EPTWe are going to be making some changes in the next patch to Phoenix to make him a little easier to use and a little more powerful.
Nony will be happy
Pheonix buff inc!
| Forum Index > Closed |
|
Nfinite
United States25 Posts
We are going to be making some changes in the next patch to Phoenix to make him a little easier to use and a little more powerful. Nony will be happy | ||
|
Chriamon
United States886 Posts
| ||
|
ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
| ||
|
Intropy
Canada92 Posts
| ||
|
prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:08 lolaloc wrote: Are they basing unit buffs on the survey rather than analyzing them rationally? Seems to be the case. I wonder if they even know who nony is. | ||
|
KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
| ||
|
MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
im really excited to see what they plan to change, changing units is what blizzard does best oh god i <3 every single comment browder is making here | ||
|
paper
13196 Posts
| ||
|
imPERSONater
United States1324 Posts
| ||
|
Beardfish
United States525 Posts
| ||
|
distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
| ||
|
RiOrius
United States29 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:08 lolaloc wrote: Are they basing unit buffs on the survey rather than analyzing them rationally? Yeah, how dare they try to make the game, as a whole, more fun? Don't they know that pro-level balance is the only thing that matters? | ||
|
RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
| ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
You know... kind of like an Arbiter. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/FrozenArbiter/arbiter.gif) | ||
|
StorrZerg
United States13921 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:11 paper wrote: They really love their mothership and don't like addressing how people despise it lol :| sigh so true, mother ship is pretty terrible | ||
|
Windmonk
Canada93 Posts
2- Hellions now shoot a constant fire beam while moving like the void rays, so you cannot escape! | ||
|
Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
Good to see protoss air being buffed a bit though, and I can't wait for the overseers new ability :D. | ||
|
prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:12 RiOrius wrote: Yeah, how dare they try to make the game, as a whole, more fun? Don't they know that pro-level balance is the only thing that matters? I seriously hope that was sarcasm. | ||
|
phexac
United States186 Posts
While I do think that late game brood lords give toss problems, phoenix is really good at what it does. If they are made stronger still, it may help deal with brood lords, but things it already does well, it might become completely abusive at... | ||
|
University
United States263 Posts
| ||
|
Fontong
United States6454 Posts
Also, there is nothing wrong with encouraging more mech play. I can't wait to actually try the raven/tank/marine opening into ghost mech, especially once the hellion buff comes out. | ||
|
shindigs
United States4795 Posts
| ||
|
Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:09 prototype. wrote: Seems to be the case. I wonder if they even know who nony is. Even if nony use Phoenix well, it's still a pretty crappy anti-air unit if you compare it to the Corsair. | ||
|
ymirheim
Sweden300 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:12 distant_voice wrote: finally they make the units easier to use. micro is too demanding anyways -_- I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder. When I read making them a bit more easy to use I actually read that as the change they are making is to actually give phoenix and hellion some improved micro capability. Especially considering how much people have been asking for that. | ||
|
InRaged
1047 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:12 RiOrius wrote: Yeah, how dare they try to make the game, as a whole, more fun? Don't they know that pro-level balance is the only thing that matters? Game would be even more fun for everybody if they didn't ignore all other shitty units just because people didn't vote enough for them in some random survey O_o | ||
|
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Overseer upgrade should be cool. New spell for infestor is definitely welcome. Hellions - I don't really care. Making their attack no longer stop their movement for so long might be nice. | ||
|
vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
Oh, and FrozenArbiter - Epic post! :D | ||
|
Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:09 prototype. wrote: Seems to be the case. I wonder if they even know who nony is. No that is not what they are saying, they are refering more to how 'fun' the unit is. They aren't necessarily going to just 'buff' the unit, rather than change the ability to make it more of a useful/fun unit. Doesn't always mean buff. there can be lateral changes! ^^ | ||
|
Whalecore
Norway1111 Posts
| ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
| ||
|
avilo
United States4100 Posts
Zerg needs more buffs...really Dustin Browder? Really? How about buffing the reaper giving it a damage upgrade after factory tech to make it useful? Really? well...if they add in moving shot, then that'll be one step in the right direction + Show Spoiler + to Brood War playability with moving shot units. | ||
|
Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
So long as the core of Starcraft remains, that is: small selection of units, pretty much every single one is overpowered one way or another, everything has a job to do and things get awesomely complex when you start combining units together, the pro-gaming scene is going to be fine. And its funny how fickle some of you guys are. These are the same people that got us to this tight point of balance already. They don't just land these numbers by dumb luck. | ||
|
ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
- Phoenix damage increased - Phoenix cost and build time decreased Instead of - Phoenix backswing reworked. | ||
|
Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:07 Chriamon wrote: Yea this was posted in the other thread... A. your not a mod. B. This blizzard post was released today (5/06/10). | ||
|
Parnage
United States7414 Posts
At the moment, the Phoenix does the job of the Vulture when it should be doing the job of the sair. Also easier to use could just mean a moving shot seems like a good thing to me overall. | ||
|
Leoj
United States396 Posts
| ||
|
Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:21 lolaloc wrote: I am seriously going to punch a wall if: - Phoenix damage increased - Phoenix cost and build time decreased Me too! I think all they really need to do is allow for the attack/move. (Moving shot). And possibly even change movement speed or something. | ||
|
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
| ||
|
Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On a more serious note: this seems to indicate that there will be another patch that gets wasted on irrelevant stuff, which means another two weeks of beta time less to get to the important parts. My highly complex calculations estimate the probability of this game getting fixed before the end of beta to be 0.3142 now. Which means the probability of it being fubar is now approximately 0.6858. | ||
|
exalted
United States3612 Posts
it will become my favorite unit : ) | ||
|
Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:11 paper wrote: They really love their mothership and don't like addressing how people despise it lol :| I like it. In late game pvt it is a game winner: vortex can put half the terrans' army into the void while you take out the second one, and than surround and finish off the first. Also recall on production facilities is as good as in sc1, only you can recall your ENTIRE army. | ||
|
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:21 lolaloc wrote: I am seriously going to punch a wall if: - Phoenix damage increased - Phoenix cost and build time decreased Instead of - Phoenix backswing reworked. You're going to be disappointed when you read: - Phoenix buffed: Unit portrait art improved, looks 1.9375 times cooler! | ||
|
LunarC
United States1186 Posts
| ||
|
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:24 Asta wrote: Wtf who complained that Phoenixes were too weak or not enough fun to use? Didn't they watch Nony's stream? T_T On a more serious note: this seems to indicate that there will be another patch that gets wasted on irrelevant stuff, which means another two weeks of beta time less to get to the important parts. My highly complex calculations estimate the probability of this game getting fixed before the end of beta to be 0.3142 now. Which means the probability of it being fubar is now approximately 0.6858. Well, SC didn't get 'fixed' until patch 1.08 which was a few years after release... + Show Spoiler + So I'd like to see your complex calculations on the probability of the game getting fixed by 2012. | ||
|
MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
thor is probably gonna have less cast time, be smaller and in compensation less dmg or hp i think hellions will get a more stable attack (less cooldown and less dmg) phonix its a tough call tho. they might just decrease speed of it and make it more robust, maybe give it back the overload spell or w/e it was called. will be interesting :D im really happy they r trying to make the game more fun because that interests me more than balance atm | ||
|
Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:22 Dr.Frost wrote: A. your not a mod. B. This blizzard post was released today (5/06/10). Whats your point? Neither are you. On May 07 2010 03:26 MorroW wrote: since both infester and overseer is probably gonna get changed im putting my money on that they move the infested terrans to the overseer and add a complete new spell for infester That would be really sweet. I hope they go with this idea. | ||
|
prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:23 Zelniq wrote: i'd like to know why they are buffing phoenixes right now and make no mention of corruptors. theyre both similar air to air units but one is clearly very useful in all matchups and the other is only good for killing colossi. and halting production You dare defy the results of a random survey that ultimately decides the end result of SC2? | ||
|
lololol
5198 Posts
| ||
|
Noev
United States1105 Posts
| ||
|
Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
but yea...the buff to phoenix could be really good depending on how they do it. | ||
|
PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:23 Parnage wrote: You know the only problem with Phoenix is the job it was supposed to do is terrible at it. The Phoenix wasn't supposed to be a harras unit, it was supposed to be an air control fighter, something that could give toss control of the skies, the gravaton beam was more envisioned to lift up critical units so the ground army could break through. At the moment, the Phoenix does the job of the Vulture when it should be doing the job of the sair. Also easier to use could just mean a moving shot seems like a good thing to me overall. Why does it HAVE to do the job of the sair? Just because its a rough equivalent in tech? Maybe its not so good as an anti-air role because its so powerful as a harasser and even in a main army with the graviton beam disabling units. | ||
|
damon2400
United States172 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:13 Windmonk wrote: 1- Thor size reduced. 2- Hellions now shoot a constant fire beam while moving like the void rays, so you cannot escape! All they have to do is reduce the size to 1/4th and rename it goliath and I'll be happy. | ||
|
FearDarkness
United States519 Posts
 . | ||
|
PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:26 MorroW wrote: since both infester and overseer is probably gonna get changed im putting my money on that they move the infested terrans to the overseer and add a complete new spell for infester thor is probably gonna have less cast time, be smaller and in compensation less dmg or hp i think hellions will get a more stable attack (less cooldown and less dmg) phonix its a tough call tho. they might just decrease speed of it and make it more robust, maybe give it back the overload spell or w/e it was called. will be interesting :D im really happy they r trying to make the game more fun because that interests me more than balance atm Thor replaced with goliaths (which are in the campaign) - Thor now a campaign unit Phoenix becomes Corsair Added lurker =] | ||
|
LunarC
United States1186 Posts
I guess from a business standpoint that's all fine and solid, but trying to make everyone happy is only going leave some people very unhappy, and they choose to leave the ones who care the most about the game more or less in the dust. Awesome. | ||
|
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
| ||
|
MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On May 07 2010 03:13 FrozenArbiter wrote: The mothership would be awesome if it was a lot faster, and a bit less beefy. And not unique. You know... kind of like an Arbiter. FrozenMotherShip. | ||
| ||
