On April 22 2010 10:31 Silver777 wrote: I find the only way to beat broodlords, once a zerg actually gets to them(mostly on twilight fortress 2v2, but some on desert oasis and such), is to have an economic edge(at least 1 base ahead) and to basically just THROW dozens of blinking stalkers into them in the hopes that your sheer macro advantage will be enough to overtake them and whittle away his resources faster then he can completely DECIMATE yours.
Agreed. Brood lords are a bit too good at their job (at least against the protoss, can't speak for terran).
On April 22 2010 18:24 PatandPat wrote: man blink with stalkers and Ht with storm... very simple obviously wont counter if they get like 10 (but ive never seen a zerg get that many lol)
yeah they're still strong, although they were recently nerfed. But there's a strong window of attack midgame which protoss has. Broodlords swing it back for Z
just the concept of a flying fat manta ray spitting out little creatures to do damage is just silly. I just wish they just turn broodlord into a semi spell caster and take away the broodlings.
On April 22 2010 18:11 Glufs wrote: How are carriers against Broodlords? Same tier.
Obviously Carriers own Broodlords They can't hit air...
You missed the point. Then I could have said Phoenixes instead, but people complain they get owned by Corrupters. How about Carriers? Do they get owned by corruptors? If not, then they should be taken into consideration against broodlords, as they are the same tier (instead of just talking about low tier counters).
On March 05 2010 18:59 diehilde wrote: i dont think broodlords are too good atm, although I dont really know against protoss. but messing with them would seriously harm zvt balance, as its about the only thing that saves you from a maxed m&m&m&tank ball
ZvT Balance? I've noticed if I've got M&M full upgraded against broodlords who are also upgraded, broodlords just rip through my entire army in a few seconds. They're easily the best late game tech unit, Carriers and Battlecruisers don't even compare.
On April 22 2010 18:11 Glufs wrote: How are carriers against Broodlords? Same tier.
Obviously Carriers own Broodlords They can't hit air...
You missed the point. Then I could have said Phoenixes instead, but people complain they get owned by Corrupters. How about Carriers? Do they get owned by corruptors? If not, then they should be taken into consideration against broodlords, as they are the same tier (instead of just talking about low tier counters).
corruptor own carriers pretty easy (they are basically the hard counter)
I play terran and whenever zerg gets broodlords its an automatic victory for him. Vikings are supposed to counter them, but hydras will kill vikings fast, and even if you have a lot of vikings they cannot kill the broodlords fast enough as they have freaking 275 hp. The best thing is that the zerg can safely transition to them in every macro game.
Their hp needs to be nerfed, and they could also cost 6 food instead of 4 as they are now.
I think best way to deal with brood lords is stalker + blink since they are one of the only protoss units that do extra damage to armored (void rays aren't bad either, but are really gas heavy)
One idea I had was to maybe make them morph off of the Mutalisk rather than the corrupter.
Whenever I've had a macro game against a zerg they just get so many corrupters to get broodlords then however many they have left are just anti air. Atleast if they morph off of the mutalisk you won't have instant anti air, meaning Pheonix's would be alot better against Brood lords and even void rays as they won't already have a million corrupters just by building them to get lords.
I bet if people had an equal amount (resource wise) in void rays when BL popped out they would go down in a matter of seconds. I pop BL on a Protoss and for some reason they never see it coming and complain but the game has been going for a while so...
If he has BLs, you should have Medivacs, so if you see he is going for some broodlords, make more Medivacs, when they engage you, simply load your M&M ball into your Medivacs.
You should always have Vikings escorting them and killing BLs at the same time, Curruptors shouldn't be a problem because they cost a lot, and he doesn't have the resourses, because he spent them on BLs, unless he is way ahead, then it gets harder.
The only thing that should be changed in BL is that AA should attack the BL instead of Broodlings imo.
and for PvZ, I guess Voidrays and Psi storms maybe?
On April 22 2010 22:23 Topazas wrote: If he has BLs, you should have Medivacs, so if you see he is going for some broodlords, make more Medivacs, when they engage you, simply load your M&M ball into your Medivacs.
If you hide 3/4 of your army, you have to be far ahead and hope he has BLs only.
I play P and I agree that there is no real solution for brood lords however I am beginning to think archons may be a solution. Watch this vid:
My only problem is that the archons will just melt to the zergs ground/broodlings army before they even get in range to broodloords. I think a nerf the armor, hp, or range of the BL would be ok however I think the best solution is just to give them energy. Keep everything else the same however limit the length of periods they can shoot the broodlings. This will also give HT a fighting chance to FB the BL's if they are lucky enough to escape from the broodlings.
have you tried massing some archons.. seems they can AOE down the broodlings and then target fire the lords ftw. mix in sentry/stalker/storm and moderate phoenix
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