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Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 08:04:36
May 01 2010 07:28 GMT
#1
Objective: To live early game so you would have higher income to produce Hydralisks and Roaches mid game with all of your Hatcheries. (Not recommended on maps where you can get rushed in a very short time)

16 Hatch 15 Pool Build Order:
10 - Overlord
10 to 16 - Drones
16 - Hatchery
15 - Spawning Pool/Queen (You may add up to 2 Spine Crawlers if you feel unsafe)
16 - Overlord
@150 Minerals/100 Vespene - Make Lair
@150 Minerals - Make Roach Warren
NOTE- Make Drones whenever possible and spawn larvae as soon as you can. Use a Queen to make a creep tumor, spread it to all of your expos, and as close to your opponent's base as possible. Right after Lair, make your Hydralisk Den
30 - 2 Evolution Chambers, upgrade on missile attack and carapace.
If you're getting attacked, make lings/roaches at just the amount you need to fend it off. From your hatcheries, evenly divide the eggs, morph half of your eggs to Roaches, and another half to Hydralisks. For example, if you have 4 hatcheries, use 2 of the hatcheries to make Roaches and the other 2 to make Hydralisks. Don't forget to upgrade on Hydralisk Attack Range
Note that this build isn't perfect as I'm only a ranked 10 Gold League player.

Clarification - Once the Roaches and Hydralisks gets out, be as aggressive with it as possible, do it like a M&M would in SC1 and walk around the map with your army and destroying undefended bases. Once your army count gets big enough, go for your opponent's main base.

Countered By:
Any fast rushes

This build should not be used on any maps with a short distance from you and your opponent. The idea of a 16 hatch 15 pool was not by me, I got this idea from Idra.
EDIT: Er.. I forgot to add the [G] in my topic... Can an admin rename the topic name for me please?
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Deleted User 55994
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
949 Posts
May 01 2010 07:46 GMT
#2
does idra really get double evo that early or was that your modifications?
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
May 01 2010 07:54 GMT
#3
That was my modifications
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cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 07:57:03
May 01 2010 07:55 GMT
#4
Idra goes 15 pool 16 hatch, not 16 hatch 15 pool ... 16 hatch 15 pool would die to any kind of early aggression without fail.
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
May 01 2010 07:56 GMT
#5
I don't know Idras exact build order. All I know is Idra goes 16 Hatch 15 Pool very often and I prefer macro over micro so I decided to make a build for it.
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 07:57:46
May 01 2010 07:57 GMT
#6
On May 01 2010 16:55 cartoon]x wrote:
Idra goes 15 pool 16 hatch, not 16 hatch 15 pool ... 16 hatch 15 pool would die to any kind of early aggression without fail.

There's a reason I said modified. And hey, the build's working for me.
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 08:01:58
May 01 2010 07:57 GMT
#7
No, he does not go 16 hatch 15 pool. He goes 15 pool 16 hatch. Stop spreading misinformation.
On May 01 2010 16:57 Rebornx3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 16:55 cartoon]x wrote:
Idra goes 15 pool 16 hatch, not 16 hatch 15 pool ... 16 hatch 15 pool would die to any kind of early aggression without fail.

There's a reason I said modified. And hey, the build's working for me.

Why would you compare this to idras build when the two builds are so drastically different?? Modified means making a small change but keeping the core concepts - 16 hatch 15 pool is a completely different build from the first building you lay down.
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
May 01 2010 08:01 GMT
#8
On May 01 2010 16:57 cartoon]x wrote:
No, he does not go 16 hatch 15 pool. He goes 15 pool 16 hatch. Stop spreading misinformation.

I said I got the IDEA of a 16 hatch 15 pool from Idra. I never said it was HIS BUILD. And I only mentioned "modified" to make it clearer
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
May 01 2010 08:01 GMT
#9
On May 01 2010 16:57 cartoon]x wrote:
No, he does not go 16 hatch 15 pool. He goes 15 pool 16 hatch. Stop spreading misinformation.
I haven't watched enough to say what's common, but I've definitely seem him do the hatch first variant (HDH game against orb).
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
cartoon]x
Profile Joined March 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-01 08:04:46
May 01 2010 08:03 GMT
#10
I would like for you to show me a 16 hatch 15 pool build of idra. Do you have a replay?
On May 01 2010 17:01 Rebornx3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 16:57 cartoon]x wrote:
No, he does not go 16 hatch 15 pool. He goes 15 pool 16 hatch. Stop spreading misinformation.

I said I got the IDEA of a 16 hatch 15 pool from Idra. I never said it was HIS BUILD. And I only mentioned "modified" to make it clearer

But it has nothing in common with Idras build of 15 pool 16 hatch, so modified is not the correct word. Instead, you should of not compared the build to idra at all.
It is not enough to conquer; one must learn to seduce.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15356 Posts
May 01 2010 08:05 GMT
#11
Well, anyone can make a late hatch and a late pool.

Objective: To live early game so you would have higher income to produce Hydralisks and Roaches mid game with all of your Hatcheries.

Yet you give no instructions how to reach this objective. What exactly is the [G]uide here?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
May 01 2010 08:05 GMT
#12
I edited the post to say I got the idea from Idra only. Happy? Now you can't say I'm spreading "misinformation"
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.
Rebornx3
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada200 Posts
May 01 2010 08:07 GMT
#13
I give up. Just delete this post. >_>.
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