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HnR)Pride
Canada297 Posts
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old_blaggard
United States21 Posts
As to your statement about U.S. sizes: that's true, there are no standards. However, as I said, specific brands tend to be more consistent, with the big variation occurring between brands. Furthermore, the example sizes you gave for size Small of 34 inches to 46 inches has its median at 40 inches. 100 centimeters is equivalent to 39.3 inches, so calling size 100 a Small seems perfectly reasonable to me. Still, though, size conversion aside, I'm not the only person who has found his shirt to be a bit tight: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5993930 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6018809 Since it's clear that several customers felt that the sizes weren't marked as expected, it's only reasonable that Kore make an effort to respond and adapt to his customers' needs. Even if we are in fact all idiots, we're the idiots who are going to be spending our money on his shop. All right. I'm done with sizes. Thanks, Kore, for jumping through all of the hoops, and I look forward to the next batch of merchandise. | ||
kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On August 18 2010 11:53 old_blaggard wrote: I went back and re-measured my chest. Judging from the results and how the shirt feels, it almost certainly isn't over 100cm. I admit that I haven't measured the shirt itself, as measuring sewn and formed fabric can be a bit tricky, and I don't have the patience for that right now. As to your statement about U.S. sizes: that's true, there are no standards. However, as I said, specific brands tend to be more consistent, with the big variation occurring between brands. Furthermore, the example sizes you gave for size Small of 34 inches to 46 inches has its median at 40 inches. 100 centimeters is equivalent to 39.3 inches, so calling size 100 a Small seems perfectly reasonable to me. Still, though, size conversion aside, I'm not the only person who has found his shirt to be a bit tight: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5993930 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6018809 Since it's clear that several customers felt that the sizes weren't marked as expected, it's only reasonable that Kore make an effort to respond and adapt to his customers' needs. Even if we are in fact all idiots, we're the idiots who are going to be spending our money on his shop. All right. I'm done with sizes. Thanks, Kore, for jumping through all of the hoops, and I look forward to the next batch of merchandise. The people who are upset with sizes are upset because he put a "US equivalent." They took some US shirt they liked, checked the size, and ordered based on the matching US equivalent size Kore wrote. If Kore just said, "there is no such thing as a US equivalent, as there is no standard to US sizes - go measure yourself," everything should have worked out. Everyone in here asking others, "how will a 105 fit me, I'm 5'10", 190lb" is wasting their own time and others' time. It's the same as asking TL something that could be found on google in under a minute, except in this situation actually they can't get an accurate answer from TL - we need your body's dimensions to do that. Measuring your size is not only the only way you are going to ensure a proper fit, but it is also much faster and much more accurate than any body-type comparisons to other TLers, or basing decisions on "US equivalent" sizes. FYI: To measure the chest of a shirt, you lay it flat on the floor, measure from side seam to side seam across the chest, and multiply by 2. It gets hard if you try to measure it the same way you measure your chest (with a flexible tape measure around the whole thing), since you can't really hold it up and open while wrapping a tape measure around it. It's actually easier than measuring your chest if you do it this way. I understand some people have trouble measuring their chest because you unfortunately can't flatten yourself down to two dimensions and use a flat measuring device like you can with a shirt. If you don't have a flexible tape, simply wrap a cord (mouse cord works) around your chest, mark off the measurement, then measure the cord to that point. Alternatively, you can just find a shirt whose chest fits perfectly, measure it, and order the smallest size shirt equal to or greater than that chest measurement. This is probably the best way to do it for people not familiar with clothing dimensions, as they don't have to guess how much extra slack they want over and above their body's dimensions. I'll admit there are other factors that come in to play for people that seriously work out and don't have ideal proportions, but that's very, very few people here. That's why I will ask for more dimensions like neck size and sleeve diameter. For most people the chest will be the limiting factor, but if you develop a disproportionately large neck or biceps it helps to know all the dimensions and order based on your body's bottleneck. TL;DR in red for those wanting the easiest solution. Takes less than one minute and will work for 99% of the people here. And FWIW, I think verteqz's fits perfectly. It probably feels different than what he's used to, but it certainly looks good. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 18 2010 12:46 kOre wrote: If there were no clothes I would be very cold in the winter ... especially in Calgary lol Stay inside until you develop ways to run to your car without slipping on ice and landing face first on icy concrete. In retrospect I like clothes during the winter. | ||
verteqz
Canada89 Posts
On August 18 2010 12:46 LonelyMargarita wrote: The people who are upset with sizes are upset because he put a "US equivalent." They took some US shirt they liked, checked the size, and ordered based on the matching US equivalent size Kore wrote. If Kore just said, "there is no such thing as a US equivalent, as there is no standard to US sizes - go measure yourself," everything should have worked out. Everyone in here asking others, "how will a 105 fit me, I'm 5'10", 190lb" is wasting their own time and others' time. It's the same as asking TL something that could be found on google in under a minute, except in this situation actually they can't get an accurate answer from TL - we need your body's dimensions to do that. Measuring your size is not only the only way you are going to ensure a proper fit, but it is also much faster and much more accurate than any body-type comparisons to other TLers, or basing decisions on "US equivalent" sizes. FYI: To measure the chest of a shirt, you lay it flat on the floor, measure from side seam to side seam across the chest, and multiply by 2. It gets hard if you try to measure it the same way you measure your chest (with a flexible tape measure around the whole thing), since you can't really hold it up and open while wrapping a tape measure around it. It's actually easier than measuring your chest if you do it this way. I understand some people have trouble measuring their chest because you unfortunately can't flatten yourself down to two dimensions and use a flat measuring device like you can with a shirt. If you don't have a flexible tape, simply wrap a cord (mouse cord works) around your chest, mark off the measurement, then measure the cord to that point. Alternatively, you can just find a shirt whose chest fits perfectly, measure it, and order the smallest size shirt equal to or greater than that chest measurement. This is probably the best way to do it for people not familiar with clothing dimensions, as they don't have to guess how much extra slack they want over and above their body's dimensions. I'll admit there are other factors that come in to play for people that seriously work out and don't have ideal proportions, but that's very, very few people here. That's why I will ask for more dimensions like neck size and sleeve diameter. For most people the chest will be the limiting factor, but if you develop a disproportionately large neck or biceps it helps to know all the dimensions and order based on your body's bottleneck. TL;DR in red for those wanting the easiest solution. Takes less than one minute and will work for 99% of the people here. And FWIW, I think verteqz's fits perfectly. It probably feels different than what he's used to, but it certainly looks good. Thanks for the compliment, but I just gotta say for the CJ t-shirts at least, "just measuring" won't work. These things run snug, and I'm pretty familiar with Korean sizing having bought Korean apparel online more than a few times. Here is a size 100 Oz shirt for reference: ![]() I wanted the CJs to fit a bit tighter, but compare the pictures, the difference is more like 2 sizes. And it's not like the Oz shirt was loose or anything, it was in line with other 100 Korean shirts that I've bought. Just sayin'. | ||
yomi
United States773 Posts
On August 17 2010 03:11 verteqz wrote: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks kore, just a tad tight for my liking. If anyone wants my size 95 let me know. I'm 5'6" 130lbs for reference. dude you look like a baller you are straight stuntin for real. how many girls have you slept with since wearing the clothes out? | ||
LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On August 18 2010 13:53 verteqz wrote: Thanks for the compliment, but I just gotta say for the CJ t-shirts at least, "just measuring" won't work. These things run snug, and I'm pretty familiar with Korean sizing having bought Korean apparel online more than a few times. Here is a size 100 Oz shirt for reference: ![]() I wanted the CJs to fit a bit tighter, but compare the pictures, the difference is more like 2 sizes. And it's not like the Oz shirt was loose or anything, it was in line with other 100 Korean shirts that I've bought. Just sayin'. Your OZ shirt is 100. Your CJ shirt is 95, or do you have a 100 and a 95? The CJ is tapered more, but that only means less slack at the waist and hips; it doesn't change the way the chest fits. If you have a 100 CJ on in the pics, it looks like your particular shirt did actually run small, but based on what you said yours is a 95. My CJ 100 is bigger than my OZ 100: ![]() ![]() ![]() OZ is 20.625" x 2 x 2.54 = 104.775cm CJ is 20.75" x 2 x 2.54 = 105.41cm | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
On August 18 2010 12:46 kOre wrote: If there were no clothes I would be very cold in the winter ... especially in Calgary lol Grow fur? ^^ I really like how this thread has developed. So funny. k0re, maybe when the store gets with the new merch you could just remake this thread and axe this one to clean things up? thanks for all the work | ||
verteqz
Canada89 Posts
On August 19 2010 03:08 LonelyMargarita wrote: Your OZ shirt is 100. Your CJ shirt is 95, or do you have a 100 and a 95? The CJ is tapered more, but that only means less slack at the waist and hips; it doesn't change the way the chest fits. If you have a 100 CJ on in the pics, it looks like your particular shirt did actually run small, but based on what you said yours is a 95. My CJ 100 is bigger than my OZ 100: + Show Spoiler + ![]() ![]() ![]() OZ is 20.625" x 2 x 2.54 = 104.775cm CJ is 20.75" x 2 x 2.54 = 105.41cm You're lucky that your 100 is actually sized correctly. Here is my 95 CJ vs. 100 Oz ![]() Lining up at armpits: ![]() The CJ barely measures 16.5" x 2 = 33" at the chest. This is short of the 35-36" noted in the sizing charts. Compared to the Oz (or CJ) that is a size bigger, that's more than a 7" difference. I checked the CJ tag too - says 95, so I didn't get the wrong size. So really (at least for those who got 95s), it's not that people didn't measure, these simply run tight. I think with KT I'll grab both sizes just to be safe haha. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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xGrief
United States51 Posts
Here's a shitty picture of the tag against the 95 bag. I'll get my real camera back tomorrow and take a picture of the 90 tag. http://a.imageshack.us/img217/8889/cimg0091x.jpg I'm pretty sure there's not enough 95 shirts for CJ left to get an exchange and this isn't kOre's fault since the bag was labeled 95 and it's not like he could open and check each bag for accuracy. Still, I am kind of displeased and I'm not sure if I want to try and sell this/return for store credit for KT gear. | ||
LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On August 19 2010 04:25 verteqz wrote: + Show Spoiler + You're lucky that your 100 is actually sized correctly. Here is my 95 CJ vs. 100 Oz ![]() Lining up at armpits: ![]() The CJ barely measures 16.5" x 2 = 33" at the chest. This is short of the 35-36" noted in the sizing charts. Compared to the Oz (or CJ) that is a size bigger, that's more than a 7" difference. I checked the CJ tag too - says 95, so I didn't get the wrong size. So really (at least for those who got 95s), it's not that people didn't measure, these simply run tight. I think with KT I'll grab both sizes just to be safe haha. You're right. Just got mine in the mail, and the 95 black short sleeve appears to be a mislabeled 90cm shirt. Here's the black 95 on top of a white 95 (newer design), black 100, and white 105: ![]() ![]() Black 95: ~90cm White 95: ~95cm Black 100: ~105cm White 105: ~108cm I didn't really plan on wearing mine anyway, but the 95 is slightly over 90cm across the chest. Of course, Kore had no way of knowing this, and unless he knows the exact measurements of every size of every style of shirt, there's nothing he can do to prevent stuff like this. Hopefully this was a fluke by Italy's Fila plant. I imagine that was the case, as I've never had a clothing item that far BELOW the labeled dimension (they are often above it, though). Also, can anyone read this: ![]() | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
For sure the bottom one is the signature of Effort (Kim Jeong Woo) The top one is just a big mess that I have no clue about. | ||
MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
where did that Hwaseung OZ shirt come from? o_o | ||
iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
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