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snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
February 12 2009 12:25 GMT
#1061
On February 12 2009 21:22 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 21:16 snapcrackle wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:13 darktreb wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:09 snapcrackle wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:06 darktreb wrote:
You guys are seriously being retarded. Why is that basically anyone on this forum can criticize a progamer's play (we frequently call various progamers "terrible" or "awful") even though we understand very little about the game relative to them, and are probably frequently missing very important subtleties.

Yet, when Idra, who is waaaaaaaay more qualified to criticize a progamer's play does so, it's not ok because he's also a gamer? Seriously?


cuz everyone else doesn't know anything. when we see another gamer make a criticism we wanna know why and will flame at it. when FBH said savior sucks... he was flamed to hell. same thing. If a troll says it... he's ignored (or burned by the fanboys)


Look, I'm not a huge fan of Idra in general but this is really unfair. Basically here's what happened:

Idra: Free blindly moves Dragoons into minefields without knowing ahead of time how many there are. Two mines pop, he does hold position and gets lucky - everyone thinks his micro is amazing but he just got lucky and it was a terrible play.

Ok, so now here's what happens usually in the forums:

somebodyintheforums: <insert player> sucks, <timing was off/terrible micro/bad decision making/etc.>

I mean, come on.

this part here is what got me... him calling a fellow proleaguer dumb
On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:
nono
sorry i didnt word that well
i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.

From anyone elses mouth it just goes away.. but seeing this was posted by Idra (a post which hardly unnoticed... was just shocking


Well, that's a stupid double standard. When commentators (many of whom are former players/coaches) criticize players (whether it be Starcraft or the NBA or whatever) nobody says "well you're even worse so you shouldn't talk".

Now, I know Idra is not a commentator and it's not his job to criticize players. Yes, it would be all "nice and proper" if every B teamer just kissed the feet of every top pro. People always think "if you're not better than the other player, then you shouldn't talk until you are". But it's a really dumb thing to expect when you think about it.

Here's what it comes down to. Blindly moving Dragoons into an unknown number of mines is a terrible play at any level. Now is Free a terrible player? Of course not, he's almost certainly a top 10 player in the world right now. Does Idra really think Free is a "terrible" player? Of course not ... if anyone else said that we'd have applied this thing known as common sense and been like "oh that was just hyperbole" but since Idra said it everybody has to obsess over the exact wording.



no commentator calls another player "dumb" or "terrible." The commentators may say his decision was wrong or bad. But never does a commentator state the player is "dumb" or "terrible"
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
February 12 2009 12:26 GMT
#1062
On February 12 2009 21:14 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 21:10 Samurai- wrote:
The only thing is i am TIRED of seeing people who try to achieve something in this game(like you), talking bullshit about players who are 100 times better then himself..

I wouldnt care if a noone would say free sux, but i care if someone like you, who would actually NEED to learn to respect other FELLOW PROGAMERS , trash talks here, on the forums how a player needs to learn to micro. Go to his house, tell him that.. I thought they would teach you some respect down there..


believe it or not, cj entus is not a finishing school
i can see how you could make that mistake though

Dont play smart, you are yet to finish any school probably..
One ring, to rule them all!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 12 2009 12:26 GMT
#1063
LOL !
Terran & Potato Salad.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 12 2009 12:27 GMT
#1064
SO MUCH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE


AND yay! Flash, Lux, ForGG and Savior!

MY FAVORITE PLAYERS
dats racist
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 12 2009 12:28 GMT
#1065
On February 12 2009 21:26 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 21:14 IdrA wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:10 Samurai- wrote:
The only thing is i am TIRED of seeing people who try to achieve something in this game(like you), talking bullshit about players who are 100 times better then himself..

I wouldnt care if a noone would say free sux, but i care if someone like you, who would actually NEED to learn to respect other FELLOW PROGAMERS , trash talks here, on the forums how a player needs to learn to micro. Go to his house, tell him that.. I thought they would teach you some respect down there..


believe it or not, cj entus is not a finishing school
i can see how you could make that mistake though

Dont play smart, you are yet to finish any school probably..

look up 'finishing school'
you'll get it then
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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
February 12 2009 12:28 GMT
#1066
On February 12 2009 21:25 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 21:22 darktreb wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:16 snapcrackle wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:13 darktreb wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:09 snapcrackle wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:06 darktreb wrote:
You guys are seriously being retarded. Why is that basically anyone on this forum can criticize a progamer's play (we frequently call various progamers "terrible" or "awful") even though we understand very little about the game relative to them, and are probably frequently missing very important subtleties.

Yet, when Idra, who is waaaaaaaay more qualified to criticize a progamer's play does so, it's not ok because he's also a gamer? Seriously?


cuz everyone else doesn't know anything. when we see another gamer make a criticism we wanna know why and will flame at it. when FBH said savior sucks... he was flamed to hell. same thing. If a troll says it... he's ignored (or burned by the fanboys)


Look, I'm not a huge fan of Idra in general but this is really unfair. Basically here's what happened:

Idra: Free blindly moves Dragoons into minefields without knowing ahead of time how many there are. Two mines pop, he does hold position and gets lucky - everyone thinks his micro is amazing but he just got lucky and it was a terrible play.

Ok, so now here's what happens usually in the forums:

somebodyintheforums: <insert player> sucks, <timing was off/terrible micro/bad decision making/etc.>

I mean, come on.

this part here is what got me... him calling a fellow proleaguer dumb
On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:
nono
sorry i didnt word that well
i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.

From anyone elses mouth it just goes away.. but seeing this was posted by Idra (a post which hardly unnoticed... was just shocking


Well, that's a stupid double standard. When commentators (many of whom are former players/coaches) criticize players (whether it be Starcraft or the NBA or whatever) nobody says "well you're even worse so you shouldn't talk".

Now, I know Idra is not a commentator and it's not his job to criticize players. Yes, it would be all "nice and proper" if every B teamer just kissed the feet of every top pro. People always think "if you're not better than the other player, then you shouldn't talk until you are". But it's a really dumb thing to expect when you think about it.

Here's what it comes down to. Blindly moving Dragoons into an unknown number of mines is a terrible play at any level. Now is Free a terrible player? Of course not, he's almost certainly a top 10 player in the world right now. Does Idra really think Free is a "terrible" player? Of course not ... if anyone else said that we'd have applied this thing known as common sense and been like "oh that was just hyperbole" but since Idra said it everybody has to obsess over the exact wording.



no commentator calls another player "dumb" or "terrible." The commentators may say his decision was wrong or bad. But never does a commentator state the player is "dumb" or "terrible"


Yes, but this is idra.. A player who won... exactly...
One ring, to rule them all!
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
February 12 2009 12:29 GMT
#1067
On February 12 2009 21:27 MrHoon wrote:
SO MUCH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE


AND yay! Flash, Lux, ForGG and Savior!

MY FAVORITE PLAYERS

yes i was rooting for all of them... i hate all the losers. hwasin and leta especially
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 12:35:29
February 12 2009 12:30 GMT
#1068
On February 12 2009 21:28 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 21:26 Samurai- wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:14 IdrA wrote:
On February 12 2009 21:10 Samurai- wrote:
The only thing is i am TIRED of seeing people who try to achieve something in this game(like you), talking bullshit about players who are 100 times better then himself..

I wouldnt care if a noone would say free sux, but i care if someone like you, who would actually NEED to learn to respect other FELLOW PROGAMERS , trash talks here, on the forums how a player needs to learn to micro. Go to his house, tell him that.. I thought they would teach you some respect down there..


believe it or not, cj entus is not a finishing school
i can see how you could make that mistake though

Dont play smart, you are yet to finish any school probably..

look up 'finishing school'
you'll get it then

My point was, if you have so much bad to say about a player, why dont u have the balls and go tell him that in his face.. Yes you dont socialize/educate(which u clearly lack), but that is your loss..

edit: but whatever, you talk trash all you want, we ll see you home someday, and we ll see how much you accomplished..
One ring, to rule them all!
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
February 12 2009 12:37 GMT
#1069
omg.. so much hate on the forums..

i'm going to bed.. i'll check out what the next installment of "idra vs rest of the world" tmr at work.

adios people..


p.s. wow.. flash showed that tvt pretender who's boss!! rawr!!
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
February 12 2009 13:06 GMT
#1070
OMG TEAMLIQUID I LOVE YOU
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE LIVE REPORTS
THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL DAY
FUCK IM NEARLY CRYING AT WORK
MY COWORKERS ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE IM INSANE
WELL MAYBE I AM BUT FUCK I DONT CARE

2009 2009 2009 2009 IPXZERG HOLY MOTHER OF ZERG FUCK
SAVIOR JE T'AIME
Spanxxx
Profile Joined February 2009
United States408 Posts
February 12 2009 13:08 GMT
#1071
very good morning to wake up to..yay
If people arent trying to pull you down, you arent climbing high enough.
eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
February 12 2009 13:12 GMT
#1072
way to turn a LR thread into a shitfest...


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Never give cheese to the Gorilla ^^
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
February 12 2009 13:21 GMT
#1073
OH MY GOD I WOKE UP EARLY TO CHECK THE RESULT!!
SAVIOR IS A BEAST!!!
its 2009 baby!
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
February 12 2009 13:27 GMT
#1074
I can't recall where Free moved into an unknown amount of mines with 4goons clumped ridiculously close together and failed. Im pretty sure he only did it that one time. In my opinion, I think it was Free's great sense in going in knowing he can micro and turn that game into a win. He got some luck in the positioning of his goons but Starcraft has a bit of luck involved as well.

Sure it was a retarded decision but he made it work and really that's brilliance. Like Bisu's mid-game bulldog against Flash on destination, imagine if that attack failed and how much flame Bisu would get >.>.
We see things they'll never see
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 12 2009 13:28 GMT
#1075
everyone lay off idra, holy shit.

And everyone I wanted to win did, so this is fucking sweet.

p.s Free never had great micro.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
February 12 2009 13:40 GMT
#1076
On February 12 2009 20:49 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 20:47 benjammin wrote:
On February 12 2009 20:46 IdrA wrote:
On February 12 2009 20:45 benjammin wrote:
wait what? forgg showing better micro than free? my world is collapsing

not knowing when to not attack and getting lucky occasionally is not good micro


he had pretty nice marine micro against those zealots was what i meant

nono
sorry i didnt word that well
i mean its a misconception that free ever has good micro. hes just dumb enough to always attack, and he gets lucky once in a while and it looks like brilliance, when it fact hes terrible.

Well at sc he is better than you in every way. It's scary to even imagine what you think about yourself then.

Although free is not great in mirror or vs T, he is a PvZ master and according to his results/stats he's #4 protoss and #7 player in the world right now. If such downright terrible at control player can go this far, then starcraft is a very easy game to succeed at.
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
February 12 2009 13:56 GMT
#1077
Wow, Hwasin vs. Luxury sounds absurd. Can't wait to watch that one.
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
February 12 2009 14:05 GMT
#1078
You guys are taking this WAY too seriously, IdrA is 1000x better than you. So what gives you any right to talk trash to him?

Human nature forces us to look at the flaws of others more than the flaws of ourselves. Not to mention at least IdrA has skill to back up his claims you guys are merely netizens trying to inflate your e-peen.

Free does have a tendency to attack at the worst of times IdrA is right about that. You guys are blowing this whole thing way out of proportion and making it seem as though IdrA had said "Wow free is so bad he might as well quit SC"

Just drop it. IdrA has much more SC authority than you because he got a flight to Korea and is currently playing on the CJ entus team. What have you ever done on Starcraft that is a major achievement?
Hi.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
February 12 2009 14:07 GMT
#1079
On February 12 2009 22:56 KreaGata wrote:
Wow, Hwasin vs. Luxury sounds absurd. Can't wait to watch that one.

That was a really good game
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 12 2009 14:13 GMT
#1080
On February 12 2009 22:56 KreaGata wrote:
Wow, Hwasin vs. Luxury sounds absurd. Can't wait to watch that one.

I just saw it too, its so fucking intense. Every second of the game is breathtaking

So back and forth~
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