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On July 07 2010 06:36 Fen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? YES! Women are going to have a HUGE problem. The second "Jessica Roberts" posts, her facebook page is gonna get a massive spike in hits. Then she will be bombarded with "hey you're hot" messages or friend requests from complete strangers. Or on the flip side, she might get a whole bunch of "Lose some weight you fat whore" etc messages.
I would provide personal financial support for an empirical study into this phenomenon. :D
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Call me André Filipe.
I dont have any problem with this but is stupid like hell.
This is still about 1 game where everyone uses a nickname instead of a name and "we all know" people by there nickname not the name.
Blizzard just release the beta and stop joking around.
I just want sc2, blizzard make a perfect game (balance, lan, chat channels etc).
To post in forums i have teamliquid. If i want piss out wiht blizzard i have blizzard post.
Sry bad english
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On July 07 2010 06:20 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:18 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 06:17 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. It's not even about being harassed - don't you think famous people would appreciate being anonymous in at least one aspect of their life? I know I would if I was that level of famous. Then Robin Williams can either phone Blizzard directly and set up a special anonymity deal, receive individual 1-on-1 tech support, or post somewhere else. I think everyone is just taking this too literally and imagining its application to the Entire Internet. Again, an extremely tedious and unnecessary precaution has to be taken now because of using real names on the forums. It would be easier if you simply had anonymity and more moderators. It's extremely tedious to give Robin Williams special anonymity? :D Come on, man... Famous people are a drop in the Internet bucket.
its tedious because you have to start treating people on a case by case basis if they start getting harassed. Why even get into that? What amazing benefit do you get?
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I will cover my bases and say one other thing. While this is to some degree using an atomic bomb to kill a small militant group, it's still an interesting test solution which I do genuinely think will bring about a much better community on the official forums. As noted before, I've been hardcore trolled personally before and this will make that near impossible without ramification.
Will it reduce the amount of "intelligent posters"? Maybe initially, I think people will adjust to the change however, especially if the overall environment is cleaner, and the forums will become a better place overall. It will increase meaningful participation as opposed to just having people like mickj333 who are quite literally trolling. Can you imagine how nice a change that would be over the current blizzard forums?
I will say one other thing though. I can understand why people are concerned with privacy. If all people were linked to one RealAlias as opposed to RealID across all games, I'd actually probably be ok with that too, though I don't think it would deter trolling as much as this current option anihilates it.
In general, we're entering a period in time where due to Facebook 2.0 connect information is becoming more and more available, and thus people are more aware of what information they're actually sharing. They gave away plenty of information before, but now that they're being made fully accountable for it, I think that actually is a good thing.
Oh, and there's still always other forums like TL where you can be anonymous. Though tbh, even this forum has a lot of trolling issues that moderation cannot fully solve. Mine as well experiment and see what happens (That is probably why they're rolling it out on the Bnet SC2 forums before the Cataclysm forums)
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On July 07 2010 06:24 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:23 keV. wrote:On July 07 2010 06:21 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 06:19 Jalex wrote:
Absolutely astonishing idea by Blizzard. I honestly don't think they have thought it through at all.
As someone with a rare name (google my full name, and I come up as the first hit), there is no way on earth I will ever post on their forums again. This isn't such a big deal as I rarely do so anyway, but I am annoyed at the loss of access to the Tech Support forums which have proved useful in the past. Do you seriously think that pursuing tech support is going to spell certain doom for you? I could write "Do you seriously think that" in front of the majority of what you wrote in this thread. Clearly, you and others do not see eye to eye on this issue. Probably not a great idea to use it as an argument. Do you use a pseudonym when you go to CompUSA for help with your computer, or...?
Do you go around in town with a big sign on your chest with your name on it?
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On July 07 2010 06:38 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:36 Fen wrote:On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote:This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? YES! Women are going to have a HUGE problem. The second "Jessica Roberts" posts, her facebook page is gonna get a massive spike in hits. Then she will be bombarded with "hey you're hot" messages or friend requests from complete strangers. Or on the flip side, she might get a whole bunch of "Lose some weight you fat whore" etc messages. I would provide personal financial support for an empirical study into this phenomenon. :D
Go to 4chan. Now pay me.
Also, yes, I do think women will have a very big problem, though I responded with that already.
More implications...Blizzard facebook integration. I have a feeling that a lot of people (girls and guys) are gonna use it. 'Jessica Roberts' posts a serious issue about balance (yes, girls can balance games too!). Proceeds to get flamed, and her FB page now consists of over 9,000 posts about how 'the Marauder is fine you dumb bitch'...'btw ur hot'. After privating the wall, she then proceeds to receive another million hits to her inbox regarding same...
*sigh*. I'm a guy and I feel bad already.
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On July 07 2010 06:30 kajeus wrote:Here's what I agree with... I do NOT want the Internet to lose all anonymity. That would be horrible, terrifying, and boring. What about official forums for a very popular company, the games of which ALREADY have massive, popular fansites devoted to them? Sounds ok to me. To take another tack on this: Why pay tons of people to moderate your own official forums when the TL moderators will moderate TL for free? 
I agree with you, too. On all that. I actually thought about asking TL.net to create a WoW board but then I realized, I don't like WoW and I don't need to talk about it with anyone. Even still, someone out there loves it and would probably like to be able to continue discussing it anonymously in a moderated environment.
IMHO, TL.net's moderation is as close to perfect as mortal beings can hazard without ascending to another plane of existence by mistake. It's swift, clear-cut, and well-documented via the Ten Commandments and Automated Ban List thread. Reading the 10 commandments and ban list thread has taught me more about respectfully participating in forums (and about being a respectable person) than most of my interactions with other humans IRL, who tend not to be very respectful.
But again, no matter what a shit-bag the WoW forums are, I don't want to see this happen to them or their users. While I didn't mention it in my previous post, it's probably the most obvious reason to want to hide your name: GENDER. Being a known female on the internet is still just as hazardous as it was to be a known female on a BBS in 1991, I've been here the whole time, trust me.
Then, there are transgendered individuals and people who have gender identity issues and use a different name or perhaps live in a dangerous community (read: the south) and might have issues with bullying at school or on their server. There are people who go by a name other than their real name in person and don't want to be called by or known by their 'real name', there are people who hate their father so much that they never want to see his surname anywhere and don't use it when they can help it. There's also racism to worry about--though I admit this seems like it will be less of a problem than any of the aforementioned.
Don't forget that the WoW boards can't protect you after you leave them, but they CAN tell your name to 12 million strangers who can pursue any course of action they choose once they know it, and other details, about you. Denial of information is the only reasonable way to protect yourself from some of this stuff, people.
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On July 07 2010 06:15 Kishime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 03:27 Kishime wrote:
Who cares?
My name is Jim O'Hearn. Have at me!!!!
IMO, unless you are a complete troll who everyone hates, nobody is going to try to get your personal info or care what your name is. Still waiting for any info about me.
sorry to say that you seem to be missing out on the real issue here
like it has been well said in many posts here and elsewhere, the anonymity issue is greater than applied only to you...
sc2 is a game many kids will want to discuss and some might reap havoc from ill intentioned people
perhaps you could agree that for them this issue is crucial, particularly concerning the standard activision/blizzard (via the love people have for blizzs' games) is trying to establish
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I am finally starting to see Blizzard train of thought.
The reason they removed chat channels was because of spammers so now nobody can use them.
The reason they removed custom game names was because people spammed with them.
And now the reason they removed anonymous acc names was because trolls were abusing with them. Lets hope that nobody from Blizz was once a doctor because he might kill someone who had a slight ailment.
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Why do you guys have such a big problem with getting your names on the forums? I'm not saying you're in the wrong, but I don't understand it. Is it such a bad thing? I really don't care and if it can stop spamming, fine by me
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I had to post this.
Jurblejurble
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* 7252. Re: Battle.net Update: Upcoming Changes to Fo 07/06/2010 02:43:07 PM PDT
But seriously, my last name is Butt. Can you imagine me posting with that all day?
If you don't feel for Mr. Butt, then I'm afraid you have no soul.
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Does anyone know of a big and popular forum where people are forced to post under their real names?
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On July 07 2010 06:47 Jenslyn87 wrote:Why do you guys have such a big problem with getting your names on the forums? I'm not saying you're in the wrong, but I don't understand it. Is it such a bad thing? I really don't care and if it can stop spamming, fine by me
Read my other post thats why
+ Show Spoiler +I am more shocked about people not knowing the importance of keeping your identity clean than I am about Blizzard "innovative" way to combat trolling. Your personal opinions do matter. Most of your are probably to young to have a career but when you do you will learn that is a big no-no to talk about things like politics in the workplace. It is a self evident fact that people get denied from jobs for things such as their religious, political and personal affiliations (google is your friend here). If an employer dislikes his employees playing video games ( I can see why ) and does a background check on your to discover your 2k posts on the world of warcraft forums that is definately going to set you back ( and yes, for the love of god, they often do background checks! There are even paid websites to help them gather this info ). One of the great aspects about the internet is anonymity and that is slowly being taken away, while many of you are supporting it. Imagine if every community website required this like Youtube or possibly the worst 4chan lol then where would you go if you wanted to express your beliefs without any consequence? Maybe after the blizzard employees get hate mail from discontent players will they finally then listen ( im not supporting this lol). And think about it Blizzard and these other companies wont last forever. What do you think will happen to your information (thats worth money) then?
/rant
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On July 07 2010 06:44 MuTT wrote:
I am finally starting to see Blizzard train of thought.
The reason they removed chat channels was because of spammers so now nobody can use them.
The reason they removed custom game names was because people spammed with them.
And now the reason they removed anonymous acc names was because trolls were abusing with them. Lets hope that nobody from Blizz was once a doctor because he might kill someone who had a slight ailment.
You know, I'm trying to refute your post in my head and although I disagree with your slippery slope scenario, I'd say you have a cogent argument.
That's quite depressing.
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On July 07 2010 06:44 MuTT wrote:
I am finally starting to see Blizzard train of thought.
The reason they removed chat channels was because of spammers so now nobody can use them.
The reason they removed custom game names was because people spammed with them.
And now the reason they removed anonymous acc names was because trolls were abusing with them. Lets hope that nobody from Blizz was once a doctor because he might kill someone who had a slight ailment.
when you put it that way, it seems like they are just trying to not hire as many people to moderate the channels, game names, and forums. Why, I don't know...
Even though I dislike WoW as an enjoyable experience, I've honestly heard nothing but good stuff about their customer support, i.e., stolen account, abusive players, etc. The GMs and support team seem to be one of the great things about the most successful MMO ever...
Why depart from this model........
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I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.)
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I just don't get the "it will reduce trolling" argument. It might for a while until people realize they will only get banned like they did before and some people start flaming other people that have the same name as yours making it another fun element for the trolls out there.
Seriously though, it won't have anywhere near the effect to justify it. Just look at countries that have tried to limit piracy. When a big change happens, it goes down and then in some months everything is back to where it was before, people still downloading like crazy.
Unless they post you phone number and address next to you name, I don't really see how this will improve the atmosphere in the forums, other than to make fewer people go there. Maybe if there is few enough people there, the trolls won't bother...
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Wow thats a really stupid idea. I love how seriously they take trolling and flaming as its imo a pretty serious form of harassment. Anything to stop keyboard warriors and e-bullies is great in my book, but this will most likely help e-bullies to harass any poster, as their name gets revealed (hope you have a common last name!), which means you might be able to track down the persons e-mail or facebook and harass them there. Giving out personal information to pretty much everybody is not a good idea. I'm very curious to see how this affects the number of posters.
As long as you post using just your ID I think people will watch what they say. As you can't swtich ID (at least afaik) people won't post stupid shit unless they want their ID to get a bad rep. Combine that with 3-14 day bans from Bnet if you troll or flame and the forums would be a hell of a lot cleaner.
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Anyone who is complaining about lack of privacy on a public FORUM should really look up the meaning of the word forum.
If you shouted your opinions at the town square, would you complain about the lack of privacy after? It's about time people stop hiding behind a veil when posting on the internet; after all no one is forcing you to post.
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On July 07 2010 06:42 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:24 kajeus wrote:
Do you use a pseudonym when you go to CompUSA for help with your computer, or...? Do you go around in town with a big sign on your chest with your name on it?
You just got stomped, buddy. I'm curious to see your answer to that excellent retort, kajeus, preferably in the form of a youtube video of you walking around your hometown wearing a sandwich board with your real name and all your facebook profile information, a few photos, games you've played lately, what you drive, where you live, where you've lived, where you work, where you've worked, your credit score, etc...
I mean, because, the presence of that information increases your accountability to other people, which is a good thing, right? And nobody's going to do anything evil with it.. Clearly, you have NO EXCUSE not to do this.
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