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On May 01 2010 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 04:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:On May 01 2010 04:52 MoMaN- wrote:MorroW : rdy? Vous : yes in 5min and go! MorroW : k Vous : go? MorroW : no admin gave me win u cant just go ladder in middle of tournament im playing other guy now Vous : ? i wasnt on ladder stop i said you wait 5 min stop be unfair Vous : i wasnt ladder i was waiting you on the ladder Vous : i was on the game wiating you and i was on the toilet.... i didnt play ladder you are so bad manner MorroW : admin told me u were playing its not my fault its too late now anyway sorry Vous : ... whuy you said me "ok"? for wait 5min i was shitting Vous : you always do that you are so fucking dumb So i was on the tournament, i maked the game for the 3rd round vs Morrow and i said him wait 5 min, he said me ok, i was on the toilet "shitting" and what he did? he said at the admin i wasnt here and i was playing ladder! And i maked the game for this match and he get the forfait! (it was exactly only 5min) So morrow will never change, fucking bad manner with 2 bo on starcraft2 cheese marines scv or expand first... he is so funny! he is lucky starcraft2 willnot lan atm And thx for the admin Cruft cup didnt do nothing! so you can take the win without play! nice admins saying me : Maista dit : for today youa re out, sorry lets play later for that ha ha ha nice morrow nice admins http://craftcup.com/index.php?site=newsfucking so dumb You can say "wtf"  was 3 weeks before this story Holy shit thats a pussy move by Morrow. Of course hes like 17 so that kind of immaturity doesn't stun me. Morrow just prolly has beef with Mamon. Given how Mamon gets sometimes i wont be jumping on hate Morrow bandwagon just for that lil thing. id just like to clarify i have nothing against moman just you know your manners can be irritating sometiems ie last Zotac vs naniwa?^^
Yes i said the thing, he insulting on the final of zotac cup when 5000 people looking the match with stream saying i am a cheater so yes i was so agressif and i said so many bad thing, but i hate people said something like that and think for him so many people think i am a cheater
And i apologized at all people (admins player streamer speectateurs) for what i said and i will not do again.
i dont say i am perfect, but i got my blood hot
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As my principle would do I must say that since one says that one kid did this and the other kid did that I think that until proof is found there is no way anyone can or should be punished.
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"yea but another point to consider is that even if what Cyclone says is correct it would give grounds to disqualify Moutas, yes, but not to advance Nightend. One thing is 100% certain is that Nightend has received preferred treatment. "
Agreed, Sfydjklm.
Cyclone25, if Nightend is unable to play in the tournament for some reason, even if it's out of his control, then that sucks for him. There's no reason why the whole tournament should break down and other people should get screwed over.
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On May 01 2010 05:03 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 04:59 DeA wrote:On May 01 2010 04:57 cyclone25 wrote:
hey DeA (aka Moutas), why don't you tell everyone the full story? Actually Nightend was online all the time, but had some problems with SC2 (couldn't add friends and chat with you - smth like that). He asked me to do it instead, so I contacted you on battlenet but you ignored my messages.
We waited some more, and then Nightend contacted an admin and also sent them a print screen I made with me contacting you about the game. You msged me when I was finishing my 3rd match and said something about him being online. I had him f added the whole time and he was never online. How come I could contact my previous opponents just fine and his account had a problem? And if he did have a problem then why not contact an admin sooner to resolve the matter? Why wait until I am ready to play my 4th round match? And you think brotkohl didn't check to see if he was online or not? Not gonna take sides here, but yesterday nobody could see me as online despite me being online - so it's possible that's what Nightend had.
whether nightend was online or not for the second match, as stated above, he was already FINISHED his THIRD match. I think, even though it is a short end of the stick for nightend, it would have been prudent to continue the tournament... action has passed already and 3rd round was played.. what is 3rd round player suppose to do if some 2nd round player has to rematch? rematch 3rd round?
the point is, this is in no way the participants fault, whether it was a misunderstanding, server problem or administrative disagreement.
the admin should have been in contact with each other as well in order to be consistent on how to deal any situation that arises.
lack of responsibility running a tournament is the problem here. its fine if you want to organize a tournament, just dont get 32 people to show up and then give them 2 hours of frustration and uncoodrination.
the admin said "walkover" therefore he walked over and played his third match. if i were in a tournament and i was an hour late, regardless of whether that reason was a heart-attack or simply didn't wake up in time, i would very much doubt they would restart the entire process just so i could participate. that is both irresponsible for the host tournament organizers and very selfish on my part if that is what i demanded.
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I hate reading crap like this. Hope whoever is at fault comes forward and the full story comes out (I'm not implying that the OP is wrong, but as you said, I always like seeing the full story from all sides) Sounds pretty bad, and hopefully they have a damn good explanation.
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On May 01 2010 05:08 MoMaN- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:On May 01 2010 04:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:On May 01 2010 04:52 MoMaN- wrote:MorroW : rdy? Vous : yes in 5min and go! MorroW : k Vous : go? MorroW : no admin gave me win u cant just go ladder in middle of tournament im playing other guy now Vous : ? i wasnt on ladder stop i said you wait 5 min stop be unfair Vous : i wasnt ladder i was waiting you on the ladder Vous : i was on the game wiating you and i was on the toilet.... i didnt play ladder you are so bad manner MorroW : admin told me u were playing its not my fault its too late now anyway sorry Vous : ... whuy you said me "ok"? for wait 5min i was shitting Vous : you always do that you are so fucking dumb So i was on the tournament, i maked the game for the 3rd round vs Morrow and i said him wait 5 min, he said me ok, i was on the toilet "shitting" and what he did? he said at the admin i wasnt here and i was playing ladder! And i maked the game for this match and he get the forfait! (it was exactly only 5min) So morrow will never change, fucking bad manner with 2 bo on starcraft2 cheese marines scv or expand first... he is so funny! he is lucky starcraft2 willnot lan atm And thx for the admin Cruft cup didnt do nothing! so you can take the win without play! nice admins saying me : Maista dit : for today youa re out, sorry lets play later for that ha ha ha nice morrow nice admins http://craftcup.com/index.php?site=newsfucking so dumb You can say "wtf" was 3 weeks before this story Holy shit thats a pussy move by Morrow. Of course hes like 17 so that kind of immaturity doesn't stun me. Morrow just prolly has beef with Mamon. Given how Mamon gets sometimes i wont be jumping on hate Morrow bandwagon just for that lil thing. id just like to clarify i have nothing against moman just you know your manners can be irritating sometiems ie last Zotac vs naniwa?^^ Yes i said the thing, he insulting on the final of zotac cup when 5000 people looking the match with stream saying i am a cheater so yes i was so agressif and i said so many bad thing, but i hate people said something like that and think for him so many people think i am a cheater And i apologized at all people (admins player streamer speectateurs) for what i said and i will not do again. i dont say i am perfect, but i got my blood hot
well all im saying is- what Morrow did is 100% wrong but i don't think we should be calling him evil just yet.
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On May 01 2010 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 04:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:On May 01 2010 04:52 MoMaN- wrote:MorroW : rdy? Vous : yes in 5min and go! MorroW : k Vous : go? MorroW : no admin gave me win u cant just go ladder in middle of tournament im playing other guy now Vous : ? i wasnt on ladder stop i said you wait 5 min stop be unfair Vous : i wasnt ladder i was waiting you on the ladder Vous : i was on the game wiating you and i was on the toilet.... i didnt play ladder you are so bad manner MorroW : admin told me u were playing its not my fault its too late now anyway sorry Vous : ... whuy you said me "ok"? for wait 5min i was shitting Vous : you always do that you are so fucking dumb So i was on the tournament, i maked the game for the 3rd round vs Morrow and i said him wait 5 min, he said me ok, i was on the toilet "shitting" and what he did? he said at the admin i wasnt here and i was playing ladder! And i maked the game for this match and he get the forfait! (it was exactly only 5min) So morrow will never change, fucking bad manner with 2 bo on starcraft2 cheese marines scv or expand first... he is so funny! he is lucky starcraft2 willnot lan atm And thx for the admin Cruft cup didnt do nothing! so you can take the win without play! nice admins saying me : Maista dit : for today youa re out, sorry lets play later for that ha ha ha nice morrow nice admins http://craftcup.com/index.php?site=newsfucking so dumb You can say "wtf" was 3 weeks before this story Holy shit thats a pussy move by Morrow. Of course hes like 17 so that kind of immaturity doesn't stun me. Morrow just prolly has beef with Mamon. Given how Mamon gets sometimes i wont be jumping on hate Morrow bandwagon just for that lil thing. id just like to clarify i have nothing against moman just you know your manners can be irritating sometiems ie last Zotac vs naniwa?^^
Yeah cuz naniwa totally didn't call MoMaN a cheater
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On May 01 2010 05:14 SpiDaH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2010 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:On May 01 2010 04:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:On May 01 2010 04:52 MoMaN- wrote:MorroW : rdy? Vous : yes in 5min and go! MorroW : k Vous : go? MorroW : no admin gave me win u cant just go ladder in middle of tournament im playing other guy now Vous : ? i wasnt on ladder stop i said you wait 5 min stop be unfair Vous : i wasnt ladder i was waiting you on the ladder Vous : i was on the game wiating you and i was on the toilet.... i didnt play ladder you are so bad manner MorroW : admin told me u were playing its not my fault its too late now anyway sorry Vous : ... whuy you said me "ok"? for wait 5min i was shitting Vous : you always do that you are so fucking dumb So i was on the tournament, i maked the game for the 3rd round vs Morrow and i said him wait 5 min, he said me ok, i was on the toilet "shitting" and what he did? he said at the admin i wasnt here and i was playing ladder! And i maked the game for this match and he get the forfait! (it was exactly only 5min) So morrow will never change, fucking bad manner with 2 bo on starcraft2 cheese marines scv or expand first... he is so funny! he is lucky starcraft2 willnot lan atm And thx for the admin Cruft cup didnt do nothing! so you can take the win without play! nice admins saying me : Maista dit : for today youa re out, sorry lets play later for that ha ha ha nice morrow nice admins http://craftcup.com/index.php?site=newsfucking so dumb You can say "wtf" was 3 weeks before this story Holy shit thats a pussy move by Morrow. Of course hes like 17 so that kind of immaturity doesn't stun me. Morrow just prolly has beef with Mamon. Given how Mamon gets sometimes i wont be jumping on hate Morrow bandwagon just for that lil thing. id just like to clarify i have nothing against moman just you know your manners can be irritating sometiems ie last Zotac vs naniwa?^^ Yeah cuz naniwa totally didn't call MoMaN a cheater
that is not the point of discussion here.
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"the admin said "walkover" therefore he walked over and played his third match. if i were in a tournament and i was an hour late, regardless of whether that reason was a heart-attack or simply didn't wake up in time, i would very much doubt they would restart the entire process just so i could participate. that is both irresponsible for the host tournament organizers and very selfish on my part if that is what i demanded. "
Agreed, NightOne.
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Even if Nigthend had a seizure, his dog was on fire, his pizza was late, even if his game is bugged, it doesnt matter. If he cant play within a certain amount of (Reasonable, in this case 15mins) time, he should get DQ'ed for not showing up.
He can sit and tell his friend to tell the tourney director that "hes online but the game isnt working" the entire day, but that doesnt get the match played, and with that, halting the progress of the tourney.
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Wow, there has definitely been a change in attitude about getting matches done on time since that thread about Huk's DQ a few weeks back.
I mean, this was definitely handled badly by the admins, but (and this is hypothetical for now because we don't know what happened) can you imagine if Nightend had been in communication with one admin about his computer problem, who assured him that he could still play if it was resolved by some certain time, and then another admin DQed him? Seems to me that would be even more unfair than what happened to Mouta, who after all could have stayed in the tourney if he had wanted to.
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admin note from CraftCup:
What Moutas was doing was very close to cheating. Explanation will be posted during the evening
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DEA !!! Name and Identifier please. It's AngeL.
I'm surprised haps mom still lets you play.
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On May 01 2010 05:25 Erucious wrote:
Even if Nigthend had a seizure, his dog was on fire, his pizza was late, even if his game is bugged, it doesnt matter. If he cant play within a certain amount of (Reasonable, in this case 15mins) time, he should get DQ'ed for not showing up.
He can sit and tell his friend to tell the tourney director that "hes online but the game isnt working" the entire day, but that doesnt get the match played, and with that, halting the progress of the tourney.
This, if your gear isnt ready/working its your own fault, even if its out of your control.
You are a race car driver, and your teams car breaks down, and is unfix able because a gasket/belt/computer system broke, they wont pause the race and wait for you.
It shouldnt matter that Night was online, he was unable to play and keep pace and is there fore DQ's.
How is it cheating if you cant see your opponent and neither can anyone else other than his "friend"
id also like to see the screen shot that was sent.
also further evidence of favoritism is just going to hurt the tournament, sure your best friend could be eliminated but its his loss.
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On May 01 2010 04:57 cyclone25 wrote:
hey DeA (aka Moutas), why don't you tell everyone the full story? Actually Nightend was online all the time, but had some problems with SC2 (couldn't add friends and chat with you - smth like that). He asked me to do it instead, so I contacted you on battlenet but you ignored my messages.
We waited some more, and then Nightend contacted an admin and also sent them a print screen I made with me contacting you about the game.
Hi, Romanian supposed-craftcup-admin-or-nightends-friend-or-something-similiar.
"Players who cause huge delays by going afk or having a lot of discs may possibly be removed from a running tournament. The active admin can take this decision when a match delays the progress of the whole tournament."
Straight from the rules.
"Coming to late 15 minutes will most likely result in a defloss. "
Straight from your rules.
Do you not think that him being unable to talk to friends or being seen online for over 25 minutes after the scheduled time isn't delaying the progress of the whole tournament?
Do you not think being over 25 minutes late is being late more than 15 minutes?
Didn't he just break 2 rules, then? Now, where do you see the rule "all this can be ignored if you over half an hour after your scheduled time post a screenshot of your friend messaging the player you're supposed to play"? I see it nowhere.
Do you not think that after playing your Round 3 match, going back to play your round 2 match is going to delay the tournament? Also, I'm REALLY curious of the basis at which the tournament would actually ban Moutas. "Hi, your opponent decided to break 2 of our rules but an hour later he wants to now play his round 2 match although you've played your round 3 match already, well fuck it you're disqualified from the tournament and he doesn't need to play his round 3 opponent since you already defeated him, that's the fairest possible decision AM I CORRECT?"
+ Show Spoiler [swearing] +Holy shit how retarded some idiots are in this world. These kinds of idiots really shouldn't be running tournaments if they can't even have a third-grader's common sense. Fucking favoritism and moronic decisions.
Also, post that screenshot. Why the hell would anyone care about you saying you got a screenshot but you not posting it? Sounds like you have nothing, or you just are not too bright.
And there was no basis on the DQ no matter what. What a retarded tournament, TL should boycott it and have it die if they do things like this.
I apologize if the language used isn't in TL standards.
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On May 01 2010 05:28 Maista wrote:
admin note from CraftCup:
What Moutas was doing was very close to cheating. Explanation will be posted during the evening
LOL the head admin told me that because I asked what to do and how long to wait for the 2nd round match it was like me cheating...
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This situation smells funny.. Especially the fact that nightend just gets autobye from the opponent this guy had allready beaten, that just seems really really weird. Going back and playing after you have allready won your next game is simply weird. Guess we will have to see what craftcup admins has to says for themselves, every case has 2 sides, but so far this seems really onesided
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