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lol this is so fucking good. I hope he gets stormed with phone calls now.
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On July 07 2010 06:56 Drakan wrote:I found this post in the WoW Forum. Is from a Lady that plays WoW (the wife of somebody) It's actually a really good post with valid arguments against ACTIVISION proposal... I dislike the idea to mention that Blizzard came up with the idea, since i like blizzard and i hate activision (i'm just being a fanatic, yes.) Show nested quote + I just got off the phone with Blizzard's Technical Support (nice gentleman who helped answer my questions by the way) so now I feel a bit more secure about making this post. Also the 30 minute hold time gave me a few moments to gather my thoughts so I can speak thoughtfully without fear or anger leaking through.
Before I voice my opinion I will state that I have a recorded converstion from a Blizzard employee saying that the posts made today and before the new Real ID system goes into place on these forums WILL NOT show our information. Only posts made after Real ID is put into the forums will have this information.
This new system is a horrible idea. There are already well over 80 pages of people stating their ideas on this subject so I doubt what I say will be heared but I will try to present my arguments against Real ID in the hopes that someone will listen.
1. UNIQUE NAMES: Some people (including my husband for one) have very unique names. The linking of a person's real name if you have a common name is less troublesome because that person would be hard to track with a name alone, but if you have a name that is very uncommon linking it to a public forum is very invasive to that person. It could lead to that person being harrassed or annoyed (I will not overreact and use the word stalked) while trying to interact with their hobby.
People play this game for relaxation on their off time. But, for example, if you had a unique name and applied for a job and the potential employer googled your name and found posts on a gaming forum they may not hire you because they have ill conceved notions about gamers. In this exaple the employer may be working off an unfair stereotype but it still would hinder that person getting a job. And FYI without a job that person wouldn't be able to have the money to play WoW. Just a thought Blizzard.
2. COMMON NAMES: For those on the other side of the fence having a fairly common name can also lead to harrassment in a different way. You could be mistaken for someone else entirely and that can lead to confusion not only on the forums themselves but also outside of them.
The last thing I need is someone tracking me down via a google search of my fairly common name, getting my WoW info because I asked a question on a forum about a game I paly for fun, and contacting my character in game, or on the forums to yell at me about alamony payments when I dont have a ex-husband.
3. GENDER: As a female this one bothers me a lot. Not only do I not want to be petitioned by random people for cyberlovin while I am playing a game, but more importantly I do not want to be a target offline. Most males my not understand the fear women have in today's world about this but it is a real and genuine threat that does, sadly, happen. Women are stalked, hurt, even killed every day and we are taught from a young age to be careful and cautious when dealing with the unknown (aka strangers and the internet). It is a terrible reality about our society and I wish it wasn't so but fact is it happens.
I have been occasionaly harrassed while in game for cyberlovin (can not use the real words they use due to being banned on the forums if I do) and I have reported it when it does and Blizzard has never done a thing about it (repeat violations in some cases and their toons are still in the game with no reprocussions). I can't imagine what would happen if more of these perverts knew I was an actual girl. I shudder the think about it.
4. MINORS: Similar to the gender issue. There are minors that play this game and giving out their information to the general public is a bad idea. Even people who are 'adults' aka 18, 19, 20 can still be very impressionable and giving out their real names to the world wide web can only lead to trouble.
5. IDENTITY THIEFT: I know you can't steal a persons ID with ONLY their name but hainvg someone's full name is a great place to start.
6. WoW CRAZIES: Most people who paly this game are what would be classified as 'casuals'. But some people take this game way to seriously. I have been shocked and even fealful of a few of the players I have come across and giving them the ability to track me down and potentally harm me because I beat them in a duel frightens me.
7. INTERNET CRAZIES: Even worse these are the stalkers and child molesters that pray on people on the internet. I dont want then to have access to my full name!
8. SPAMMERS: Giving the internet as a whole your information can lead to spamming and flooding of your e-mail.facebook, exc even more then it is already. Gold sellers are going to have a hayday with this one.
If your name was Jerry Sienfled and you had a wow forum post I bet you ever single variation of your name at most popular e-mail hosters is going to be flooded with fake Blizzard emails. JerrySiefeld@hotmail, @gmail, @yahoo, exc. and now the gold sellers and hackers will have a way to customize those fake mails to your real name! Dear Jerry, We at Blizzard are please to announce you are in the beta! Please visit our fakelink to get your account hacked.
9. SAFETY OF BLIZZARD: Just like giving out a real name to fellow players is a bad idea, giving out the names of all your forum moderators is just as bad or worse! Your poilcy now is to have your phone representatives only use their first names for thier own safety (remember I recorded the conversation) and now you are going to change that! You could have an employee tracked down this way and come to serious harm. Not safe or smart.
So what can you do instead of using a person's full name? How aobut only being allowed to post on one toon? You have to pick a toon and that is that. Or using a set handle? Set up Real ID with this and I would use it in game as well.
And for all the people who say the forums are optional I will remind you that I pay the same subscripion fee that you do and so limiting what I can do with it doesn't seem like the most fair solution. I feel I should be able to use the forums to get information and to share ideas. I agree the trolls are a pain but there has to be a better more secure way then this.
-Quira
All very good points.
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Despite the rubbish that currently pollutes the blizzard forums this is, in my opinion, a major overstep that will kill just about all activity on the Blizzard forums. Let's hope they aren't silly enough to carry this over to Bnet2.0.
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On July 07 2010 07:01 Zelniq wrote:Yep there's a giant shitstorm on the WoW forums, with MANY blue posts, following the same announcement: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&pageNo=1&sid=1#0Keep clicking the Blizz-> icon (next to the QUOTE button) to view the next blizz post.. Their forums are going crazy, tons of other sites are talking about this, apparently in another thread asking if Blizzard employees are going to give out their info too, Bashiok says "Yes" and gives his real name. Of course in mere minutes a WoW site upset with this change, obtained and posted all of Bashiok's personal info, including address, phone number, age, names of his FAMILY that lives with him, his facebook, etc. It's a mess...
Rofl. I sort of feel bad for Bash.
either that, or the random stranger's name he picked. I am sure it was not his decision to implement this forum change...but still, he's a cocky guy, so I don't feel that bad.
Thanks for the link. Now I know I'll never be posting on the Blizzard forums with this change in effect.
Whoa. Bashiok lives in my area code..............
I'm tempted to give him a visit. (NOTE: no threats are implied. I kinda like Bash.)
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Yeah, not a good day to be a Blizzard Community Manager or anyone who has to post on the forums. Expect those people to get tons of harassment.
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The only thing that comes to mind is an acronym. OMFG.
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Bnet2 is probably going to require your credit card # at some point as well. What are you all worried about? It's not like someone could use your information to pretend to be you. Get credit cards using your name and information, and rack up a ton of debt. Which will then take you years of headaches and investigating to prove your innocence, so you can get a loan for a home or a car, right?
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On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.)
good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums
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On July 07 2010 07:00 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:55 ta2 wrote:
Has Blizzard commented on this at all except for their original announcement?
Thanks http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&pageNo=324&sid=1Post 6476... Q u o t e: "Will the Real-ID opt-out that we can set for our children's account also keep them from posting on the forums?" You will be able to set up Parental Controls to disallow a minor from posting. So, Blue's are responding. Just...mostly watching the shitstorm though.
hahaha... it's funny because search engines are so good now that you don't even have to be particularly internet savvy to dig up information just by piecing things together.
Just look at all the people 4chan have publically humiliated in their twisted sense of vigilante internet justice.
A name is not a big deal, but it's a very easy starting point. There's no reason for it to be attached to your forum posts, there just isn't.
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On July 07 2010 07:03 Ghad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:56 Drakan wrote:I found this post in the WoW Forum. Is from a Lady that plays WoW (the wife of somebody) It's actually a really good post with valid arguments against ACTIVISION proposal... I dislike the idea to mention that Blizzard came up with the idea, since i like blizzard and i hate activision (i'm just being a fanatic, yes.) I just got off the phone with Blizzard's Technical Support (nice gentleman who helped answer my questions by the way) so now I feel a bit more secure about making this post. Also the 30 minute hold time gave me a few moments to gather my thoughts so I can speak thoughtfully without fear or anger leaking through.
Before I voice my opinion I will state that I have a recorded converstion from a Blizzard employee saying that the posts made today and before the new Real ID system goes into place on these forums WILL NOT show our information. Only posts made after Real ID is put into the forums will have this information.
This new system is a horrible idea. There are already well over 80 pages of people stating their ideas on this subject so I doubt what I say will be heared but I will try to present my arguments against Real ID in the hopes that someone will listen.
1. UNIQUE NAMES: Some people (including my husband for one) have very unique names. The linking of a person's real name if you have a common name is less troublesome because that person would be hard to track with a name alone, but if you have a name that is very uncommon linking it to a public forum is very invasive to that person. It could lead to that person being harrassed or annoyed (I will not overreact and use the word stalked) while trying to interact with their hobby.
People play this game for relaxation on their off time. But, for example, if you had a unique name and applied for a job and the potential employer googled your name and found posts on a gaming forum they may not hire you because they have ill conceved notions about gamers. In this exaple the employer may be working off an unfair stereotype but it still would hinder that person getting a job. And FYI without a job that person wouldn't be able to have the money to play WoW. Just a thought Blizzard.
2. COMMON NAMES: For those on the other side of the fence having a fairly common name can also lead to harrassment in a different way. You could be mistaken for someone else entirely and that can lead to confusion not only on the forums themselves but also outside of them.
The last thing I need is someone tracking me down via a google search of my fairly common name, getting my WoW info because I asked a question on a forum about a game I paly for fun, and contacting my character in game, or on the forums to yell at me about alamony payments when I dont have a ex-husband.
3. GENDER: As a female this one bothers me a lot. Not only do I not want to be petitioned by random people for cyberlovin while I am playing a game, but more importantly I do not want to be a target offline. Most males my not understand the fear women have in today's world about this but it is a real and genuine threat that does, sadly, happen. Women are stalked, hurt, even killed every day and we are taught from a young age to be careful and cautious when dealing with the unknown (aka strangers and the internet). It is a terrible reality about our society and I wish it wasn't so but fact is it happens.
I have been occasionaly harrassed while in game for cyberlovin (can not use the real words they use due to being banned on the forums if I do) and I have reported it when it does and Blizzard has never done a thing about it (repeat violations in some cases and their toons are still in the game with no reprocussions). I can't imagine what would happen if more of these perverts knew I was an actual girl. I shudder the think about it.
4. MINORS: Similar to the gender issue. There are minors that play this game and giving out their information to the general public is a bad idea. Even people who are 'adults' aka 18, 19, 20 can still be very impressionable and giving out their real names to the world wide web can only lead to trouble.
5. IDENTITY THIEFT: I know you can't steal a persons ID with ONLY their name but hainvg someone's full name is a great place to start.
6. WoW CRAZIES: Most people who paly this game are what would be classified as 'casuals'. But some people take this game way to seriously. I have been shocked and even fealful of a few of the players I have come across and giving them the ability to track me down and potentally harm me because I beat them in a duel frightens me.
7. INTERNET CRAZIES: Even worse these are the stalkers and child molesters that pray on people on the internet. I dont want then to have access to my full name!
8. SPAMMERS: Giving the internet as a whole your information can lead to spamming and flooding of your e-mail.facebook, exc even more then it is already. Gold sellers are going to have a hayday with this one.
If your name was Jerry Sienfled and you had a wow forum post I bet you ever single variation of your name at most popular e-mail hosters is going to be flooded with fake Blizzard emails. JerrySiefeld@hotmail, @gmail, @yahoo, exc. and now the gold sellers and hackers will have a way to customize those fake mails to your real name! Dear Jerry, We at Blizzard are please to announce you are in the beta! Please visit our fakelink to get your account hacked.
9. SAFETY OF BLIZZARD: Just like giving out a real name to fellow players is a bad idea, giving out the names of all your forum moderators is just as bad or worse! Your poilcy now is to have your phone representatives only use their first names for thier own safety (remember I recorded the conversation) and now you are going to change that! You could have an employee tracked down this way and come to serious harm. Not safe or smart.
So what can you do instead of using a person's full name? How aobut only being allowed to post on one toon? You have to pick a toon and that is that. Or using a set handle? Set up Real ID with this and I would use it in game as well.
And for all the people who say the forums are optional I will remind you that I pay the same subscripion fee that you do and so limiting what I can do with it doesn't seem like the most fair solution. I feel I should be able to use the forums to get information and to share ideas. I agree the trolls are a pain but there has to be a better more secure way then this.
-Quira All very good points.
yeah reading this really makes me wonder what the hell Blizzard is thinking
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On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums
And what stopped kids from doing this before...?
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On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...?
Nothing. But what compelled/forced kids to do it before?
Nothing.
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On July 07 2010 05:43 Barrin wrote:
promote constructive conversations
They want smart people in their forum bro.
Nobody posting with their first and last name revealed counts as a "smart poster".
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On July 07 2010 06:24 kajeus wrote:
Do you use a pseudonym when you go to CompUSA for help with your computer, or...?
Do you go around in town with a big sign on your chest with your name on it?[/QUOTE]
You just got stomped, buddy. I'm curious to see your answer to that excellent retort, kajeus, preferably in the form of a youtube video of you walking around your hometown wearing a sandwich board with your real name and all your facebook profile information, a few photos, games you've played lately, what you drive, where you live, where you've lived, where you work, where you've worked, your credit score, etc...
I mean, because, the presence of that information increases your accountability to other people, which is a good thing, right? And nobody's going to do anything evil with it.. Clearly, you have NO EXCUSE not to do this.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I step away to do some dishes and I got the paranoid android tellin' me I've been stomped.
I wear nametags a lot for events. Isn't this a more apt comparison...?
Anyway, anybody who knows anybody else's real name can Google them. No need to wear a sign.
Credit score? Oh man...[/QUOTE]
I may be paranoid, but, not an android.
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On July 07 2010 06:58 ocho wrote:
I definitely won't be posting, I prefer for my future employers not to see my passionate diatribes about video games. It looks bad.
Does it really? Unless you're an addict, but in that case the stereotype exists for a reason, and it's good that the employer knows who they are employing.
Btw, giving full name is a really bad idea. Just 2 names i would have to think about it as there's some pros and cons for some people like the female poster above, but full name is a definitive no.
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who posts on b.net forums anyways...
we have TL so i dont see why it really matters.
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On July 07 2010 07:09 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 07:08 kajeus wrote:On July 07 2010 07:07 baskerville wrote:On July 07 2010 06:49 Shirolol wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is at all, why would I care if someone knows where I live and what my name is? Or anything about me for that matter.
I think you're all being a tad paranoid here talking about e-stalking and the likes, this change means nothing apart from the people that act like tumors might stop now - and is that a bad thing? I don't think it is.
Either way I never post on the blizzard forums, it provides nothing I can't get elsewhere - and generally of a higher quality. (Here, for example.) good for you, how bout kids who don't know better and are careless about what they divulge online? blizz/activision are setting a dangerous standard for game forums And what stopped kids from doing this before...? Nothing. But what compelled/forced kids to do it before? Nothing.
Huh? First of all, young kids legally can't post under their names anyway.
Secondly, your argument is first that they "don't know better," and then second that they "are forced." There doesn't seem to be any logical consistency to what you're saying.  It's bad that they're forced because they don't know better...?
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Blizzard wants to become facebook now without farmvile and with real games and that is just wrong
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On July 07 2010 07:03 heishe wrote:lol this is so fucking good. I hope he gets stormed with phone calls now.
Don't wish that. He's a cool guy. PR storm :x
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