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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 12 2009 10:51 GMT
#421
On July 12 2009 19:50 kNyTTyM wrote:
hmm I wonder why Jaedong went 9pool and 12hatch.
Wouldn't it be safer to just go 12pool and bank on your superior midgame ZvZ if you lack practice time?


underestimated Effort? =/
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
July 12 2009 10:51 GMT
#422
Is it top 4 or only the finalists who goes to blizzcon?
Woo Jung Ho
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 12 2009 10:51 GMT
#423
On July 12 2009 19:51 iLoveKT wrote:
Is it top 4 or only the finalists who goes to blizzcon?


top3
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 12 2009 10:52 GMT
#424
On July 12 2009 19:48 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:46 Plexa wrote:
Jaedong won't win the OSL what are you guys smoking? He's experiencing the winners curse guys; it's happened to every big name ever and just like oov, after winning the second title life gets really fucking hard.


yeah that's the same thing people said right after the OSL when he started losing like 3 games.
But then he started destroying everyone again.

If he gets kicked out of the msl while defeating Kal this OSL is his.
Well he he was knocked out of the OSL just like oov, and oov also didn't really slump at all and won his 2nd OSL in the same time it took jaedong to win another OSL.

I expect Jaedong to slump like a mofo now
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DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
July 12 2009 10:52 GMT
#425
On July 12 2009 19:51 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:51 iLoveKT wrote:
Is it top 4 or only the finalists who goes to blizzcon?


top3


third being the person who lost to the winner?
WrongEdge
Profile Joined May 2009
Singapore57 Posts
July 12 2009 10:53 GMT
#426
Effort show some impressive ZvZ there. Guess he knew he wasnt going to beat jaedong when it came down to Muta vs Muta so he ling rushed Jaedong twice.

Best zergling micro hands down

Effort fighting.
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
July 12 2009 10:53 GMT
#427
no come on dude...you could expect a 12hatch in a 4 player map, but on outsider its straight up risky...dude...i just dont understand. JD is not the type of ZvZ player that goes for the BO advantage, (for example game #1) if he had won the first game and wanted to go for a risky build in the 2nd game, sure what the hell. but being down 0-1 and 12 hatching...and what was up with game 1? he came up with an absolutely brilliant strategy which worked 100% as he planned it, except for its aftermath. when JD goes for one of these awesome tactics he takes his precautions, like gets a sunken or whatever, but he plans ahead. this time, it seemed like he just expected effort not to counter after he got more lings. but why? its something so predictable, usually in ZvZ the person who is aggressive at first may do some damage but eventually he will be turned back on the defensive (assuming the game hasnt already ended). this is exactly my problem, why did jaedong not plan ahead? his nat was up and he could have made a sunken, heck 2 if he wanted to cuz he killed a lot of drones. or if anything he should have reinforced...

why JD why T^T
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DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
July 12 2009 10:54 GMT
#428
On July 12 2009 19:53 WrongEdge wrote:
Effort show some impressive ZvZ there. Guess he knew he wasnt going to beat jaedong when it came down to Muta vs Muta so he ling rushed Jaedong twice.

Best zergling micro hands down

Effort fighting.


Technically the first game was a counter to jaedongs ling rush and the second game was normal 9pool timing.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
July 12 2009 10:54 GMT
#429
On July 12 2009 19:50 DM20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though


Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there.


Since most of his accommodations are paid for by sponsors and hes probably got one of the biggest contracts going, hes probably not to worried about the money.

It's $4000
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
July 12 2009 10:55 GMT
#430
Iris vs July finals gogo

(While you're at it Iris, break Effort's face in the process.)
BW fighting!
WrongEdge
Profile Joined May 2009
Singapore57 Posts
July 12 2009 10:55 GMT
#431
On July 12 2009 19:52 DM20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:51 SuperArc wrote:
On July 12 2009 19:51 iLoveKT wrote:
Is it top 4 or only the finalists who goes to blizzcon?


top3


third being the person who lost to the winner?


Losers of both matches face off i guess.

Imagine Effort vs Savior at Blizzcon.

Neo-Savior vs Savior
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
July 12 2009 10:56 GMT
#432
On July 12 2009 19:55 538 wrote:
Iris vs July finals gogo

(While you're at it Iris, break Effort's face in the process.)


Too late for that. Low blow! lol. T__T But as much as I love effort, JD is king.
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 12 2009 10:56 GMT
#433
JD its bad I think that he should go on the army and start playing on ACE... he is done for sure.






yeah right.. just 2 games man... people tend to forget fast... remember yesterday?? playing against someone with a nick Kal?? he just pwned him like a D+ Toss.
Effort just played better tonight and thats it... its not Jaedong dropping the games or a Slump -.-
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Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 12 2009 10:56 GMT
#434
On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though


Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there.

He could have cared more on winning the OSL but, it's still far away.OSL>Gom prestige-wise. Though, he should have won this game. He should have microed his hardest during game 1. He already had the strategical advantage against effort in game 1. T_T
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
July 12 2009 10:58 GMT
#435
12 hat on Outsider is greedy. Sometimes I dont understand. The 7pool build he did on HBR was beautiful, but he made some very unjaedongish ZvZ decisions that game...

That series felt so weird, was really not the JD I'm used to watch. Almost as he didnt care.

--

Plexa; if anyone would prove you wrong on this it's JD. JDs biggest opponent has always been himself, I hope this dropout of GOM will allow some breathing...

Go JD! And grats to Effort - here's for hoping that we'll see Flash vs Effort in the finals.
Mada Mada Dane
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
July 12 2009 10:59 GMT
#436
On July 12 2009 19:53 UGC4 wrote:
no come on dude...you could expect a 12hatch in a 4 player map, but on outsider its straight up risky...dude...i just dont understand. JD is not the type of ZvZ player that goes for the BO advantage, (for example game #1) if he had won the first game and wanted to go for a risky build in the 2nd game, sure what the hell. but being down 0-1 and 12 hatching...and what was up with game 1? he came up with an absolutely brilliant strategy which worked 100% as he planned it, except for its aftermath. when JD goes for one of these awesome tactics he takes his precautions, like gets a sunken or whatever, but he plans ahead. this time, it seemed like he just expected effort not to counter after he got more lings. but why? its something so predictable, usually in ZvZ the person who is aggressive at first may do some damage but eventually he will be turned back on the defensive (assuming the game hasnt already ended). this is exactly my problem, why did jaedong not plan ahead? his nat was up and he could have made a sunken, heck 2 if he wanted to cuz he killed a lot of drones. or if anything he should have reinforced...

why JD why T^T


Actually, Game 1 JD's play was seriously risky in the moment where effort moved his lings out. JD had to choices, send his lings back and defend, or send his lings to effort's main and backstab and pray that effort sends all his lings back to defend, Effort made the right decision and went for the kill, so JD got mauled by inferior ling numbers at his main. It was risky play, I dont know why JD did that either when he killed quite a few drones to make up for bos in the begining. And game 2 was ugh bo win T.T.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Mannerheim
Profile Joined April 2007
766 Posts
July 12 2009 10:59 GMT
#437
On July 12 2009 19:56 Batibot323 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2009 19:48 Mannerheim wrote:
On July 12 2009 19:41 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
i don't think jaedong cares too much about GOM
bad play though


Yeah I'm sure he didn't care at all about the $4000 he could've won right there.

He could have cared more on winning the OSL but, it's still far away.OSL>Gom prestige-wise. Though, he should have won this game. He should have microed his hardest during game 1. He already had the strategical advantage against effort in game 1. T_T


Of course OSL has more prestige, but this was $4000 for one bo3. Not exactly pocket change for anyone.
WrongEdge
Profile Joined May 2009
Singapore57 Posts
July 12 2009 10:59 GMT
#438
On July 12 2009 19:56 FranzF1 wrote:
JD its bad I think that he should go on the army and start playing on ACE... he is done for sure.






yeah right.. just 2 games man... people tend to forget fast... remember yesterday?? playing against someone with a nick Kal?? he just pwned him like a D+ Toss.
Effort just played better tonight and thats it... its not Jaedong dropping the games or a Slump -.-


Yeah, jaedong is definitely not slumping. ZvZ normally looks like beatdowns due to how fast the games go. But jaedong is still the best choice to take the OSL and MSL.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
July 12 2009 11:02 GMT
#439
Btw this is JD's worst ZvZ loss streak ever with 3 losses, before this it was only 2 losses.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
July 12 2009 11:05 GMT
#440
yes samachking thats exactly what im asking. okay, suppose JD practices this with somebody, which he clearly did by the simple fact that he came up with a great strategy. he doesnt just practice the scenario where he tricks the opponent and that person goes "omg wtf more lings than i expect oh im done gg", he had to also practice the scenario where, after he didnt reinforce, his opponent countered. but did he? he did have 4 lings to either go back or go all in like u said, but why only 4 lings is the question? it would have been so so stupid for effort to go back (which he kinda did but then he didnt) it was obvious...i just dont think JD followed up his strategy properly at all...
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