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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 30 2010 20:59 GMT
#121
From what it looks like based on nightend's explanation it all boils down to this:

Bnet 2.0 sucks.

People end up invisible for no reason and no chat channels = no communication.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
April 30 2010 21:01 GMT
#122
On May 01 2010 05:59 Ryuu314 wrote:
From what it looks like based on nightend's explanation it all boils down to this:

Bnet 2.0 sucks.

People end up invisible for no reason and no chat channels = no communication.

That doesn't explain Moutas "cheating" dunno why it takes tourney admins 2 hours to explain why he was disqualified
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-30 21:04:37
April 30 2010 21:02 GMT
#123
Ever heard the old saying "There's 3 sides to every story, one person's side, the other side, and then what actually happend" but craftcups brackets do support moutus' story (showing him win r2 over nightend and winning r3, and nightend not even playing r3 and appearing in r4!) there probably going to change it tho.....
:)
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 30 2010 21:02 GMT
#124
wow, that must be the longest sentence ever.
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
April 30 2010 21:03 GMT
#125
On May 01 2010 06:01 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 05:59 Ryuu314 wrote:
From what it looks like based on nightend's explanation it all boils down to this:

Bnet 2.0 sucks.

People end up invisible for no reason and no chat channels = no communication.

That doesn't explain Moutas "cheating" dunno why it takes tourney admins 2 hours to explain why he was disqualified


They're making up a "story" for sure ^^
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
April 30 2010 21:03 GMT
#126
Basically : nightend had a battle.net issue - and should have forfeited the game. ( first decision was correct - even if it's not his fault - you can't hold up the tournament because of one person ).

Admins tried to correct it in his favour and as a result screwed up the tournament for multiple other people.


www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Fogul
Profile Joined July 2009
United Kingdom179 Posts
April 30 2010 21:05 GMT
#127
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=xDkFaT only 34 viewers for Huk vs Jinro final O_O
Jdanzi
Profile Joined March 2010
England78 Posts
April 30 2010 21:06 GMT
#128
Well, there is razer games going on and not that many known players got to the grid, so it's not really surprising.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
April 30 2010 21:07 GMT
#129
that's what happens when more than 1 admin is managing the tournament >.> ...
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
Moutas
Profile Joined April 2007
Greece158 Posts
April 30 2010 21:08 GMT
#130
On May 01 2010 05:55 mTwNightEnD wrote:
Im realy sry that this happend ..
So i came on bnet at around 18.30 cet iv check-in in the cup then i waited the cup to start, after the cup started i saw i was in second round so i waited my oponent , after waiting like 30 min at 19.30 he won hi's first round so we had to play , i tryed to contact him but he didnt aswer nor i got any message from him , after 10 15 min after he was on the grid as winner of the 1st round iv asked 2 of my friend's to talk with him but he didnt answer so i just reported the problem on the crafcup site and after that in a few min one admin contacted me and he told me i got defloss becouse my opp said im offline after that i talked with him and he said he cant put me in the grid back becouse my opp was already playing round 3 and i was like wtf, he told me that another admin did a mistake and that we can play only if he will win round 3 if not he cant repair the situation and i said oke shit happen's , and luckly for me he won round 3 and admin told him about the mistake and asked him to play the round 2 but he didnt want to he was happy he got fw , what he is saying that he already played round 3 when my friend contacted i think its a lie but i cant prove that , the thing is i waited like 1 hour or more to play round 2 and he asked in 5 10 min for fw and after admin told him man u have to play round 2 we made a mistake he would get directly in to round 4 since he won round 3 so pls understand this i didnt ask for FW even if i waited 1 hour he did ask for fw after he waited 5 10 min , yes one admin did the mistake by giving him fw but this mistake could have been simply repaired if he had accpted to play the round 2 the truth is he didnt get what he wanted and that was a FW and now is crying about admin beign "friend" with me wich is lol becouse its first time in my life that i have a chat with any of thoes craftcups admins


First of all, I have nothing against you. This is CraftCup's fault for making such a problem.

Second, I didn't ask for a walkover, an admin gave me the walkover. I contacted an admin (brotkohl) so he can verify that you are not online and also tell me what rules there are and how long to wait.

Third, as I said previously, your friend contacted me when I was finishing my round 3 match. And that is a fact.

I am trying to get an explanation from the admins. There is no reason for you to post and try to make me appear like I am a little child ("he didnt get what he wanted and that was a FW and now is crying about admin beign "friend" with me wich is lol"). I also have never said anything about you being a friend or not with an admin. Stop posting nonsense. I have nothing against you.
aka DeA & GRC-DeathLink
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
April 30 2010 21:11 GMT
#131
On May 01 2010 05:57 Kralic wrote:
Finnaly more of the story. So many harsh judgements in this thread it is pretty pathetic. I am still reserving my final retarded comment for when all 3 stories are told. Of course 2 of them might be false but go together so someone is proved wrong! /tinfoil cap


If what Nightend says is true, though, it still looks bad for the CraftCup admins. It means that the original admin that spoke with Moutas didn't even bother to check for himself to see if Nightend was online or to contact him in any way.

So whoever you side on here, this was bungled pretty badly by one or more admins. Either the original walkover was a huge mistake by an overzealous admin, or the DQ of Moutas was an overreach by a different admin, or both!
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44982 Posts
April 30 2010 21:14 GMT
#132
I think we can all agree that the CraftCup should be completely dismantled, and that Husky and HD should host twice as many tournaments from now on. With Day9.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
AdahnSC
Profile Joined March 2010
United States376 Posts
April 30 2010 21:15 GMT
#133
this would be like if the dealer mucked a guys cards in poker, then the guy claims he had the winning hand, so they give the pot to that guy and disqualify his opponent for cheating.

seriously, wtf.
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-30 21:16:57
April 30 2010 21:16 GMT
#134
On May 01 2010 05:08 MoMaN- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:
On May 01 2010 04:57 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On May 01 2010 04:52 MoMaN- wrote:
MorroW : rdy?
Vous : yes in 5min and go!
MorroW : k
Vous : go?
MorroW : no
admin gave me win
u cant just go ladder in middle of tournament
im playing other guy now
Vous : ?
i wasnt on ladder
stop i said you wait 5 min
stop be unfair
Vous : i wasnt ladder i was waiting you on the ladder
Vous : i was on the game wiating you and i was on the toilet....
i didnt play ladder
you are so bad manner
MorroW : admin told me u were playing
its not my fault
its too late now anyway
sorry
Vous : ... whuy you said me "ok"? for wait 5min
i was shitting
Vous : you always do that you are so fucking dumb



So i was on the tournament, i maked the game for the 3rd round vs Morrow and i said him wait 5 min, he said me ok, i was on the toilet "shitting" and what he did? he said at the admin i wasnt here and i was playing ladder!
And i maked the game for this match and he get the forfait! (it was exactly only 5min)

So morrow will never change, fucking bad manner with 2 bo on starcraft2 cheese marines scv or expand first... he is so funny! he is lucky starcraft2 willnot lan atm

And thx for the admin Cruft cup didnt do nothing! so you can take the win without play! nice admins saying me :

Maista dit :
for today youa re out, sorry
lets play later for that


ha ha ha nice morrow nice admins


http://craftcup.com/index.php?site=news

fucking so dumb

You can say "wtf" was 3 weeks before this story

Holy shit thats a pussy move by Morrow.

Of course hes like 17 so that kind of immaturity doesn't stun me.

Morrow just prolly has beef with Mamon. Given how Mamon gets sometimes i wont be jumping on hate Morrow bandwagon just for that lil thing.

id just like to clarify i have nothing against moman just you know your manners can be irritating sometiems ie last Zotac vs naniwa?^^



Yes i said the thing, he insulting on the final of zotac cup when 5000 people looking the match with stream saying i am a cheater so yes i was so agressif and i said so many bad thing, but i hate people said something like that and think for him so many people think i am a cheater

And i apologized at all people (admins player streamer speectateurs) for what i said and i will not do again.

i dont say i am perfect, but i got my blood hot

"Swedish undead player, Naniwa has long been known for his boorishness and inappropiate conduct in the entire professional gaming scene. [...]"
(http://www.mymym.com/de/news/11751.html)
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
April 30 2010 21:20 GMT
#135
Wow what a mess. Technical difficulties and admins reversing decisions, it seems like the fault lies with the organisators and not the players. If they have learned something and can prevent future events to have such situations, maybe it will become a nice tourney after all.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Tone_
Profile Joined May 2009
United Kingdom554 Posts
April 30 2010 21:22 GMT
#136
I've played in CraftCup and had no such problems. But as far as I know it's a rather small scale tournament not run by hugely officlal groups. That did seem like a bad decision and must have been frustrating. But at the end of the day, it was a one time isolated incident, within a cash prize tournament that you were allowed to sign up and compete in for free. It can't be easy administrating events like this in game and mistakes are bound to happen.

I appreciate the frustration but the CraftCup guys do do a good job and people shouldn't feel put off by this post / incident.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre | 톤
bohuslav
Profile Joined March 2010
United States21 Posts
April 30 2010 21:27 GMT
#137
On May 01 2010 06:22 Tone_ wrote:
I appreciate the frustration but the CraftCup guys do do a good job and people shouldn't feel put off by this post / incident.


People shouldn't feel put off only if the admins explain what happened forthrightly and apologize at least for giving Moutas conflicting information and generally making boneheaded decisions.
NightOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada215 Posts
April 30 2010 21:30 GMT
#138
On May 01 2010 05:53 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2010 05:48 Bane_ wrote:
Even if there were valid reasons for placing Nightend back in instead of the OP, I don't get why he was allowed to skip over the 3rd and 4th round and hop right into the 5th...


Stop posting like this if you don't know what happened lol ... Nightend played round 4 vs Drafter and won the game. He skipped round 3 because that opponent wasn't online anymore.

As I said, let's wait for admins explanation.


TECHNICALLY ROUND 3 should now be back in the tournament now that are on ROUND 5 according to past logic and nightend should be DQ'd for "cheating" LOL...

then when ROUND 7 comes long.. we DQ the guy that was afk after losing the frist ROUND3 game and then Round 9... etc...

THIS IS WHY YOUR LOGIC IS COMLETELY FLAWED.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
April 30 2010 21:30 GMT
#139
wow im watching the finals and the announcer just left to smoke when its 2/1 in a bo5
:)
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
April 30 2010 21:35 GMT
#140
On May 01 2010 06:05 Fogul wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=xDkFaT only 34 viewers for Huk vs Jinro final O_O


Should have posted this stream earlier. Would have wanted to watch sooner if only i knew...
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