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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
May 06 2010 18:15 GMT
#21
Sweet, a hellion buff would make counter-sentry/immortal play way easier

Also, there is nothing wrong with encouraging more mech play. I can't wait to actually try the raven/tank/marine opening into ghost mech, especially once the hellion buff comes out.
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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
May 06 2010 18:15 GMT
#22
Moving shot patch please D:
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Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
May 06 2010 18:18 GMT
#23
On May 07 2010 03:09 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 03:08 lolaloc wrote:
Are they basing unit buffs on the survey rather than analyzing them rationally?

Seems to be the case. I wonder if they even know who nony is.



Even if nony use Phoenix well, it's still a pretty crappy anti-air unit if you compare it to the Corsair.
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ymirheim
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden300 Posts
May 06 2010 18:18 GMT
#24
On May 07 2010 03:12 distant_voice wrote:
finally they make the units easier to use. micro is too demanding anyways -_-

I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder. When I read making them a bit more easy to use I actually read that as the change they are making is to actually give phoenix and hellion some improved micro capability. Especially considering how much people have been asking for that.
The only thing you should feel when you shoot someone... is the recoil
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
May 06 2010 18:18 GMT
#25
On May 07 2010 03:12 RiOrius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 03:08 lolaloc wrote:
Are they basing unit buffs on the survey rather than analyzing them rationally?


Yeah, how dare they try to make the game, as a whole, more fun? Don't they know that pro-level balance is the only thing that matters?

Game would be even more fun for everybody if they didn't ignore all other shitty units just because people didn't vote enough for them in some random survey O_o
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 06 2010 18:19 GMT
#26
I don't think Phoenix needs a buff at all right now. Mayyybe they could use an upgrade on the fleet-beacon to make them more viable late game once armies get huge.

Overseer upgrade should be cool. New spell for infestor is definitely welcome.

Hellions - I don't really care. Making their attack no longer stop their movement for so long might be nice.
vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 18:20:15
May 06 2010 18:20 GMT
#27
The reason people dislike hellions is obviously because they're sluggish and unresponsive and feel like ass to micro - not because they're weak. Hope they don't get buffed.

Oh, and FrozenArbiter - Epic post! :D
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Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
May 06 2010 18:20 GMT
#28
On May 07 2010 03:09 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 03:08 lolaloc wrote:
Are they basing unit buffs on the survey rather than analyzing them rationally?

Seems to be the case. I wonder if they even know who nony is.

No that is not what they are saying, they are refering more to how 'fun' the unit is. They aren't necessarily going to just 'buff' the unit, rather than change the ability to make it more of a useful/fun unit. Doesn't always mean buff. there can be lateral changes! ^^
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Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
May 06 2010 18:20 GMT
#29
Phoenix buff is good. Wouldn't mind if it became a standard unit PvZ like the Corsair is in BW.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 06 2010 18:21 GMT
#30
mothership is a really good unit..phoenix is also a pretty great unit..what the hell
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
May 06 2010 18:21 GMT
#31
buffs to phoenix which is already powerful...based off of a survvey? Really Dustin Browder? This is how we're balancing SC2 now...really?

Zerg needs more buffs...really Dustin Browder? Really? How about buffing the reaper giving it a damage upgrade after factory tech to make it useful? Really?

well...if they add in moving shot, then that'll be one step in the right direction + Show Spoiler +
to Brood War playability with moving shot units.
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Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 18:23:27
May 06 2010 18:21 GMT
#32
The thing about the pro-gaming scene is, at least with Starcraft's history, if you leave them at it long enough, they'll figure it out.

So long as the core of Starcraft remains, that is: small selection of units, pretty much every single one is overpowered one way or another, everything has a job to do and things get awesomely complex when you start combining units together, the pro-gaming scene is going to be fine.

And its funny how fickle some of you guys are. These are the same people that got us to this tight point of balance already.

They don't just land these numbers by dumb luck.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-06 18:23:03
May 06 2010 18:21 GMT
#33
I am seriously going to punch a wall if:

- Phoenix damage increased
- Phoenix cost and build time decreased

Instead of

- Phoenix backswing reworked.
Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
May 06 2010 18:22 GMT
#34
On May 07 2010 03:07 Chriamon wrote:
Yea this was posted in the other thread...

A. your not a mod.
B. This blizzard post was released today (5/06/10).
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 06 2010 18:23 GMT
#35
You know the only problem with Phoenix is the job it was supposed to do is terrible at it. The Phoenix wasn't supposed to be a harras unit, it was supposed to be an air control fighter, something that could give toss control of the skies, the gravaton beam was more envisioned to lift up critical units so the ground army could break through.

At the moment, the Phoenix does the job of the Vulture when it should be doing the job of the sair.

Also easier to use could just mean a moving shot seems like a good thing to me overall.
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Leoj
Profile Joined January 2010
United States396 Posts
May 06 2010 18:23 GMT
#36
Feel free to buff the unit but nerf the sound that thing makes. D:
Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
May 06 2010 18:23 GMT
#37
On May 07 2010 03:21 lolaloc wrote:
I am seriously going to punch a wall if:

- Phoenix damage increased
- Phoenix cost and build time decreased

Me too! I think all they really need to do is allow for the attack/move. (Moving shot). And possibly even change movement speed or something.
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 06 2010 18:23 GMT
#38
i'd like to know why they are buffing phoenixes right now and make no mention of corruptors. theyre both similar air to air units but one is clearly very useful in all matchups and the other is only good for killing colossi. and halting production
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
May 06 2010 18:24 GMT
#39
Wtf who complained that Phoenixes were too weak or not enough fun to use? Didn't they watch Nony's stream? T_T

On a more serious note: this seems to indicate that there will be another patch that gets wasted on irrelevant stuff, which means another two weeks of beta time less to get to the important parts. My highly complex calculations estimate the probability of this game getting fixed before the end of beta to be 0.3142 now. Which means the probability of it being fubar is now approximately 0.6858.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
May 06 2010 18:24 GMT
#40
you know what, i don't care about phoenix, as long as they buff the hellion!

it will become my favorite unit : )
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