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On July 12 2009 19:33 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 19:31 Chanted wrote:
Idra next bonjwa, yeah sure lol. He is just winning "everything" BIAS more please. How can he be a bonwja when he keeps getting owned by the chineese..
As for him participating in foreign leagues, many leagues excludes Chinese because they have their own leagues, guess what, so does Idra. He has a progamer liscense for gods sake. Considering chinese are banned from most tournements (because they lag and because they beat everyone) Idra will win pretty much every tournement there is. So does it really help the foreign scene to have someone win every tournement? I seriously doubt that, and if i was in rets shoes I would be pretty pissed. Getting beaten in an amateur tournement by a professional.
Idra doesnt get to talk to other koreans because he is to lazy to learn korean, BOOHOO Funny that Artosis uses thats as a reason for him to play in foreign tournements, that basically says all about his good reasoning shut up ,you know nothing.
Yeah and you do ? Dumbass
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I don't understand all these excuses and "oh he just doesn't care" shit people are pulling out. JD got outplayed, by a better player, that's all there is to it. Effort rocks.
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On July 12 2009 20:05 UGC4 wrote:
yes samachking thats exactly what im asking. okay, suppose JD practices this with somebody, which he clearly did by the simple fact that he came up with a great strategy. he doesnt just practice the scenario where he tricks the opponent and that person goes "omg wtf more lings than i expect oh im done gg", he had to also practice the scenario where, after he didnt reinforce, his opponent countered. but did he? he did have 4 lings to either go back or go all in like u said, but why only 4 lings is the question? it would have been so so stupid for effort to go back (which he kinda did but then he didnt) it was obvious...i just dont think JD followed up his strategy properly at all...
I think Effort thought jaedong had more lings incoming and then realised there were only 4 and went for the counter
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United States1865 Posts
Honestly this is a bit overhyped. JD has lost a ZvZ series before btw (to July in WCG) and looking at the games the only thing that was a bit worrying was his decision to send the 4 lings in for a backstab after his successful early aggression. That wasn't smart and EffOrt played it out 100% perfectly by sending only 2 lings back and rushing the rest to JD's base. If this game showed one thing its that EffOrt isnt just another zerg. He is practicing just as hard as JD and that "wiggle room" that JD has in ZvZ because of his micro does not exist when he plays Effort. Its an even match.
Everyone can call game 2 greedy but honestly its just ZvZ. If Effort had gone 12 pool or even just 9 pool JD mightve had a decent shot but 9 pool speed completely slammed the door shut and thats just luck of the draw.
I'm hope they will meet up again in MSL and we can have some more opportunities to see how this plays out.
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On July 12 2009 20:06 psion0011 wrote:
I don't understand all these excuses and "oh he just doesn't care" shit people are pulling out. JD got outplayed, by a better player, that's all there is to it. Effort rocks.
Game 2 was not being outplayed, game 1 was being outplayed for sure though. Game 2 was just a plain bo win, if JD went 9pool speed in game 1 he would have won directly too, but thats how mirrors work.
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On July 12 2009 20:10 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 20:06 psion0011 wrote:
I don't understand all these excuses and "oh he just doesn't care" shit people are pulling out. JD got outplayed, by a better player, that's all there is to it. Effort rocks. Game 2 was not being outplayed, game 1 was being outplayed for sure though. Game 2 was just a plain bo win, if JD went 9pool speed in game 1 he would have won directly too, but thats how ZvZ's work.
Fixed. 
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On July 12 2009 19:59 Mannerheim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 19:56 Batibot323 wrote:On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there. He could have cared more on winning the OSL but, it's still far away.OSL>Gom prestige-wise. Though, he should have won this game. He should have microed his hardest during game 1. He already had the strategical advantage against effort in game 1. T_T Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone.
the winner of gom gets 30'000$ (40million won) not 4'000 i f i remember correctly.
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On July 12 2009 20:18 altered wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 19:59 Mannerheim wrote:
Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone. the winner of gom gets 30'000$ (40million won) not 4'000 i f i remember correctly.
This was a special "match prize" from Blizzard, as seen in the upper left corner after the game.
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On July 12 2009 20:18 altered wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 19:59 Mannerheim wrote:On July 12 2009 19:56 Batibot323 wrote:On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there. He could have cared more on winning the OSL but, it's still far away.OSL>Gom prestige-wise. Though, he should have won this game. He should have microed his hardest during game 1. He already had the strategical advantage against effort in game 1. T_T Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone. the winner of gom gets 30'000$ (40million won) not 4'000 i f i remember correctly.
They also get 4000 for making it to the semis.
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1- i agree "jd doesnt care" is irrelevant, JD vs Effort is the equivalent of bisu vs stork or flash vs leta right now, even if it was for fuckin battle.net attack they would play their best, regardless of money, tournament standing, etc. they are just race-rivals and thats what race-rivals do, they play their best against each other (stork, who has been rather inconsistent lately, played his best against the better-at-that-time bisu last time they met). so hell yeah JD cares.
2- how can you guys really say effort outplayed JD in game one? okay, he won that game, but mind you, what JD did was certainly a fuckin pimpest play in my book, just by the mere thought of it. that right there won me over and im not even a jaedong fan, but it shows class, something new in a very standard mirror match up. just so lamentable that he didnt follow up properly, but cmon...effort is good hes great he kicks ass yes he sure does...but outclassing someone like JD takes a lottt more than 2 wins, one by BO advantage. at least for me it does...
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On July 12 2009 20:19 Mannerheim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 20:18 altered wrote:On July 12 2009 19:59 Mannerheim wrote:
Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone. the winner of gom gets 30'000$ (40million won) not 4'000 i f i remember correctly. This was a special "match prize" from Blizzard, as seen in the upper left corner after the game.
thx, seems i misunderstood something.
On July 12 2009 20:19 DM20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 20:18 altered wrote:On July 12 2009 19:59 Mannerheim wrote:On July 12 2009 19:56 Batibot323 wrote:On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there. He could have cared more on winning the OSL but, it's still far away.OSL>Gom prestige-wise. Though, he should have won this game. He should have microed his hardest during game 1. He already had the strategical advantage against effort in game 1. T_T Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone. the winner of gom gets 30'000$ (40million won) not 4'000 i f i remember correctly. They also get 4000 for making it to the semis.
thx again didnt know that either
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On July 12 2009 19:48 Jonvvv wrote:
Someone has finally beaten JD in a ZvZ-series!
Imo July has beaten him in WCG Korea 2006 .
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Great play by effort. Despite not seeing Jaedongs hidden lings in game 1 still coming back from that really shows great understanding of zvz mechanics and great micro.
And to all the fanboys in denial, yes even Jaedong can loose a bo3 in zvz against the second best zerg in the world without dropping games on purpose.
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I MEEEAN 4/4 today.
That's a rare occasion.
I knew they would pull it off.
Go Effort :D
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did JD make an angry face with that "gimme back my candy" look after the games?
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You could see in jaedong's eyes that he was very tired. He looked relieved to me when the games were over.
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On July 12 2009 20:09 Atrioc wrote:
Honestly this is a bit overhyped. JD has lost a ZvZ series before btw (to July in WCG) and looking at the games the only thing that was a bit worrying was his decision to send the 4 lings in for a backstab after his successful early aggression. That wasn't smart and EffOrt played it out 100% perfectly by sending only 2 lings back and rushing the rest to JD's base. If this game showed one thing its that EffOrt isnt just another zerg. He is practicing just as hard as JD and that "wiggle room" that JD has in ZvZ because of his micro does not exist when he plays Effort. Its an even match.
Everyone can call game 2 greedy but honestly its just ZvZ. If Effort had gone 12 pool or even just 9 pool JD mightve had a decent shot but 9 pool speed completely slammed the door shut and thats just luck of the draw.
I'm hope they will meet up again in MSL and we can have some more opportunities to see how this plays out.
I agree totally with you when you say that these wins are overhyped. I'm really disappointed in reading comments that effort outclassed jaedong or whatever. JD lost two games but it wasn't because effort was playing on another level or whatever, I'm sure that these guys could trade victories all day long because that's just how good they both are and how fickle a matchup ZvZ is.
BTW, it's even more disappointing to see people complain about how JD lost so easily to 6 lings when he did a 12 hatch build against a 9 pool, do you guys even play ZvZ past the D level at all? I mean, he microed the drones as well as he possibly could have, but a guy of Effort's calibre is never going to lose in that situation where he completely bo rapes his opponent. He smartly ran back and positioned lings below JD's ramp so that he could nullify any possible newly hatched lings from the expo, while maintaining a superior position incase of an attack.
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iNfeRnaL
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n1 eff0rt. after he dropped out of OSL cause of flashs cheese i was really disappointed, but beating jd 2-0 is a nice compensation. hope jd can at least win one SL now with his slightly reduced practice schedule
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On July 12 2009 20:35 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Wait, WHAT?!?!?
^That, until I saw Berserker is Iris and EffOrt is EffOrt.
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