariously sad at the same time).
"Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself makes you fearless." - Lao Tzu
miltondtf
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal50 Posts
July 07 2010 02:16 GMT
#1425
On July 07 2010 11:04 kajeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 11:00 BlackMagister wrote:
On July 07 2010 10:51 Renaissance wrote:
I saw this post on the WoW board:


Once this goes live, I will never post on the forums again. I'll probably stop browsing them too.

I'm a girl, a girl with a pretty rare name. If you put my first and last name in quotes and google it, 13 pages of results come up, only 5 of them are in English. 4 of them are about me. First English result is a page about a play i was in 7 years ago, which includes a picture of me (and i still look pretty much the same).

The next three are the results from bowling tournaments I have been in. One of which has a photo of me because I did well. The 5th is some site that says to "find people with this name!" which has no info for my name. I don't have my facebook or anything like that under my real full name. I normally just shorten it so people can't really search for me.

So I post something on the forums and people will know my real name. By googling my name you can

*get photos of me
*find out my hobbies
*find out where (and with a bit of digging, when) I do my hobbies
*who some of my friends are (some of the bowling tournaments list my teammates)
* and find out the area i live in.

likelihood that someone will track me down and do bad things to me? slim to none.

Something I'm really willing to risk even if it probably would never happen? No


But beyond that, I'll be looking for a new job next year, I would hate to have a potential employer google my name, and read what I've said on here. Do I normally troll? No, I'd say 80% of my posts are just quick questions that I googled and couldn't find the answer, knowing that I could get a quick answer here.

The other 20% are my arguing about abortion, religion, random silliness and other junk in the OT forums or me falling for a troll.

I'm not a huge poster, So me not posting isn't going to change anything, but I do love these forums. I hope something changes before this goes live. Even assigning us a handle/nickname and having said nicknames link to a list of all our toons would be fine with me. But this Real ID thing has to go.

TL:DR: version

Do Not Want
Yes you can find me by googling my name
Don't want future employers to see me in the OT forums
Yes, I know that it wont be a big deal when I quit posting.
Do Not Want


And to people who say "Oh I will never post there", chances are you probably will. You may have a rare technical problem. You may want to sign up for a tournament. In my opinion, Activision Blizzard is not doing this because of the trolls. From the looks of it, they are trying to make it so that they have control not only on an online level, but real life as well.

This is what the third post by a girl with a rare name that fears what people can do when their full name is posted. It's a problem for some people I don't see how that can't be seen. If your a minority, you want to say something controversial that could make someone mad or job background checks.

No harassment doesn't happen to everyone. No you don't have to post on the forums. However you should be able to post on the forums, the "If you don't like then leave!" is not a good argument.

Why is it not a good argument?

Are girls are going to face severe harassment because their graphics cards are incompatible with Cataclysm?

Then why can't it be the user's choice? Why are we Obligated to chose between posting and not posting as oposed to sharing personal info and not sharing personal info?
"But do you REALLY want chat rooms? Really?!" --In patch 1.2 we will be making even bigger changes! not only you will have a clock but we will add an ingame calendar so you can track all the tournements with a Terran winning!! :D
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 07 2010 02:19 GMT
#1426
I have not posted once on their forums in 12 years, I don't see any conceivable reason that would make me post there especially now? In fact I don't see any reason to post on their forums at all, tech support problems can be done by email with a blizzard rep, otherwise those forums are plain garbage, pure and simple.

InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 02:23:27
July 07 2010 02:23 GMT
#1427
Section 9(v) [You may not]...Communicate or post any user's personal information in the Game, or on websites or forums related to the Game, except that a user may communicate his or her own personal information in a private message directed to a single user...

Violates Blizzard's own ToS.
i keep going back to my response to chill's fake PM and laughing, then immediately getting a feeling that i assume i'd get if i had an orgasm and the girl said "hahaha guess what i have a dick" -FakeSteve
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
July 07 2010 02:24 GMT
#1428
On July 07 2010 11:23 InfiniteIce wrote:
Section 9(v) [You may not]...Communicate or post any user's personal information in the Game, or on websites or forums related to the Game, except that a user may communicate his or her own personal information in a private message directed to a single user...

Violates Blizzard's own ToS.



We know. Blizzard knows. They don't care.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Mr.E
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States434 Posts
July 07 2010 02:26 GMT
#1429
On July 07 2010 11:16 Bowdz wrote:
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: wowriot (Latest Wowriot Blog Posts - Wowriot.Gameriot.com)&gr_i_ni

LMAO. I hope this illustrates exactly why Blizzard should not go through with this. Utterly ridiculous (and hilariously sad at the same time).


Interesting..

Yea. While these decisions (this isn't their first of the like) don't directly inconvenience me, they show the poor direction that Blizzard is trending toward.
Looking for top-tier practice partners, especially Z; PM me
Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 02:30:16
July 07 2010 02:28 GMT
#1430
What about posts that are already there? When I entered my real name into my bnet account info I did so under the impression that it would be kept hidden save for people I have on my friends list. Pretend for a moment that I had posted there in the past. If they suddenly put my real name instead of "Robstickle" onto any posts that I had made then that's a breach of my privacy surely?
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
July 07 2010 02:30 GMT
#1431
I believe this article is obligatory. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html.

When you interact with people on the internet, you really have no idea who they are. In addition, you don't even need to interact with people because your posts can be seen by anyone. People have done harm for much less, and I seriously would not be surprised if someone was tracked down over an argument on the internet. Make a "Terran Mech is OP thread" with caution post-July 27.
rip passion
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 02:33:43
July 07 2010 02:31 GMT
#1432
On July 07 2010 11:28 Robstickle wrote:
What about posts that are already there? When I entered my real name into my bnet account info I did so under the impression that it would be kept hidden save for people I have on my friends list. Pretend for a moment that I had posted there in the past. If they suddenly put my real name instead of "Robstickle" onto any posts that I had made then that's a breach of my privacy surely?
According to a post on the first page of the bnet thread, prior posts are safe(she called blizzard to ask). It will be activated once the bnet2 forums actually go live, not before and not retroactively.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
July 07 2010 02:31 GMT
#1433
On July 07 2010 11:28 Robstickle wrote:
What about posts that are already there? When I entered my real name into my bnet account info I did so under the impression that it would be kept hidden save for people I have on my friends list. Pretend for a moment that I had posted there in the past. If they suddenly put my real name instead of "Robstickle" onto any posts that I had made then that's a breach of my privacy surely?

Their new policy only applies to Starcraft 2 and Cataclysm forums. Old forums will not be affected.
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 07 2010 02:32 GMT
#1434
On July 07 2010 11:28 Robstickle wrote:
What about posts that are already there. When I entered my real name into my bnet account info I did so under the impression that it would be kept hidden save for people I have on my friends list. Pretend for a moment that I had posted there in the past. If they suddenly put my real name instead of "Robstickle" onto any posts that I had made then that's a breach of my privacy surely?


A lot of people put in their name before they knew it would be shown to anyone ever. One of my guildies in WoW put in his full name, which he never uses and is slightly funny for a grown adult to have (which is why he uses a nickname). Of course now with RealID, we all see it (and thusly poke good natured fun at him). The crappy part is that you can't change your name once you make your account. So he's stuck with it.
STX Fighting!
Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
July 07 2010 02:32 GMT
#1435
Oh, now I feel silly
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 02:34:50
July 07 2010 02:34 GMT
#1436
Day[9] just said in his cast he's against the change even though everyone already knows his name, fwiw.
STX Fighting!
InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 07 2010 02:37 GMT
#1437
On July 07 2010 11:34 vesicular wrote:
Day[9] just said in his cast he's against the change even though everyone already knows his name, fwiw.

He also said "if he had a unique name"...etc
Random trivia: There are 3 people in the U.S. named Sean Plott.

I wonder how long before the WoW thread hits 1000 pages.
i keep going back to my response to chill's fake PM and laughing, then immediately getting a feeling that i assume i'd get if i had an orgasm and the girl said "hahaha guess what i have a dick" -FakeSteve
JHancho
Profile Joined May 2010
United States166 Posts
July 07 2010 02:37 GMT
#1438
On July 07 2010 11:23 InfiniteIce wrote:
Section 9(v) [You may not]...Communicate or post any user's personal information in the Game, or on websites or forums related to the Game, except that a user may communicate his or her own personal information in a private message directed to a single user...

Violates Blizzard's own ToS.


I think it's funny that we're back to TOS issues again Ice.

But it's a rather hollow, empty laugh, devoid of anything but deep sorrow.

And just to bring a point up that was sort of glossed over, but someone mentioned bullying.

Which is worse... being called names on your nickname, or on your real name? Banhammer notwithstanding, which do you think hurts more?

I don't care about cyber bullying, I just was forced to read a few articles in a class in college. It's very, very sad that people get riled up about what people say on the internet.

Which hurts more? Never mind the abuse that girl gamers get. That would only be magnified.

And it's not just about the forum move. It's about the progression. One handle, realid/facebook, forums... games? I can't fathom it, but apparently it's happening.
Take it easy. And if it is easy, it must be cheese
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
July 07 2010 02:39 GMT
#1439
Guys, they can just change the ToS if they want. You really can't play "gotcha games" with Blizzard over the ToS. It's a terrible idea on it's own merits. Don't waste your time trying to get technical with Blizzard's rules. If they want to keep doing this, they won't change their mind cause you point out the ToS. They'll just change the ToS.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Aldair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 02:51:00
July 07 2010 02:39 GMT
#1440
Blizzard Employee personal info posted on 4chan.

http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/65848825 (taken down)
half way down

The poor bastard:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374892&sid=1&pageNo=1 Post #16


Just food for thought.
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