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DoctorHelvetica
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![[image loading]](http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/proleaguefinal.png) Thanks to Keit for the banner 2008-2009 Shinhan Bank Winners League Week 2 ![[image loading]](http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6080/12270791811285x192gn9.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6214/12323686761285x192dy3.jpg) eSTRO VS WeMade FOX  HoOny < Andromeda >  hyvaa< Destination > < Medusa > < Tau Cross > < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > < Neo Harmony > < Colosseum II > Predictions + Show Spoiler + HoOny < hyvaa BaBy < hyvaa NaDa > hyvaa NaDa > UpMagiC NaDa < Really Mind > Really Mind > Tester Results | ||
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wemade protoss games are so poor ![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/news/1233706964_1.jpg) | ||
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EleanorRIgby
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it seems like no matter how estro tries they just cannot be good rofl. | ||
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Dazed.
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baby < hyvaa nada < hyvaa [nada sucks atm] Mind> Hyvaa Mind< really/upmagic ez On February 04 2009 10:00 EleanorRIgby wrote: lets go RoRo and mind!!! it seems like no matter how estro tries they just cannot be good rofl. .... They are good. They are also the favorites in this match. | ||
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KP_CollectoR
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On February 04 2009 10:05 Dazed_Spy wrote: nada < hyvaa [nada sucks atm] He's 5 out of his last 6 -_-; | ||
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Shikyo
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On February 04 2009 10:00 EleanorRIgby wrote: lets go RoRo and mind!!! it seems like no matter how estro tries they just cannot be good rofl. They're pretty good with an ace for 2 races (SangHo and UpMagic. And don't tell me Sangho isn't good, that's getting old). If Hyvaa starts performing, which he seems like he's beginning to, and also if Magma can get over his nerves etc. They'll become a very strong team. As you can see in the stats, eSTRO has better T and Z line ups than SKT T1, and their P lineup is about 50-50. They're not really a weak team, even if they have no real aces yet. | ||
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bitchaRd[raGe]
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DoctorHelvetica
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Avidkeystamper
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On February 04 2009 10:30 Shikyo wrote: They're pretty good with an ace for 2 races (SangHo and UpMagic. And don't tell me Sangho isn't good, that's getting old). If Hyvaa starts performing, which he seems like he's beginning to, and also if Magma can get over his nerves etc. They'll become a very strong team. As you can see in the stats, eSTRO has better T and Z line ups than SKT T1, and their P lineup is about 50-50. They're not really a weak team, even if they have no real aces yet. eSTRO is a average team, most of their support roster can take down the non-aces of the other teams, it's just the aces of the other teams that get them. Their players have a lot of potential, just none of it is truly realized right now, though UpMagiC is only going up and up lately. SangHo can still get even better IMO. | ||
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Wasabi
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DanceCommander
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.risingdragoon
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wemade has all strawmen except mind | ||
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KnightOfNi
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On February 04 2009 12:48 Jaksiel wrote: The surprising stat for me is that WeMade's Zergs have a positive record. None of them are considered among the top Zergs. Roro cleaned up at the beginning of the PL (Round 1), and keke is actually playing pretty well (stache or not). eSTRO should take this... they really are a better team than WeMade, assuming the coaches don't do something STUPID like send in Action again... | ||
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NeVeR
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On February 04 2009 05:42 KizZBG wrote: Hyvaa all kill! The guy is good! Do not underestimate him!! | ||
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KnightOfNi
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EDIT: Wow nobody is LRing this thread? SCREW KHAN-SKT WATCH THIS MATCH  .Hyvaa is now only 3 wins away from an all-kill . | ||
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.risingdragoon
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Shikyo
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On February 04 2009 13:23 KnightOfNi wrote: HYVAA WINS!!! EDIT: Wow nobody is LRing this thread? SCREW KHAN-SKT WATCH THIS MATCH .Hyvaa is now only 3 wins away from an all-kill .Could you please LR? =D | ||
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DownMaxX
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I stand corrected. | ||
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KnightOfNi
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Hyvaa vs Shine[kal] | ||
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.risingdragoon
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I don't see why he wouldn't come out to kill nada or mind | ||
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Tensai176
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In fact, it looks Hyvaa is ahead. | ||
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Tensai176
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GG, eSTRO is up 2 | ||
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.risingdragoon
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On February 04 2009 13:38 Pioneer wrote: But Mind can be one of the best TvTers at times and NaDa is killing TvT lately. Why would they send their best player against 2 guys that are excellent at the mu? Send UpMagic or Really vs the P/Z players on WeMade or save as a last resort and send SangHo out to try and snipe Mind/NaDa. Why would that matter? Up's TvT can beat mind's, and it makes no sense to send really cus his best is tvp. These days I'd send sangho for pvp first. On February 04 2009 13:48 Pioneer wrote: wow, i don't really get what happened, seemed like shine just got so outclassed but I can't figure out why. their builds didn't really differ besides shine making like 4 more zerglings. Their builds are completely different. hyvaa used a double hatch lair and sinekal's was a 1-base lair. The fast spire did no damage so that right there put him behind in larvae. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
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On February 04 2009 13:48 Pioneer wrote: wow, i don't really get what happened, seemed like shine just got so outclassed but I can't figure out why. their builds didn't really differ besides shine making like 4 more zerglings. hyvaa later pool/quicker gas and faster 2nd hatch. | ||
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On February 04 2009 13:54 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: who's up for FOX? Think it's rorO ? yeah it is | ||
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Pioneer
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Their builds are completely different. hyvaa used a double hatch lair and sinekal's was a 1-base lair. The fast spire did no damage so that right there put him behind in larvae. Thanks, I missed the first couple minutes and don't know ZvZ very well so I thought they were similar in BO. | ||
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Dazed.
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DoctorHelvetica
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DownMaxX
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Hyvaa > Hoony Hyvaa > Shine[kaL] Hyvaa < Roro | ||
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Tensai176
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Tensai176
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so Hyvaa > Roro | ||
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KnightOfNi
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(actually I think eSTRO will send out Sangho for Tau, since I don't think mech is real great on this map...) | ||
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.risingdragoon
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hyvaa's 1hatch muta is killed by 2hatch muta, he ggs | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 14:09 Tensai176 wrote: Hyvaa just lost guys so Hyvaa > Roro i presume you mean the other way around? | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 14:08 Tensai176 wrote: Roro has beaten Hyvaa. I find it very lame that we've had a series of ZvZs... =( at least it means that the games are fast >.> | ||
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KnightOfNi
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Sangho raping time!! | ||
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.risingdragoon
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anyways hurry finish this and move onto better player than roro. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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sangho gets his gas, then starts his core. roro carelessly lets sangho get his probe through to see the lair tech started, as well as the third expo finished. | ||
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On February 04 2009 14:34 nK)Duke wrote: RORO BARELY HOLDS THE SANGROLL I see what you did there. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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hive tech for roro, arbiters are coming out for sangho. sangho needs another base badly, as he's down to 2 base, nat and third. | ||
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TheTyranid
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This match has everything: insane non-stop battles, maelstrom, recall, incredible intensity. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 14:45 TheTyranid wrote: Best PvZ since Bisu vs Jaedong. This match has everything: insane non-stop battles, maelstrom, recall, incredible intensity. except the unstoppable, amazing mechanics. >.> but that's okay, this game is still pretty good. That's a lot of scourge, and roro missed his chance of taking out the arbiter. | ||
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STASIS ON ULTRA/LING | ||
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On February 04 2009 14:46 GHOSTCLAW wrote: except the unstoppable, amazing mechanics. >.> but that's okay, this game is still pretty good. That's a lot of scourge, and roro missed his chance of taking out the arbiter. I think both players had amazing mechanics. The macro from both sides was sick, especially around the time they were constantly battling near Roro's 3'rd. Btw, there goes a stasis on Roro's ultras. | ||
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On February 04 2009 14:49 TheTyranid wrote: I think both players had amazing mechanics. The macro from both sides was sick, especially around the time they were constantly battling near Roro's 3'rd. Btw, there goes a stasis on Roro's ultras. but the micro, especially when the scourge miss the arbiters makes me sad. | ||
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RaiSad
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Roro had an unstoppable army | ||
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mog87
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I dont think really can take roro, his great macro alone wont be enough. I just upmagic mech to the rescue? | ||
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.risingdragoon
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X_X PICK ONE GODDAMNIT | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 14:51 KP_CollectoR wrote: Wow that was a good game. Liking PvZ on Tau Cross it's not as boring as pvz on Andromeda. The narrow chokes to the mains and having only 3 mains makes this map pretty interesting. | ||
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RivetHead
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On February 04 2009 14:51 KP_CollectoR wrote: Wow that was a good game. Liking PvZ on Tau Cross Tau Cross owns. I remember when Jaedong owned that map in the proleague. It makes for entertaining zerg games usually, which can be rare for a map thats so well balanced. | ||
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TheTyranid
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On February 04 2009 14:50 GHOSTCLAW wrote: but the micro, especially when the scourge miss the arbiters makes me sad. Yeah, I bet Roro's hands were really tired at that point. | ||
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On February 04 2009 14:52 TheTyranid wrote: Yeah, I bet Roro's hands were really tired at that point. I'm thinking that he was at the limit of his multitasking. It was a good game from both, that's for sure. | ||
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NeVeR
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On February 04 2009 14:51 KnightOfNi wrote: And now we will have Upmagic rape. Let's hope they send him out. | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:00 StalinRusH wrote: cant nada still play once upmagic wins? yea, as a closer, I didn't exactly make myself clear -_-;; | ||
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forced up to build golaiths, is going to use them to harass, not much more than that. carelessly loses 2 attackmoving them into about 8 gol's. Not so good. roro now has his third at the bottom right of the map, is still hatching muta. He's going to need to transition into hydra soon, as the current gol cout of upmagic is just going to run his muta over. | ||
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TheTyranid
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Now Roro needs to hold this monster push. Damn Up has a lot of metal. | ||
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RORO COUNTERS TEH MAIN WHILE UPS FORCES ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE MAP. AND RORO ATTACKS THE BALL. RORO WIPES OUT THE BALL, GG MECH. | ||
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food
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sweat on his face in his eyes everywhere sweat pouring down | ||
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Avidkeystamper
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(If you want, ofc). | ||
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TheTyranid
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Roro engages once again and wipes it out, targeting the tanks with mutas and mopping up with the hydras. Up tries to sneak a vult into the nat of Roro to do some sort of damage but is repelled by 3 hydras. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 15:23 Avidkeystamper wrote: These live reports need more epic RealPenguin-ness, cApS LOCK IT UP! (If you want, ofc). these games arn't that important, and there's only a few people live reporting. I'm saving it for the ro16 later tonight (is that being cast on daum sports?) or for the gom finals. upmagic gg's | ||
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TheTyranid
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I hope this game signifies the end to mech builds as a standard TvZ bo. About time for that fad to go | ||
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StalinRusH
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whenever i say someone > someone they always lose ALWAYS | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:25 StalinRusH wrote: im sorry ill take the blame whenever i say someone > someone they always lose ALWAYSor maybe you just make bad predictions | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 15:24 NeVeR wrote: Not a very good map for mech. it wasn't so bad. Up just lost all of his gols the first time he tried to push out, and then he never really reached crit mass compared to roro's army. It's really not so bad, as there's a short pathing distance between bases, and you can push and get new bases if you so choose. Also, many of the pathways are very very narrow, which makes siege tanks even more effective. I don't think that up ever really had a good idea of roro's muta count either, as he never transitioned into valks. it was a good game by roro, and a pretty good demonstration of how to micro/pushbreak against the big scary mech ball. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On February 04 2009 15:26 KP_CollectoR wrote: I don't know if it's the new coach or what, but WeMade's Zerg roster has really stepped its game up as of late They've been getting better. Nal_keke and roro used to be 2v2 players, and it's only been recently that they've been able to start expressing how good their 1v1 is. Both have also been called on a lot as nada and inter.mind have had individual league games to practice for. wemade fox goes and Nal_keke and roro go now. | ||
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estro's fine mofo, if sangho hadn't fucked around with maelstrom/arbiter/stasis | ||
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NeVeR
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On February 04 2009 15:33 EleanorRIgby wrote: lol estro has so little good players estro pwns j00. My man Really will clean up this mess. | ||
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mog87
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On February 04 2009 15:37 NeVeR wrote: estro pwns j00. My man Really will clean up this mess. no hell probably lose. And he wont beat Mind/Nada. | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:39 mog87 wrote: no hell probably lose. And he wont beat Mind/Nada. mind/nada probably arn't both going to play, I think they both have individuals. >.> Not sure though. | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:45 GHOSTCLAW wrote: third rax now going, and the ebay isn't lifted, so I guess he's going for some sort of sparks style push. 1 control of m/m/f, spire just got laid down. You don't lift ebay in standard TvZ because you want to upgrade infantry weapons/armor | ||
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roro also expanded to the bottom left main. | ||
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roro is forced to gg | ||
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.risingdragoon
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Yea! And on the imba map harmony too! roro's streak lasted way too long | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:51 OmgIRok wrote: wait so roro beat upmagic? yes | ||
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On February 04 2009 15:53 GHOSTCLAW wrote: no all kill for roro, and it was just a bad decision to choose to hit the nat instead of flanking I think Usually it is. | ||
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well to be fair to roro, it was fairly close. he almost got it to work, and if he had sniped the nat cc faster and came back, or decided to push up the ramp, it could have come out differently. | ||
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37-28 for Mind | ||
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wraiths take exactly 1 gol hit, and it looks like spidermines are going to prevent mind from being able to get the contain at the speed that he wants. | ||
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mind is better in position, worse in econ, and sea.really is going to need to be able to break out ><;; | ||
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On February 04 2009 16:17 jwd241224 wrote: Thank god I have something else to watch to cool myself down after T1-KHAN...+ Show Spoiler + that shit was depressing THat shit was one of the best PL matches ever. | ||
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On February 04 2009 16:19 Bosu wrote: THat shit was one of the best PL matches ever. gonna hafta make sure i catch it later. the games i see are usually the games that are worse -_-;; | ||
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mind gets all the dropships as tehy head on the way back, so the trade for 4 dropshisp for the cc was probably worth it. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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mind needs to expand badly, before he gets outmarcroed by sea.really | ||
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as sea.really makes a tech switch to bc's. intermind is trying to push to deny sea.really's 5th expansion as wel, and now mind's sacraficiing scv's to try to get more supply | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
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sea.really gg's | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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no excuse | ||
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jello_biafra
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You can always count on MinD to finish a series for you ^^ | ||
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Shine[kaL] < hyvaa RorO > hyvaa RorO > SangHo RorO > UpMagiC RorO < Really Mind > Really wow RorO almost all kill? ROFL | ||
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