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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
I thought StarCraft was nearly perfectly balanced, that the only imbalances were map imbalances, and that every race could beat every race on the highest level of play. Is this true? T_T AND NO FANBOY POSTS!!! If you're sick of getting rolled by one race, don't make a rage post about how imba that race is just because it owns you. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
This post is so vague that it hurts my head. Of course any race and beat any race... at any level.. >.< | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
Movie defies the logic behind PvZ. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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TeWy
France714 Posts
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gjg.instinct
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
No way for zerg to win anything unless he like 10x better. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
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Glaucus
479 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Mienio
Poland40 Posts
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
 Fuck this shitty game! | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
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gjg.instinct
144 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:24 nK)Duke wrote: You can't say that it's imbalance because you can not measure the skill of an individual. You can only measure it if one put 3 exact copies of a guy into a room and let them train for the exact amount of time. The only difference is that they play different races. Don't think that would be a good comparison personally. Each time, protoss would almost invariably be the dominant race. Practice time is a variable factor within the balance, but it isn't a constant, even though the potential of each race is (so far). | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
I don't know though, haven't Zerg won against Terran in MSL and OSL finals? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:31 538 wrote: Trollbait MMM yummie! | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
DONT BELIEVE THE LIES | ||
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koreasilver
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:29 shavingcream66 wrote: THIS GAME SUCKS Wasn't there a blog about this...? | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
and then you hav terran imbal, the vulture for example costs nothing, builds in 2-3 seconds and can plant mines which can kill like 4-5 hydras in 1 hit. and you get 3 of them per 75 min. that is 25 min investment to killz 4 hydra (300 min + 100 gas) and if you cant kill a bunch of workers with a run by your first time, you can just build more. irridiate can kill any organic unit with one cast except the ultra. emp makes arbiters worthless then you have zerg, which can expandd to like 5 bases or more without penalty, and lings/lurkers/ultras are invincible in dark swarm except to firebats and tank splash dmg. plusyou can consume lings at 25 apop so you only need like 1 o2 defilers total to keep casting speelz forever. and plaguu can get like all the vessels you want so you can clean up them easily with only 1 muta. | ||
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JellyJesus
United States16 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:24 Mienio wrote: That game is more balanced than Rock Paper Scissors xD Fucking scissors is rigged. | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:35 koreasilver wrote: BLADEMASTER IS BROKEN. Hahaha, nice trolling. I am beginning to really love these forums, you guys keep up the trolling. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:46 vOddy wrote: Hahaha, nice trolling. I am beginning to really love these forums, you guys keep up the trolling. your going to get banned for this. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:26 jkillashark wrote: Metagame, man. Metagame. This, and the evolution of play for the 3 races. Balance swings back and forth. | ||
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Hugo(Sphere)
United States44 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
The biggest, most noticeable disparity is probably in ZvT. That MU punishes zerg so so hard. | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:54 Triple7 wrote: Just get rid of psi-storm and irradiate, and maybe even stim. I think that would solve everything. Just get rid of hydra speed. and Mutalisks and maybe even Swarm. I think that would solve your world | ||
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etch
Canada176 Posts
Also, the sheer complexity of a game like Starcraft means that it's very difficult (if not impossible) for it to be perfectly balanced. That being said, it comes pretty damn close. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
If there is any real imbalance in a matchup it mostly depends on the map. There where some Maps where Protoss beat Terran over 75% percent of the time for example. | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:15 Zozma wrote: BW is imbalanced. No way for zerg to win anything unless he like 10x better. Fanboy comment. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
At the newbie level where most people play starcraft, on maps like BGH, hunters, and Fastest, Protoss is imbalanced, Terran is weakest. Check your last 10 games on bnet 2v2/3v3/4v4 and count the number of tosses. People tend to choose the easier race. ^I think I provided good evidence towards the imbalance issues. The rumor about Terran > Zerg > Protoss > Terran was probably just a rumor. Or wait... are protoss good against spider mines and emp shockwave? Do they have some dark swarm ability that can be cast 6 times from one defiler that nullifies the attack of (almost) every terran unit? | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
It is definitely not perfect, but its better than all the other shit out there | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:12 Nevuk wrote: Not even very true at newb level. The balance in broodwar isn't perfect but overall it's closer than chess' balance. Err... You can't get more balanced than chess man. Chess is guaranteed to be balanced because there are no "races", you start with the EXACT same thing (You do in starcraft obviously... nexus,cc,hatch and 4 workers, it's just 3 different races) Regardless, SC is balanced to the point any imbalances have been eliminated.. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
Starcraft is balanced. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On January 22 2010 07:36 TwilightStar wrote: Err... You can't get more balanced than chess man. Chess is guaranteed to be balanced because there are no "races", you start with the EXACT same thing White goes first. Not perfectly balanced. | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
On January 22 2010 07:36 TwilightStar wrote: Err... You can't get more balanced than chess man. Chess is guaranteed to be balanced because there are no "races", you start with the EXACT same thing (You do in starcraft obviously... nexus,cc,hatch and 4 workers, it's just 3 different races) Regardless, SC is balanced to the point any imbalances have been eliminated.. The imbalance in chess and other board games (like go or shogi) comes from the fact that the person that goes first has a distinct advantage. We've made up for this with the komi in go (I don't know what it's called in chess), but in chess that only applies if you're playing a scored game, I believe... I think that's the imbalance he's talking about. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On January 22 2010 07:40 HeartOfTofu wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chessThe imbalance in chess and other board games (like go or shogi) comes from the fact that the person that goes first has a distinct advantage. We've made up for this with the komi in go (I don't know what it's called in chess), but in chess that only applies if you're playing a scored game, I believe... I think that's the imbalance he's talking about. rock paper scissors is the way to go if you want perfect balance. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8025 Posts
So yeah, there are map imbalances, but that varies all the time. On certain stupid original maps without natural and stuff it will be so P > T or Z > P that it's ridiculous. Then it's map designers who basically correct the metagame all the time. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On January 22 2010 06:46 vOddy wrote: Hahaha, nice trolling. I am beginning to really love these forums, you guys keep up the trolling. cnc3 voddy? | ||
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Sadist
United States7327 Posts
On January 22 2010 07:31 obesechicken13 wrote: At the pro level there are more high level terrans than protoss and zerg. In fact the number of terran in top 60 >=? the number of protoss and zerg in top 60 (I remember reading this in the 6 dragons thread). However Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash hold the balance in the heavens pretty well. At the newbie level where most people play starcraft, on maps like BGH, hunters, and Fastest, Protoss is imbalanced, Terran is weakest. Check your last 10 games on bnet 2v2/3v3/4v4 and count the number of tosses. People tend to choose the easier race. ^I think I provided good evidence towards the imbalance issues. The rumor about Terran > Zerg > Protoss > Terran was probably just a rumor. Or wait... are protoss good against spider mines and emp shockwave? Do they have some dark swarm ability that can be cast 6 times from one defiler that nullifies the attack of (almost) every terran unit? there are very few elite terrans nowadays compared to zergs and protoss. There hasnt been a dominant terran for years aside from flash now. The thing about terran IMO is that there are some that can snipe people but in longer series they have no chances. You need a bit of luck unless you are just godly like flash. | ||
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rredtooth
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