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On February 12 2009 20:57 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up wow.... you don't have to get so defensive and arrogant. also, you're quite the hypocrite. you're calling a player who has achieved FAR MORE than you EVER WILL "terrible". pretty stupid.
lol
read his post
i was making the point that that kind of argument is unfounded.
hell i even said it in the post
"pretty dumb argument isnt it?"
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On February 12 2009 20:58 bias- wrote:
someone forgot to mention idra's account was stolen on TL ? =_=
do you take frustration out on TL forums from the tension in korea? i know of the culture clash can be uh, difficult because i'm more experienced in korean culture than you might believe ^^
either way, manners are fun
Idra is really entertaining, there is no problem with him the way he is.
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On February 12 2009 20:58 bias- wrote:
someone forgot to mention idra's account was stolen on TL ? =_=
do you take frustration out on TL forums from the tension in korea? i know of the culture clash can be uh, difficult because i'm more experienced in korean culture than you might believe ^^
either way, manners are fun
what frusteration
people make bad posts
you dont have to be frothing at the mouth to correct them
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On February 12 2009 20:59 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:57 rushz0rz wrote:On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up wow.... you don't have to get so defensive and arrogant. also, you're quite the hypocrite. you're calling a player who has achieved FAR MORE than you EVER WILL "terrible". pretty stupid. lol read his post i was making the point that that kind of argument is unfounded. hell i even said it in the post "pretty dumb argument isnt it?"
aaaah, now i look like the jackass. got caught up in the moment of defending a favourite. anyways, i admit im wrong.
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On February 12 2009 20:57 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:55 rushz0rz wrote:On February 12 2009 20:52 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 rushz0rz wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. damn. *nods head* I'd go search for the micro against mines but I don't feel like it. you realize thats a perfect example of what im talking about right? he charges into mines, doesnt know how many there are 2 pop at once on his 4 goons. you *cannot* physically target 2 mines that pop simultaneously before they explode. he moved back and hit hold pos and got lucky with his goons targetting properly on their own. by all means he should have lost those goons and the game. instead he gets a pimpest plays out of it just cuz he was too dumb to know you dont move into an unknown number of mines with low goon count. do you know how hard it is to do that? even pro gamers try it a lot on tv and end up dragging the mine completely. it is true that some of it is luck, but he has incredibly fast reflexes. he's certainly not "terrible". just the normal goon vs mine micro is pretty standard. read what i said. pros do that in situations either vs fd type builds when they know its gonna be very few mines, spread out to cover the whole choke. when only 1 mine pops at a time its safe, or theyll do it when they have alot of goons and the odds of them all shooting 1 mine if multiple pop up are very low. my point about free was that he attacked into multiple mines with 4 goons, meaning they had to target perfectly on their own for him to not die. that is a bad decision. making bad decisions and getting lucky does not mean you're good.
appreciate the clarification, and i agree about that being true. as for free's overall play though, gotta hand it to him despite me personally not being a very big fan
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On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up
I dont need to beat the players to see that flaming someone who is a great player is a lame thing to do, specialy if i do the same job as he does, that is playing games...
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On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up
edit: didn't read "pretty dumb argument isn't it?" shine on you crazy diamond
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On February 12 2009 20:59 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:57 rushz0rz wrote:On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up wow.... you don't have to get so defensive and arrogant. also, you're quite the hypocrite. you're calling a player who has achieved FAR MORE than you EVER WILL "terrible". pretty stupid. lol read his post i was making the point that that kind of argument is unfounded. hell i even said it in the post "pretty dumb argument isnt it?"
Your argument is stupid and fallacious. Using real stats vs really good players is different from you saying "I play in a prohouse so I'm right."
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not really, same base point. no one would question that free is better than me, no one would question that im better than him. if i cant make a point about free because hes better than me, he cant make a point about me cuz im better than him.
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On February 12 2009 21:00 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:58 bias- wrote:
someone forgot to mention idra's account was stolen on TL ? =_=
do you take frustration out on TL forums from the tension in korea? i know of the culture clash can be uh, difficult because i'm more experienced in korean culture than you might believe ^^
either way, manners are fun what frusteration people make bad posts you dont have to be frothing at the mouth to correct them
right but the repeated habit of doing it in an arguably disrespectful way says something. while it might not mean you have rabies, something's obviously up; no offense intended.
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On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up
i've become an accomplished player, i have a great record in starcraft, i've made it into the proscene in korea and done great for my team.
but someone said i suck i micro therefore i do.
i mean really idra... the argument goes both ways.
i for one don't mind it when mindless ppl post "bisu sucks! or god jaedong got Fin lucky!" but from a guy who is in the same field (or job or sport or whateve ryou wanna call it)... just don't seem right in my eyes
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On February 12 2009 21:02 IdrA wrote:
the only point i was making is that one player being better than another does not mean the inferior player has no right to question them. he obviously disagrees with what im saying, should he be disregarded solely because hes not as good as me? no, he should be disregarded because hes wrong. and i have actually made a case for why hes wrong, whereas he hasnt.
It's funny how you will say totally correct things in a slightly abrasive way, and then people will proceed to spam tons of stupid things trying to prove you're wrong, without even noticing that they're arguing with nobody.
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On February 12 2009 21:03 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:55 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:53 Samurai- wrote:On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant nono sorry i didnt word that well i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible. Thats a complete bullshit.. Free is a great player, and maybe when you get on a television match and get stats like this -> http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/175_free[gm]/games (which you wont) , then maybe you could say something like that.. until then, go away. you cant beat the players i can, you havent accomplished whatever little i have therefore you dont know better than me and have no right to challenge my opinion pretty dumb argument isnt it? shut up i've become an accomplished player, i have a great record in starcraft, i've made it into the proscene in korea and done great for my team. but someone said i suck i micro therefore i do. i mean really idra... the argument goes both ways
if someone says i suck in micro, explains why, and their explanation is valid then yes indeed. i didnt say free is bad because i say hes bad. i said hes bad because he made this bad decision, then explained why it was a bad decision, and the only person whos actually addressing that argument agreed with me.
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On February 12 2009 21:02 bias- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 21:00 IdrA wrote:On February 12 2009 20:58 bias- wrote:
someone forgot to mention idra's account was stolen on TL ? =_=
do you take frustration out on TL forums from the tension in korea? i know of the culture clash can be uh, difficult because i'm more experienced in korean culture than you might believe ^^
either way, manners are fun what frusteration people make bad posts you dont have to be frothing at the mouth to correct them right but the repeated habit of doing it in an arguably disrespectful way says something. while it might not mean you have rabies, something's obviously up; no offense intended.
some people dont have a high tolerance for stupidity, if that means 'somethings up' im quite ok with that.
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You guys are seriously being retarded. Why is that basically anyone on this forum can criticize a progamer's play (we frequently call various progamers "terrible" or "awful") even though we understand very little about the game relative to them, and are probably frequently missing very important subtleties.
Yet, when Idra, who is waaaaaaaay more qualified to criticize a progamer's play does so, it's not ok because he's also a gamer? Seriously?
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On February 12 2009 21:02 IdrA wrote:
not really, same base point. no one would question that free is better than me, no one would question that im better than him. if i cant make a point about free because hes better than me, he cant make a point about me cuz im better than him.
lol i would question that you are better than him.
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On February 12 2009 21:04 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 21:02 IdrA wrote:
the only point i was making is that one player being better than another does not mean the inferior player has no right to question them. he obviously disagrees with what im saying, should he be disregarded solely because hes not as good as me? no, he should be disregarded because hes wrong. and i have actually made a case for why hes wrong, whereas he hasnt. It's funny how you will say totally correct things in a slightly abrasive way, and then people will proceed to spam tons of stupid things trying to prove you're wrong, without even noticing that they're arguing with nobody.
He does seem to mysteriously trigger that effect on people
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On February 12 2009 21:06 jpunshon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 21:02 IdrA wrote:
not really, same base point. no one would question that free is better than me, no one would question that im better than him. if i cant make a point about free because hes better than me, he cant make a point about me cuz im better than him. lol i would question that you are better than him.
by him i meant the random forum newbie, not free
i assume you know that but just making it clear
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On February 12 2009 21:06 darktreb wrote:
You guys are seriously being retarded. Why is that basically anyone on this forum can criticize a progamer's play (we frequently call various progamers "terrible" or "awful") even though we understand very little about the game relative to them, and are probably frequently missing very important subtleties.
Yet, when Idra, who is waaaaaaaay more qualified to criticize a progamer's play does so, it's not ok because he's also a gamer? Seriously?
cuz everyone else doesn't know anything. when we see another gamer make a criticism we wanna know why and will flame at it. when FBH said savior sucks... he was flamed to hell. same thing. If a troll says it... he's ignored (or burned by the fanboys)
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