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Terran vs mass hydra
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
Any help would be greatly appreciated User was warned for this post | ||
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Viruuus
Germany451 Posts
Thors can block too but are too expensive to do that on their own in general | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
you will need some fodder to cover for them, but tanks will rip any hydra arms to shreds. | ||
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Maggeus
France277 Posts
Hellions to block the way if speedling dare to come. Tanks to annihilate any zerg ground army, since roaches can't be mass anymore, it's now totally viable. It's maybe even too strong. Thors if you scout a spire. Use your first barrack to obtaint view on the zerg, and push with hellions/tanks. Properly used, you'll win many TvZ. | ||
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etJUSTICE
Sweden30 Posts
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:05 Maggeus wrote: Abuse this strategy for now : Hellions to block the way if speedling dare to come. Tanks to annihilate any zerg ground army, since roaches can't be mass anymore, it's now totally viable. It's maybe even too strong. Thors if you scout a spire. Use your first barrack to obtaint view on the zerg, and push with hellions/tanks. Properly used, you'll win many TvZ. So completely disregard any bio build? I've heard mass marauders are very strong. | ||
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
I really disagree with mass tank builds like I have seen some go. You only need a few tanks to really take down a mass hydra army, and if you commit to heavy to tanks air will just swoop in and crush you. Also with no ravens and only tanks you are susceptible to tunneling claw roach. Even with nurf with roach is still viable against mass tank, esp with tunneling. | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
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shiftY803
200 Posts
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MadRhetoric
United States8 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:13 Owarida wrote: Mass hydra falls to 1 part seige 3 part rauder. If you want a really balanced comp you can add a few rines, medi, and vikings and a thor or two to counter muta or BL if they come. I really disagree with mass tank builds like I have seen some go. You only need a few tanks to really take down a mass hydra army, and if you commit to heavy to tanks air will just swoop in and crush you. Also with no ravens and only tanks you are susceptible to tunneling claw roach. Even with nurf with roach is still viable against mass tank, esp with tunneling. I totally agree with this. I've been struggling with zerg lately, I play terran obviously, and I think I was pumping out too many tanks. I changed my strategy up and just won one of the best games I've played. I went 2 rax, first making marines nonstop from production and second making rauders. Then I got 1 factory and starting pumping siege tanks. When I had 2 tanks with a 3rd on the way, I scouted my opponent with a single marine. I saw my chance and laid out my bio units with 2 sieged tanks just being able to hit their ramp. I baited some of their units and when he saw what I had, I just held the ramp until reinforcements came. During this time, I got up a starport so that I could have some viking backup if mutas showed up. Once I had about 5 tanks outside his base, it was just a matter of leap frogging straight in. When he brought out his hydras/lings/etc, the tanks destroyed everything behind a small all of bio units. So the short version. A nice mix of marine/rauders with a handful of siege tanks seems to be optimal. I don't see many people leap frog their siege tanks and I'm not sure why. It may be a little cautious for some people, but against the zerg you cannot lose any time siegeing up before battle. | ||
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TekKpriest
308 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:26 shiftY803 wrote: TLO has a new build that Day[9] spoke at length about in which he goes fast marines/hellion harass, into thor, followed by expansion, followed by tank/hellion/marine/thor push. That is pretty much GG against anything the zerg can do when executed properly. Neither Day[9] nor Dimaga seem to have a way to beat it yet. Can't speak for the asian zergs though. The build can be countered by a defensive playing Zerg, especially on cross position. | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
just dont be geedy or too agressive. or just try and end it before lair tech kicks in. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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stickman.hqt
United States47 Posts
Just be sure to keep active scouting for mutas, because a late thor could really drag the game out and prevent your push after you got some tanks. Armory should be standard to up your siege damage and helion damage anyways though. | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
I also like to toss in some Vikes to OL hunt/harass. | ||
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dustdust
Germany76 Posts
Just amove with your Thor/Hellion Army into Hydras and it is already extremely cost effective. edit: another fun fact: Thors 2 shot Roaches with +1, if Roach has been hit by a Hellion once. | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On May 20 2010 05:10 dustdust wrote: I find Thor/Hellion very good vs mass Hydra, because Thors shoot very fast now and they oneshot a Hydra which has been hit by an Igniter upgraded Hellion once! Just amove with your Thor/Hellion Army into Hydras and it is already extremely cost effective. edit: another fun fact: Thors 2 shot Roaches with +1, if Roach has been hit by a Hellion once. Thors don't 1-shot hydras anymore, but their rate of fire went up. All in all, they actually do worse vs hydra now though and better vs lings. They used to do 45x2, 1 shotting hydra. Now do 30x2 but fire 33% faster. And same case for roach. They 3 shot roach since that patch, not 2 shot. | ||
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Korpze
United States27 Posts
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FroHawK
United States4 Posts
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dustdust
Germany76 Posts
On May 20 2010 05:25 baconbits wrote: Thors don't 1-shot hydras anymore, but their rate of fire went up. All in all, they actually do worse vs hydra now though and better vs lings. They used to do 45x2, 1 shotting hydra. Now do 30x2 but fire 33% faster. And same case for roach. They 3 shot roach since that patch, not 2 shot. did you actually read my post or do you just wanna be a smartass? | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:09 etJUSTICE wrote: Siege tanks with marine support works great if your opponent masses hydras, and 2-4 thors is great to have in your army composition they shoot down hydras soo fast after the splash damage from sieged tanks. And hellions works great too instead of marines, but you'll have a harder time to deal with mutalisks if the zerg decide to go for that basically the majority of terran ground units + tanks. i wouldve venture to say tanks + hellions + couple banshees and build turrets as u slowly advance if u wanna be cheesy | ||
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f0rgiv3n
United States112 Posts
Lesson learned.. Hard. | ||
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Competent
United States406 Posts
I bunker down and slowly expan and switch to BC's IF they commit to hydras. | ||
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ShaSKiRa
Australia344 Posts
gg.net got the replay of bo5 between him vs some Zerg. He did that build like 2 or 3 time ... :D | ||
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Andtwo
United States126 Posts
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Paramo
Mexico138 Posts
Specially if you can position them to take advantage of the linear spalsh. | ||
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
with hydras being that low on health it actually works. against muta-ling as well as broodlings | ||
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Tortfeasor
United States14 Posts
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Mulloy
United States86 Posts
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:10 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote:So completely disregard any bio build? I've heard mass marauders are very strong. Just mass more of them... T isn't hard. | ||
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
-Marines /w Stim are roughly equal -Marauders /w Stim are roughly equal -Reapers: ok no. -Ghosts double damage and Snipe spam owns Hydras -Helions: get enough of them and the splash makes them at least equal with a little micro. -Tanks: siege them up and own hydras -Thors: not as good as before but still decent, probably about equal -Vikings (ground mode): ok no -Banshees: about even -Ravens: PDD and HSM are both awesome against hydras -Battlecruisers: totally owns hydras Basically anything you make other than the obvious no-no's of Reapers or Vikings (ground) will at least go even with hydras. Best choice is to just get Tanks and supplement them with one or two of the other units to protect the tanks. If you are short on gas the best bet is simply Marines. If you have gas to spare then any of the other options will do fine as well. | ||
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xnub
Canada610 Posts
On May 20 2010 02:10 ILIVEFORAIUR wrote: So completely disregard any bio build? I've heard mass marauders are very strong. Not vs hydras or speedlingz unless you have alot of marauders vs speelingz or alot more maruader then he has hydras. so ya stay tanks . Tank/marines is what i tend to do vs zerg if they go banlings i say fuck lol : P If you mass marauders vs hydras you are a noob and going to lose unless you hae some huge advantage | ||
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krowe
United States184 Posts
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
Note a stratergy I find really effective, while the hydras are distracted ie killing a static defence or moving or engaging the rest of your army, if you move your preigniter hellions up really close without attacking they will not attack the hellions due to auto targeting. Then, when your hellions are very close, attack with them and their splash will slaughter the hydras. Hydras will kill hellions in a straight up fight but I flank will completely crush them. | ||
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Vattilega
United States52 Posts
keep suiciding hellions at their drones and push everytime you expo, its really hard to ever get a third base with this build vs hydra infestor with a few roaches because they die from your 2 base push. Tanks are the core, they sit in the center with marines mixed in, hellions and viking up front to scout as you push so ur not caught out of position and thors to the rear behind the rine/tank ball. get +atk and ull be gold As everyones saying yes tanks are a must vs ground zerg but keep in mind hellions are ridiculously cost effective vs hydras +they cost 100 mins vs hydras 100 min & 50gas +they have 90 hp, hydras have 80 +they do 24dmg with preigniter, hydras do 12 +they move faster +they have the same range -they have less atk speed so to make up for it grab grps of hellions and aim for hydras in the middle or back to get a firebat effect, shits devastating. If you get a good arc with your hellions or even better, some flanking, 10 hellions(1000 resource) can easily kill 15 hydras(2000resource) you just need to get a good arc and run up on them so they dont spread out and stay clumped, they will all be able to shoot but if you target one hydra in the back with your grp of hellions, its murder. remember, hydras are just big marines that cost tree times as much I actually open up with Vikings from a starport and a reactored starport to force them to make hydras, they dont even fathom making air as I'm massing vikings and containing so they make hydras, once they commit to hydras i expo and throw up two more factories (two T one R) and make tanks hellions with a few marines and lil more vikings, if u scout spire through hellion or viking strike u make more thors and vikings, if they get ultras(ive been seeing it recently) u get 250 milli shells on the thors. if they NP a tank just grab two tanks and kill the bastard who NP'd him Z really love their hydra esp with creep highways. so in short, just punish them with tank/hellion and make sure you have support units and can transition if they do. | ||
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
Because its all we have =( | ||
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MoooN1
Germany128 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
For specific strategy advice, please provide replays. | ||
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