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On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title
You're embarrassing yourself.
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On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title
I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better?
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On August 14 2009 20:49 Hinanawi wrote:
Yarnc for OSL
Iris for MSL
Flash for GOM
I would cream myself.
Fixed.
No I am not a Jaedong hater, just a Yarnc fan.
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On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title
tyrant =/= maestro
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On August 14 2009 20:49 Hinanawi wrote:
Jaedong for OSL
Iris for MSL
Flash for GOM
I would cream myself.
lol you're right, i hope this happen though!
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On August 14 2009 20:49 levelzx wrote:
I mean it seriously: SC2 should have an option of choosing spawning points for the units that pop out of the Factories. Without it, many games will end like today's 4th one. Symmetrical maps are OK, but the thing is that BroodWar does not give a chance for your troops to be sent out where you really want to, so as a result, some walls are doomed to fail.
To be fair, this is exploited to the builders benefit just as much as it punishes them. I don't see it being unfair.
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On August 14 2009 20:48 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:47 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Why don't people understand that this was a pure build order win in the last game? FantaSy took the risk that he can't defend vs a Zerg that is 9pooling with that wall and Jaedong went 9 pool speed so FantaSy lost.
Its not a choke - he just took a risk and it didnt pay off. it wasn't a good risk to take because it didn't have any potential benefit. why wall off against fast lings if the wall also fails against fast lings
yep thats very true. he'd have been better off with a 10rax and sorta lock-and-key building placement with a bunker. there should have been some sort of backup plan for his build, which is exceedingly effective at every position but the one he spawned at. choosing to continue the path regardless was a very poor choice
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On August 14 2009 20:49 levelzx wrote:
I mean it seriously: SC2 should have an option of choosing spawning points for the units that pop out of the Factories. Without it, many games will end like today's 4th one. Symmetrical maps are OK, but the thing is that BroodWar does not give a chance for your troops to be sent out where you really want to, so as a result, some walls are doomed to fail.
dont wall then..
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On August 14 2009 20:49 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:45 Alsar wrote:
In the 4pool game, I noticed that once jaedong pushed in with more lings to take down the bunker, he started attacking fantasy's scv line first a bit before he went for the bunker. I'm wondering if that was to trick fantasy into not desperation running for the bunker and instead thinking that JD was just going for the scvs instead, so his lings could get over before the scvs did? yes. the purpose is twofold: first, to take focus away from the lings that are coming in from the other side (this is what happened, it's the terran's responsibility to have the presence of mind to notice the additional lings), and to force scvs to stack up which slows their progress to the bunker in case the terran does notice the additional lings it was pretty much a flawless execution of basically the only attack that coulda salvaged that game for jaedong, really well done. people are definitely taking credit away from JD in terms of his perfect execution of that attack. flood lings into the mineral line, threatening to kill SCVs, then when fantasy responds by stacking his scvs he immediately switches to the bunker with the help of the other lings flanking.
Zoler read this for reference.
LOL I can't believe you said you would win that game as Jaedong.
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On August 14 2009 20:51 ShaperofDreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:49 lazz wrote:On August 14 2009 20:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:45 Alsar wrote:
In the 4pool game, I noticed that once jaedong pushed in with more lings to take down the bunker, he started attacking fantasy's scv line first a bit before he went for the bunker. I'm wondering if that was to trick fantasy into not desperation running for the bunker and instead thinking that JD was just going for the scvs instead, so his lings could get over before the scvs did? yes. the purpose is twofold: first, to take focus away from the lings that are coming in from the other side (this is what happened, it's the terran's responsibility to have the presence of mind to notice the additional lings), and to force scvs to stack up which slows their progress to the bunker in case the terran does notice the additional lings it was pretty much a flawless execution of basically the only attack that coulda salvaged that game for jaedong, really well done. people are definitely taking credit away from JD in terms of his perfect execution of that attack. flood lings into the mineral line, threatening to kill SCVs, then when fantasy responds by stacking his scvs he immediately switches to the bunker with the help of the other lings flanking. Zoler read this for reference. LOL I can't believe you said you would win that game as Jaedong.
i thoguht zoler waas saying he'd win as the terran lol thats why hes saying fantasy is just greedy?
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Aww that kind of a rule exists? ;; I try to criticize players I don't like relatively reasonably harshly but still without using bad words x.x I hope that's... allowed ;; If not, I'll be more nice ^_^
Anyway, Fantasy should have prepared a different build for that position. It's like he was 100% relying on JD not doing anything faster than a 12pool.
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On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
umm... no
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On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better?
u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship
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On August 14 2009 20:49 Hinanawi wrote:
Jaedong for OSL
Iris for MSL
Flash for GOM
I would cream myself.
Sounds really nice. Damn. I cant wait for Gom. And that 4pool play from JD was really really really clever. he threatened fantasy to think he´s going for the scv but at the moment fantasy decides he only needs to hold them off he goes for the heart. Isnt that typical predator behaviour? Going for the weak spot after intimidating your prey?
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On August 14 2009 20:52 o3.power91 wrote:umm... no
it kinda does.
i cant explain it myself but MSL is just so much less prestigious and grand and whatever than OSL.
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On August 14 2009 20:50 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:49 levelzx wrote:
I mean it seriously: SC2 should have an option of choosing spawning points for the units that pop out of the Factories. Without it, many games will end like today's 4th one. Symmetrical maps are OK, but the thing is that BroodWar does not give a chance for your troops to be sent out where you really want to, so as a result, some walls are doomed to fail. To be fair, this is exploited to the builders benefit just as much as it punishes them. I don't see it being unfair.
it'd be fair though (if its applied on sc:br)
if it was python, wouldnt it be advantageous for the P if T was in a cross position? and advantageous for T if it was close position? i think random spawn points is a balancing feature
EDIT: grammar
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On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship
actually thats more our perspective than theirs. proleague grand final is the single most important event to every progamer
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On August 14 2009 20:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:48 o[twist] wrote:On August 14 2009 20:47 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Why don't people understand that this was a pure build order win in the last game? FantaSy took the risk that he can't defend vs a Zerg that is 9pooling with that wall and Jaedong went 9 pool speed so FantaSy lost.
Its not a choke - he just took a risk and it didnt pay off. it wasn't a good risk to take because it didn't have any potential benefit. why wall off against fast lings if the wall also fails against fast lings yep thats very true. he'd have been better off with a 10rax and sorta lock-and-key building placement with a bunker. there should have been some sort of backup plan for his build, which is exceedingly effective at every position but the one he spawned at. choosing to continue the path regardless was a very poor choice
also, what happened to his first marine again? if i remember correctly he had enough time to lift the barracks and bring the marine to the other side of the wall, didn't he? he would have been fine then, but i don't remember how the timing exactly worked out. that was just ugly
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On August 14 2009 20:52 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 20:50 Tinithor wrote:On August 14 2009 20:48 pr0t0ss wrote:
LJD play is beautifull
it's like a classic music, like a symphony
he deserved everyone of his wins
what can fantasy do? some bunker cheese?
MSL mean much less than OSL after all
this OSL became Jaedong's coronation for the bownja, best of the best of the best al times, etc. title I just do NOT understand how people can be SO BIASED to one side or the other! I really cant! Jaedong failed in Proleague Grand Finals, Fantasy failed in OSL Semi Finals, who the fuck are YOU to judge who is better? u need to calm down. simiple fact is that, for whatever reason, OSL championships are worth the most for an individual player. Winning a few games in Proleague is commendable but doesn't hold the same clout as an OSL championship
And this just makes the 0-3 that Jaedong got in Proleague Grand Finals (MOST important for E-Sports and the team as a whole) just disappear? I'm not trying to say either one is more important, but it is NOT fair to either player when the fans are such downright BULLHEADS about it.
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On August 14 2009 20:52 Shikyo wrote:
Aww that kind of a rule exists? ;; I try to criticize players I don't like relatively reasonably harshly but still without using bad words x.x I hope that's... allowed ;; If not, I'll be more nice ^_^
Anyway, Fantasy should have prepared a different build for that position. It's like he was 100% relying on JD not doing anything faster than a 12pool.
discussing the games is ok! i'm a GIGANTIC fan of fantasy and ive been talking about how bad he played for the last few pages
just don't be a jerk ^_____^
evilteletubby is up in dis thread too
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