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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On April 23 2010 04:07 Wintermute wrote: Protoss have an absolutely unbeatable combo of colossi and void rays. Its a good thing very very few protoss know about this. ahahaha i was thinking the same thing, its funny in all these threads you get the feeling that the protoss player has NO IDEA what the colossus is | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
i agree with Plexa that protoss is pretty much screwed if zerg gets to BL. corruptors and hydras just ownz any protoss response. | ||
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ovideo
Romania1 Post
drumroll, please..... mass hallucination. Granted, it can be countered by an overseer, but without detection (snipe the overseer...) the hydras/corruptors will be busy shooting at the hallucinations while your *real* voidrays totally own those BLs. By the time the zerg gets 6 BLs, corruptor support and the mass hydras underneath you *should* have a nice number of sentries, let's say a low 10 to keep it simple. Say you have each sentry cast 1 hallucination because you want to keep some energy for fields/shields, that's 20 voidrays to confuse your opponent. Do they buy you enough time to wreak havoc? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 23 2010 04:25 Rice wrote: ahahaha i was thinking the same thing, its funny in all these threads you get the feeling that the protoss player has NO IDEA what the colossus is BLs completely own colossi and there's no way you will have a decent number of colossi AND void rays without already being economically ahead. Void rays and colossi are both pretty damn expensive and have relatively long build times. You also can't neglect the cost of all the zealots and stalkers and sentries that you will need to provide support and protection for your colossi and void rays. no one (good) is saying that BLs are unbeatable. rather, BLs do damage disproportionate to their cost. Like I've been saying, in order to beat BLs you need to have an economic advantage before the Zerg gets BLs otherwise you will lose. | ||
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
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Hallitossis
United States11 Posts
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WorkersOfTheWorld
United States619 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:04 Hallitossis wrote: Collossi come out sooner and dominate zerg ground just as hard. You're right, they're out sooner. You're way wrong about them dominating just has hard. Certainly not with neural parasite now at 9 range. This is gunna be a really lolzy patch for PvZ. | ||
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MrStorkie
United Kingdom697 Posts
and given the fact that protoss antiair is weak... usage of broodlords vs P almost always spell GG | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
Throw down Guardian Shields, have at least 2 Colossi to insta-roast any Hydras, and blink your Stalkers in range. Obviously, positioning plays a huge role. Can somebody make a video of mass Blinkers + 2+ Colossus vs. Mass Hydra + BL? I want to be able to see how exactly it would play it (well, not exactly, but you know what I mean) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:23 Zeke50100 wrote: Considering that mass Stalker is fairly powerful against anything the Zerg has (save for Zerglings, which is why you have Colossi), Blinkers should be able to take care of Brood Lords. Throw down Guardian Shields, have at least 2 Colossi to insta-roast any Hydras, and blink your Stalkers in range. Obviously, positioning plays a huge role. Can somebody make a video of mass Blinkers + 2+ Colossus vs. Mass Hydra + BL? I want to be able to see how exactly it would play it (well, not exactly, but you know what I mean) What game are you playing? Stalkers are mediocre against everything the Zerg has. They simply die too fast against everything. Often, Zerg will accompany BLs with hydralisks and hydralisks absolutely demolish stalkers. Colossi do a good job at killing hydras, but BLs do a good job at killing colossi. In addition, neural parasite has range of 9 again so that's another colossi killing skill for the Zerg. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On April 23 2010 04:07 Wintermute wrote: Protoss have an absolutely unbeatable combo of colossi and void rays. Its a good thing very very few protoss know about this. Collossi and what?! Mutas will rape that. The Void Rays won't be doing jack diddly to them before they fall to bits. Then there's Roaches/Hydras. What, are the Collossi gonna tank Hydra and Roach damage while you wait for your Void Rays to charge up? Even sending a suicidal wad of Corruptors in to focus-fire Collossi would work just fine, since Collossi can't outrun them. They'll easily fall before the Void Rays charge up. Are you nuts? | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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febreze
167 Posts
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:47 febreze wrote: I see broodlords as the equivalent to battlecruiser and carriers. Carriers are much worse compared to Battlecruisers and Broodlords though. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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oaax
Norway38 Posts
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fulmetljaket
482 Posts
On March 05 2010 17:44 0neder wrote: Can point defense drone intercept the broodlings? yes. | ||
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imbecile
563 Posts
So they are very hard to get, but easy to prepare for against and counter (just not with ground units other than stalkers). So the only nerf I could agree with is reducing their attack rate, possibly with increasing their damage again. As a result you get less broodlings per lord, so the critical mass of broodlords is higher, maybe at about 6-7 instead of 4-5. Less broodlings means less meat shield, so a ground army can manage them and move past them with some micro. And the reduced tanking ability of the Brood Lords would open up the possible use of Ultras again. And a nice upgrade for the Ultra would be a charge-like ability, maybe call it blood rage, with a cooldown or even energy, that can push non massive ground units around in an AOE and break tight balls up. Would work incredibly well in combination with Zerglings, due to the increased area of attack that results from that. | ||
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virusak
Czech Republic344 Posts
On April 23 2010 04:25 Rice wrote: ahahaha i was thinking the same thing, its funny in all these threads you get the feeling that the protoss player has NO IDEA what the colossus is oh, how unbeateable, except for eny air unit... | ||
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