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On July 07 2010 06:19 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:16 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 05:36 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 05:34 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 03:27 Kishime wrote:
Who cares?
My name is Jim O'Hearn. Have at me!!!!
IMO, unless you are a complete troll who everyone hates, nobody is going to try to get your personal info or care what your name is. how bout your kid's name available worldwide? Man, I don't know if you're aware of the laws on things like this. Your kids can't just have their names revealed willy-nilly. precisely my point... uhhhh ... sorry what was your point ? Your kids are guaranteed anonymity by law in the United States. No one under 13, at the very least, will be posting in forums under his or her real name.
and maybe with this reasoning you could argue that others should be protected as well (14 is hardly an age when kids have a grip on what they divulge online)
in europe it's up to 18, although it's very difficult to enforce it (since once again kids like to push the boundaries, not realizing what could happen)
some people do wish harm to other people (and usualy they aim for people that will get harmed, it makes it easier)
curious to see how blizz intends to go around that, this just to sell more deodorant or other...
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On July 07 2010 06:52 Ocedic wrote:
Anyone who is complaining about lack of privacy on a public FORUM should really look up the meaning of the word forum.
If you shouted your opinions at the town square, would you complain about the lack of privacy after? It's about time people stop hiding behind a veil when posting on the internet; after all no one is forcing you to post.
I give my opinions in public all the time. I don't give out copies of my drivers license and social security card.
Nobody knows who you are in public. It may be called "the public area", but that doesn't make everything about you public...
You're just another one in the sea of millions of people walking around the downtown area. Hell, I grew up in a town of less than 100,000 and I still rarely see the same people twice. Much less so when I moved to a bigger city obviously.
You should look up the meaning of the word public.
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Has Blizzard commented on this at all except for their original announcement?
Thanks
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On July 07 2010 06:52 Ocedic wrote:
Anyone who is complaining about lack of privacy on a public FORUM should really look up the meaning of the word forum.
If you shouted your opinions at the town square, would you complain about the lack of privacy after? It's about time people stop hiding behind a veil when posting on the internet; after all no one is forcing you to post.
I am not sure if you knew this but.... words can have different meanings in different contexts. Internet forums are almost always private (with the except of blizzard's ofc) so yes we have the right to complain mkay. Perhaps your just the toughest guy on the planet afraid of nothing. Although I disagree with skinhead's beliefs i wouldnt be so brave to approach a group of them just to share my ideas. Thats the point of being anonymous!
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I found this post in the WoW Forum.
Is from a Lady that plays WoW (the wife of somebody)
It's actually a really good post with valid arguments against ACTIVISION proposal... I dislike the idea to mention that Blizzard came up with the idea, since i like blizzard and i hate activision (i'm just being a fanatic, yes.)
I just got off the phone with Blizzard's Technical Support (nice gentleman who helped answer my questions by the way) so now I feel a bit more secure about making this post. Also the 30 minute hold time gave me a few moments to gather my thoughts so I can speak thoughtfully without fear or anger leaking through.
Before I voice my opinion I will state that I have a recorded converstion from a Blizzard employee saying that the posts made today and before the new Real ID system goes into place on these forums WILL NOT show our information. Only posts made after Real ID is put into the forums will have this information.
This new system is a horrible idea. There are already well over 80 pages of people stating their ideas on this subject so I doubt what I say will be heared but I will try to present my arguments against Real ID in the hopes that someone will listen.
1. UNIQUE NAMES: Some people (including my husband for one) have very unique names. The linking of a person's real name if you have a common name is less troublesome because that person would be hard to track with a name alone, but if you have a name that is very uncommon linking it to a public forum is very invasive to that person. It could lead to that person being harrassed or annoyed (I will not overreact and use the word stalked) while trying to interact with their hobby.
People play this game for relaxation on their off time. But, for example, if you had a unique name and applied for a job and the potential employer googled your name and found posts on a gaming forum they may not hire you because they have ill conceved notions about gamers. In this exaple the employer may be working off an unfair stereotype but it still would hinder that person getting a job. And FYI without a job that person wouldn't be able to have the money to play WoW. Just a thought Blizzard.
2. COMMON NAMES: For those on the other side of the fence having a fairly common name can also lead to harrassment in a different way. You could be mistaken for someone else entirely and that can lead to confusion not only on the forums themselves but also outside of them.
The last thing I need is someone tracking me down via a google search of my fairly common name, getting my WoW info because I asked a question on a forum about a game I paly for fun, and contacting my character in game, or on the forums to yell at me about alamony payments when I dont have a ex-husband.
3. GENDER: As a female this one bothers me a lot. Not only do I not want to be petitioned by random people for cyberlovin while I am playing a game, but more importantly I do not want to be a target offline. Most males my not understand the fear women have in today's world about this but it is a real and genuine threat that does, sadly, happen. Women are stalked, hurt, even killed every day and we are taught from a young age to be careful and cautious when dealing with the unknown (aka strangers and the internet). It is a terrible reality about our society and I wish it wasn't so but fact is it happens.
I have been occasionaly harrassed while in game for cyberlovin (can not use the real words they use due to being banned on the forums if I do) and I have reported it when it does and Blizzard has never done a thing about it (repeat violations in some cases and their toons are still in the game with no reprocussions). I can't imagine what would happen if more of these perverts knew I was an actual girl. I shudder the think about it.
4. MINORS: Similar to the gender issue. There are minors that play this game and giving out their information to the general public is a bad idea. Even people who are 'adults' aka 18, 19, 20 can still be very impressionable and giving out their real names to the world wide web can only lead to trouble.
5. IDENTITY THIEFT: I know you can't steal a persons ID with ONLY their name but hainvg someone's full name is a great place to start.
6. WoW CRAZIES: Most people who paly this game are what would be classified as 'casuals'. But some people take this game way to seriously. I have been shocked and even fealful of a few of the players I have come across and giving them the ability to track me down and potentally harm me because I beat them in a duel frightens me.
7. INTERNET CRAZIES: Even worse these are the stalkers and child molesters that pray on people on the internet. I dont want then to have access to my full name!
8. SPAMMERS: Giving the internet as a whole your information can lead to spamming and flooding of your e-mail.facebook, exc even more then it is already. Gold sellers are going to have a hayday with this one.
If your name was Jerry Sienfled and you had a wow forum post I bet you ever single variation of your name at most popular e-mail hosters is going to be flooded with fake Blizzard emails. JerrySiefeld@hotmail, @gmail, @yahoo, exc. and now the gold sellers and hackers will have a way to customize those fake mails to your real name! Dear Jerry, We at Blizzard are please to announce you are in the beta! Please visit our fakelink to get your account hacked.
9. SAFETY OF BLIZZARD: Just like giving out a real name to fellow players is a bad idea, giving out the names of all your forum moderators is just as bad or worse! Your poilcy now is to have your phone representatives only use their first names for thier own safety (remember I recorded the conversation) and now you are going to change that! You could have an employee tracked down this way and come to serious harm. Not safe or smart.
So what can you do instead of using a person's full name? How aobut only being allowed to post on one toon? You have to pick a toon and that is that. Or using a set handle? Set up Real ID with this and I would use it in game as well.
And for all the people who say the forums are optional I will remind you that I pay the same subscripion fee that you do and so limiting what I can do with it doesn't seem like the most fair solution. I feel I should be able to use the forums to get information and to share ideas. I agree the trolls are a pain but there has to be a better more secure way then this.
-Quira
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I don't really understand all the people trying to defend the fact that having your full name on the internet isn't a big deal. Sure it might not be a problem for you or I, but there ARE other people out there who would prefer to not have information about themselves put all over the internet, and there ARE people out there who will look up and e-stalk others if they are given information about them. I think the example someone posted earlier about females posting on it is a good one. As soon as someone with a girl's name posts, you know there are going to be a lot of creepy people trying to find them on facebook etc. There are a lot of creepers on the internet and while you might not care if they do anything to you, some people do care about it, and it's ridiculous to enforce people to disclose their real names or anything else over the internet like that on a public forum.
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I definitely won't be posting, I prefer for my future employers not to see my passionate diatribes about video games. It looks bad.
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Now i can just instant-facebook-search them and flame them if they are fat!
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On July 07 2010 06:53 Gedrah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:42 nam nam wrote:On July 07 2010 06:24 kajeus wrote:
Do you use a pseudonym when you go to CompUSA for help with your computer, or...? Do you go around in town with a big sign on your chest with your name on it? You just got stomped, buddy. I'm curious to see your answer to that excellent retort, kajeus, preferably in the form of a youtube video of you walking around your hometown wearing a sandwich board with your real name and all your facebook profile information, a few photos, games you've played lately, what you drive, where you live, where you've lived, where you work, where you've worked, your credit score, etc... I mean, because, the presence of that information increases your accountability to other people, which is a good thing, right? And nobody's going to do anything evil with it.. Clearly, you have NO EXCUSE not to do this.
Oh man, I step away to do some dishes and I got the paranoid android tellin' me I've been stomped.
I wear nametags a lot for events. Isn't this a more apt comparison...?
Anyway, anybody who knows anybody else's real name can Google them. No need to wear a sign.
Credit score? Oh man...
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enfrancais mes amis!
que-est que la fuck?
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On July 07 2010 06:55 ta2 wrote:
Has Blizzard commented on this at all except for their original announcement?
Thanks
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&pageNo=324&sid=1
Post 6476...
Q u o t e:
"Will the Real-ID opt-out that we can set for our children's account also keep them from posting on the forums?"
You will be able to set up Parental Controls to disallow a minor from posting.
So, Blue's are responding. Just...mostly watching the shitstorm though.
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Wow, check this out. That was quick
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On July 07 2010 06:58 ocho wrote:
I definitely won't be posting, I prefer for my future employers not to see my passionate diatribes about video games. It looks bad.
So don't post that shit on the Blizzard official forums. 
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Yep there's a giant shitstorm on the WoW forums, with MANY blue posts, following the same announcement:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&pageNo=1&sid=1#0
Keep clicking the Blizz-> icon (next to the QUOTE button) to view the next blizz post..
Their forums are going crazy, tons of other sites are talking about this, apparently in another thread asking if Blizzard employees are going to give out their info too, Bashiok says "Yes" and gives his real name. Of course in mere minutes a WoW site upset with this change, obtained and posted all of Bashiok's personal info, including address, phone number, age, names of his FAMILY that lives with him, his facebook, etc. It's a mess...
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If you want my real name you can find it online if you tried. It's on other forums I visit because I put it there.
I don't think this would go over well for Blizz but it wouldn't bother me personally.
But I don't post on bnet forums anyway and I don't see this changing.
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Now imagine if that person isn't actually the Blizzard Rep.
Stalking online to such a degree is not an excuse as to why this is a bad system. It's more of an example of why you probably want more criminal prosecution of e-stalkers. If there's a punishment associated with this behavior, I somehow doubt a large majority would continue to do it, and the vocal minority would also be slowly thinned out too.
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i wont be posting either.
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Even if even half of that info is accurate, none of it is stuff you don't voluntarily share with people all the time. Most of it came from his Facebook anyway, and it's totally up to him how much information he wants to make public that way.
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On July 07 2010 06:47 Jenslyn87 wrote:Why do you guys have such a big problem with getting your names on the forums? I'm not saying you're in the wrong, but I don't understand it. Is it such a bad thing? I really don't care and if it can stop spamming, fine by me
a company like blizz should set a good standard, not make people give info about themselves (probably for commercial purposes), it's problematic for adults but mostly dangerous for kids
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