I think they'll probably send Horang2 or type-b over Leta on Tau Cross if it's vs Free because P has a pretty decent advantage over T while Z > P slightly and PvP is whatever .
This kind of format will really see if Leta can go toe-to-toe with the big boys, though not in this match, Stars don't have any S-class players, though Free is borderline.
I have to say, the Stars are probably the most unpredictable team in this format. Free, GGPlay, and ZerO can all go off on a tear, or they can all lose miserably! Should be fun.
On January 18 2009 05:06 Avidkeystamper wrote: This kind of format will really see if Leta can go toe-to-toe with the big boys, though not in this match, Stars don't have any S-class players, though Free is borderline.
Free is most definitely S-Class he is one of the dragons and is a very strong player. His control is borderline auto-jizz.
I dont even think yarnc will beat guemchi with his weird overagressive unit spam style ZvP, its like julyish without the thinking. I think woonjin takes this. The deciding factor, I belive will be how many can Leta take out, before losing or getting cheezed. As soon as Leta is done ogn is done. GGPLAY, Zero and free are heads and shoulders above the rest of OGN. I suppose I shouldnt discount horang2 so easily, though.
On January 18 2009 04:19 KizZBG wrote: And lol, why are people giving me credit for the banner? I didn't make it :D
Wait who made the banner?
I made the banner lol, it's even on the same link I hosted it on. Got the psd files and irc chatlog to prove it for what its worth, even though it's merely a modification of the proleague banner layout which pachi (if I remember correctly) originally created.
Leta's most likely gonna be used solely as a Terran sniper or last resort in this round; I honestly don't believe he will perform nearly as well as he did last round with the dearth of non-terran players wanting his head, which is why I left him off my Fantasy team.
On January 18 2009 12:26 Cesar2000 wrote: I definately think Yellow[Arnc] is capable of getting 2 wins with a little luck, and if free comes out to clean out the rest, well, I wont be complaining!
On January 18 2009 13:04 Teejing wrote: im sry to bother you guys, but what plug in do i need to watch the stream? ( i have got vista 64 sp1 )
If you're watching Corinthos's stream, you have to dl TVAnts and run it in IE, I don't think you need to dl anything if you're watching using other methods.
It is a pain to bother you guys, but when i start the stream it only buffers until questioning me something i cannot read which i can answer with yes/no/cancel...
Well, i would be happy someone could lifereport, thx in advance
On January 18 2009 13:11 Teejing wrote: It is a pain to bother you guys, but when i start the stream it only buffers until questioning me something i cannot read which i can answer with yes/no/cancel...
Well, i would be happy someone could lifereport, thx in advance
On January 18 2009 13:21 Realpenguin wrote: YARNC NOW HAS SWARM, DROPPING ON GUEMCHI'S NEW TOP-RIGHT EXPO, BUT GETS DENIED BY A LARGE ZEALOT/ARCHON COUNT
Top-right expo for Guemchi now secured, Nexus finished
Top left!
Are you watching this game in mirror-mode or something?!
On January 18 2009 13:21 Realpenguin wrote: YARNC NOW HAS SWARM, DROPPING ON GUEMCHI'S NEW TOP-RIGHT EXPO, BUT GETS DENIED BY A LARGE ZEALOT/ARCHON COUNT
Top-right expo for Guemchi now secured, Nexus finished
Top left!
Are you watching this game in mirror-mode or something?!
you try live reporting, and I'll start counting the # of typos you make
These zergs gotta stop playing protoss at even/defecit bases. Dealing with the late game protoss ball is impossible enough. (Especially when they tech switch to sairs/DTs late game)
On January 18 2009 13:39 Warrior Madness wrote: These zergs gotta stop playing protoss at even/defecit bases. Dealing with the late game protoss ball is impossible enough. (Especially when they tech switch to sairs/DTs late game)
Um..do you really think that was Yarnc's plan? lol. Did you notice how P denied yellow the bottom side of the map fairly easily. Yarnc couldnt take more bases because P had map control. His only hope was guerilla tactics which he executed very well despite Guemchi preparing for them and playing extremely well himself.
I'm pretty sure yarnc knows that being even bases with p is bad;)
On January 18 2009 13:42 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: And soooo it appears only one twin can be good at a time. Lux is getting hot, so Yarnc decides he will slump
you have no idea what youre talking about
he put himself in a terrible position early game with his passive play but he ALMOST broke Guemchi with his outstanding mid/lategame drop play
ok... so maybe slumping is misused here, but as you said, Yarnc had horrible earlygame play. He failed to deny Guemchi's 4th and couldn't get his 5th online. He ended up even in bases with Guemchi and fought a losing battle the rest of the way.
On January 18 2009 14:13 geno wrote: Horangs got this! I mean, he's the one who took out jangbi in the osl offline qualifiers, surely guemchi isn't much better than that!
Seriously? O_o Oh yeah, now I remember. So Jangbi, Flash... right >< at least he's on my fantasy team
On January 18 2009 14:53 Fontong wrote: Ok wow Guemchi losing a lot of probes now. Leta suddenly playing ridiculously, probably wont be enough though, he is still contained.
OK NVM.
Guemchi Choking!!! Dude he gonna lose some bribe money.
Anyone recall the thread where people voted on who would be the next big Zerg, Protoss, and Terran. Remember how Guemchi had almost 90% of the votes? LOL is all I can say. I still want Leta to all kill though. Don't really like the Stars.
I really cant articulate how awesome it is to see someone play so on the edge like this. I mean this is how I would picutre a fully in-form modern BoxeR to play
err why no cannons? he had a huge lead no point daezang'ing it away. Hell he probably could had pulled out scouts earlier on..please feel free to correct my uneducated observation.
On January 18 2009 15:06 mog87 wrote: err why no cannons? he had a huge lead no point daezang'ing it away. Hell he probably could had pulled out scouts earlier on..please feel free to correct my uneducated observation.
Actually scouts would have completely shut down the dropship game at least!
Pretty much Guemchi could have done more or less anything other than what he actually did and won.
On January 18 2009 15:09 mog87 wrote: Stars have free, zero, and ggplay...in otherwise their actual lineup..guemchi did waaaay more damage than anyone expected.
On January 18 2009 15:09 mog87 wrote: Stars have free, zero, and ggplay...in otherwise their actual lineup..guemchi did waaaay more damage than anyone expected.
GGplay didn't play well IMO. He could have nydused his 5o clock and he should have stopped suiciding so many lings. His plagues were also useless as there were no units to kill the plagued units.
I think GGplay's defense was a bit flawed... One sunken outranging the bunker right as the creep came out could have made it a lot better for him in my opinion.
On January 18 2009 15:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: The game was basically even after the bunker rush.
Both players played amazing. God damn Leta is the real deal folks.
I thought Leta was a bit ahead. GGPlay lost all but 2 drones while Leta saved quite a few scvs. Leta had to invest in some defence though because of the possible lings counter. But I am not specialist in TvZ so I might get it all wrong.
On January 18 2009 15:49 zincsterio wrote: I think the strategy for teams is always to save the best player for last. So if Leta wins against Zero, it'll be free coming up.
In this case I'm pretty sure it's all about the maps.
Normally giving your opponent a string of wins is a bad thing, but sending free out on Harmony wouldn't be the best idea I don't think.
On January 18 2009 15:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: The game was basically even after the bunker rush.
Both players played amazing. God damn Leta is the real deal folks.
I thought Leta was a bit ahead. GGPlay lost all but 2 drones while Leta saved quite a few scvs. Leta had to invest in some defence though because of the possible lings counter. But I am not specialist in TvZ so I might get it all wrong.
No GGPlay had 4 drones, but also both hatches so he can rebuild them quickly. Leta had 4-5 mining scvs plus the 5 he had at his bunker that had to run all the way back, but he had to pull 3 of them to block the lings, 1 died, and he had to leave 2 more pulled. Meanwhile GGplay was growing his drone count very quickly. You know it came out even early game because after GGPlay held his third he was AHEAD, but not by very much at all. Specially when he got his defs out and pushed letas first push back. At that point it was basically a standard TvZ. Thats how its supposed to go as zerg.
Leta simply outplayed him from then on dispite very nice defiler use. GGplays multitask was simply not up to par as he was unable to expand safely.
On January 18 2009 15:59 GHOSTCLAW wrote: is letta really planning on going mech? he dosen't know that those are cross positions, but that's a really really early gas for m/m
lair tech has already started, and zero's going to know that's a low marine count. I hope that he figures out that somet's up. leta has cut scv's on mut occasions.
first and second wrait is out, but i don't think it's going to be scouted by zero zer is going mass ling to take advantage of the wraith numbers, an leta only has 4 marines to try to block the 3 hat ling. hydra den is going up now, 2 scv's and rax to block
alright, spire is going up, hydra den is down, and leta is going to hold with a lifted rax. any guess as to how many drones he got (i think that it was like 8, and an ovie to boot)
oh man, leta is going to try to prove that he can be better than just a massive midgame monster. He's going to try to prove that he can win cheesy too.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Dunno Free's PvT has been good lately taking out Mind, though Mind's play wasnt exactly inspiring. Maybe hell get payback for zero with some gay dt cheese.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
On January 18 2009 16:11 prOxi.Beater wrote: Leta is just fucking ridiculously good. That was a complete dismantling of a zerg that made very minor mistakes. Ridiculous!
Um 3 hatch muta build loses clearly to 2 port wraiths because spire isn't even close been completed. One of the reasons 2 hatch muta was/is popular (countered a lot cheeses because fast mutas)
Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
On January 18 2009 16:14 QibingZero wrote: Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
Id say Flash's control was even scarier than Lomo's.
leta is like fuckin boxer with the mechanics and multi task to back the micro up. did you guys see that fucking wraith micro, i didnt even know wraithes could shoot that far... too bad i have free and leta on my team ....
On January 18 2009 16:10 DownMaxX wrote: Time for free to come shut this beast down.
Last time they met, Free lost quite terribly. We'll see what happens this game.
I remember it being a fairly intense low econ game in which a wraith made the difference against the shuttle/reaver combo.
You're giving Free waaaay too much credit. Intense? No. Certainly not. Leta raped him with tanks/vults at Free's ramp and a Wraith came out and took out his shuttle/reaver. Free got dominated.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
On January 18 2009 16:14 QibingZero wrote: Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
Id say Flash's control was even scarier than Lomo's.
Generally, not for wraiths though, it's a shame he doesn't use them anymore, and whenever he tries to, the opponent just all-ins. Gay.
On January 18 2009 16:10 DownMaxX wrote: Time for free to come shut this beast down.
Last time they met, Free lost quite terribly. We'll see what happens this game.
Neo Harmony and Colosseum are worlds apart for PvT, I wouldn't exactly be expecting that to happen again.
Although I guess at this point I'm hoping for Leta to win since I have OGN and Horang2 on my fantasy team...
Leta has momentum and Free has to come clean up a big mess... who do you think is going to be more confident? Free always sucks harsh in this position.
On January 18 2009 16:17 Crunchums wrote: just wanted to point out that when Leta trapped that scv between two depots that was intentional; he needed a unit to control group with his wraiths
in case anyone was doubting how much of a baller he is
On January 18 2009 16:14 QibingZero wrote: Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
Id say Flash's control was even scarier than Lomo's.
Generally, not for wraiths though, it's a shame he doesn't use them anymore, and whenever he tries to, the opponent just all-ins. Gay.
On January 18 2009 16:14 QibingZero wrote: Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
Id say Flash's control was even scarier than Lomo's.
Generally, not for wraiths though, it's a shame he doesn't use them anymore, and whenever he tries to, the opponent just all-ins. Gay.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
Isn't the whole point of the trick that if the SCVs are blocked by the barracks the zerglings won't attack them? So there would be no reason for the zerglings to be in attack range of the SCVs anyway, no?
Leta control tops them both by 100x though.
It depresses me how quickly people seem to forget about Flash just because Leta has a marginally better PL record..
On January 18 2009 16:10 DownMaxX wrote: Time for free to come shut this beast down.
Last time they met, Free lost quite terribly. We'll see what happens this game.
Neo Harmony and Colosseum are worlds apart for PvT, I wouldn't exactly be expecting that to happen again.
Although I guess at this point I'm hoping for Leta to win since I have OGN and Horang2 on my fantasy team...
Leta has momentum and Free has to come clean up a big mess... who do you think is going to be more confident? Free always sucks harsh in this position.
That is not true Free is in this position all the time hes use to it, he carries stars on his back like a true champ.
On January 18 2009 16:10 DownMaxX wrote: Time for free to come shut this beast down.
Last time they met, Free lost quite terribly. We'll see what happens this game.
I remember it being a fairly intense low econ game in which a wraith made the difference against the shuttle/reaver combo.
You're giving Free waaaay too much credit. Intense? No. Certainly not. Leta raped him with tanks/vults at Free's ramp and a Wraith came out and took out his shuttle/reaver. Free got dominated.
from what i saw it was bo loss from free, leta went 1 fact port (port+addon) for dropship, free went fast proxy reaver, leta pushed with 2 taks + marines> 3 goons(norange) + zea and leta got a wraith to stop the shuttle.
On January 18 2009 16:14 QibingZero wrote: Yawn. Why is it I find new age terran 'ingenuity' to be the most boring thing to watch? Wraiths only beat out mech because they don't involve turtling, but it's still such a lame showing to have to watch one player have literally no chance like that.
Also: Lomo's wraith control is far superior. Too bad that's all he can do, haha.
Id say Flash's control was even scarier than Lomo's.
Generally, not for wraiths though, it's a shame he doesn't use them anymore, and whenever he tries to, the opponent just all-ins. Gay.
Leta control tops them both by 100x though.
Leta cannot be described by words at the moment, as paradoxical as that may be.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
Isn't the whole point of the trick that if the SCVs are blocked by the barracks the zerglings won't attack them? So there would be no reason for the zerglings to be in attack range of the SCVs anyway, no?
they might be, just because they're randomly pathing on attack move. if that happens, the scv's might attack the zerglings, and that would be bad.
On January 18 2009 16:10 DownMaxX wrote: Time for free to come shut this beast down.
Last time they met, Free lost quite terribly. We'll see what happens this game.
I remember it being a fairly intense low econ game in which a wraith made the difference against the shuttle/reaver combo.
You're giving Free waaaay too much credit. Intense? No. Certainly not. Leta raped him with tanks/vults at Free's ramp and a Wraith came out and took out his shuttle/reaver. Free got dominated.
The game was over as soon as Free lost carelessly a zealot and dragoon by leaving them behing Leta's push. It was over already at that time (read: it was rape from the moment onwards...). The game was really anticlimactic indeed.
On January 18 2009 16:21 QibingZero wrote: This has potential to be a long exhausting game, considering the map. And we're over 3 hours into a long exhausting match for both teams. Damn.
A great series though, i love this winners league thing its been just epic after epic each night.
On January 18 2009 16:21 QibingZero wrote: This has potential to be a long exhausting game, considering the map. And we're over 3 hours into a long exhausting match for both teams. Damn.
A great series though, i love this winners league thing its been just epic after epic each night.
seriously, i wish this is how proleague follows the format. it's just too intense/fun.
On January 18 2009 16:21 QibingZero wrote: This has potential to be a long exhausting game, considering the map. And we're over 3 hours into a long exhausting match for both teams. Damn.
A great series though, i love this winners league thing its been just epic after epic each night.
I <3 this match format. We get to see the good players play more, and we get to see some of the lesser players have a shot to rise up and take out a great.
man, that's amazing. Free is going to try to cheese leta. Leta isn't having any of that, both players scout center and cross positions first.
leta is buildling marines, and he went a standard build. leta's going to scout correctly on the second try, free takes the longest possible scouting route for what he picked.
On January 18 2009 16:21 QibingZero wrote: This has potential to be a long exhausting game, considering the map. And we're over 3 hours into a long exhausting match for both teams. Damn.
A great series though, i love this winners league thing its been just epic after epic each night.
Yeah, all-kill format is amazingly intense. I'm still hyped and will be again tomorrow!
fd for leta, so he's not even all in. 4 goons for free, 2 scv's and 6 marines, and a vult for leta, and he's planting spider mines and content to try to contain free.
leta decides to push in, and free has great goon micro as always, and snipes the tank, the first vult, all of the spider mines (do his goons never miss)?
the vult might have gotten 2 probes, but free keeps his 14 nex. He's contained by spider mines though, and he's choosing not to try to move out with his goon step micro.
ebay is now up, obs is out, so now free can try to clear up the mines.
1 vult sneaks into free's nat to try to do some harass, but is not successful.
free loads up 4 zeals into the shuttle, it looks like he's just planning on stopping any push attempt, and not doing an harass now that he finished the 14 nex.
leta builds another cc with the intent to float, free loses an obs for basically nothing. Leta is now contained, it's gonna be pretty tough for him to break out easily.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
Isn't the whole point of the trick that if the SCVs are blocked by the barracks the zerglings won't attack them? So there would be no reason for the zerglings to be in attack range of the SCVs anyway, no?
It depresses me how quickly people seem to forget about Flash just because Leta has a marginally better PL record..
I did not forget Flash. You're taking it out of context. Leta's wraiths are considered the best, clearly I was overexadurating but my point stand's Leta's wraiths ARE better than Flash's wraiths clearly I was not talking about his control over-all as you would know if you had bothered to read the post I had quoted.
And as for your first quote there is nothing wrong with the scv attacking once in a while and sure you can hold position with it but the fact of the matter is that I answered the question about what the rax float was you guys did not have to pick apart my post which I made at 1:00 while I'm drunk.
I really don't think you've done anything to earn the right to be so condescending to me when I've done absolutely nothing wrong. There are always people who are going to say things simply because they are fans of somebody and you talking down to me about a joke I made? Don't be so rude you have not even been here for 2 months and you're already talking down to people? That shows poor attitude.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
Isn't the whole point of the trick that if the SCVs are blocked by the barracks the zerglings won't attack them? So there would be no reason for the zerglings to be in attack range of the SCVs anyway, no?
Leta control tops them both by 100x though.
It depresses me how quickly people seem to forget about Flash just because Leta has a marginally better PL record..
I did not forget Flash. You're taking it out of context. Leta's wraiths are considered the best, clearly I was overexadurating but my point stand's Leta's wraiths ARE better than Flash's wraiths clearly I was not talking about his control over-all as you would know if you had bothered to read the post I had quoted.
And as for your first quote there is nothing wrong with the scv attacking once in a while and sure you can hold position with it but the fact of the matter is that I answered the question about what the rax float was you guys did not have to pick apart my post which I made at 1:00 while I'm drunk.
I really don't think you've done anything to earn the right to be so condescending to me when I've done absolutely nothing wrong. There are always people who are going to say things simply because they are fans of somebody and you talking down to me about a joke I made? Don't be so rude you have not even been here for 2 months and you're already talking down to people? That shows poor attitude.
lol getting drunk always seems to be the "excuse" nowadays like 2 weeks ago, this guy was ranting on about how he was the "best" because he was fucking his girlfriend while chatting to us on the starcraft channel...:p
leta sieges all of his unts right in front of free's nat, stasis gos off on a ton of tanks, and he gets both the sci vessels as well. leta's in trouble
On January 18 2009 16:41 GHOSTCLAW wrote: let's trying to use arbs to kill off the push, and free can't regen his mins/ gas fast enough to rebuild and totally kill off the push.
free's trying to force leta to be in too many places at once. the only thing that free is losing is gates, and that's not going to be enough. both players are still in the game. It depends how fast free can clear out every single intrusion into his bases
On January 18 2009 16:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: How come almost no one uses Templar in PvT at the pro-level anymore?
Please Avid you talk out of your ass so much >_< 60%+ of pro PvTs that go past mid-mid-game have storms. Watch nearly any of Jangbi's PvTs he LOVES his storms and he is revered as one of the best stormers.
On January 18 2009 16:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: How come almost no one uses Templar in PvT at the pro-level anymore?
Please Avid you talk out of your ass so much >_< 60%+ of pro PvTs that go past mid-mid-game have storms. Watch nearly any of Jangbi's PvTs he LOVES his storms and he is revered as one of the best stormers.
templars r one of the most effective protoss units in the game
im guessing free isnt producing templars because he doesnt think he has the time to save up energy for storm
Where are all of Free's troops? He has like 7 bases and a billion gateways. He just destroyed Leta's entire army and yet he doesn't seem to have anything left himself.
let's long distance mining in the same place that free is trying to build a nex. that's either a sign of how desperate leta is, or how free wants this game to continue
On January 18 2009 16:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: How come almost no one uses Templar in PvT at the pro-level anymore?
Please Avid you talk out of your ass so much >_< 60%+ of pro PvTs that go past mid-mid-game have storms. Watch nearly any of Jangbi's PvTs he LOVES his storms and he is revered as one of the best stormers.
Okay...though in many of the PvTs they never transition to templars after staying on arbiters for so long even when a few storms would have made all the difference. Perhaps my question was badly worded =/ I guess why arbs/reaver are more popular. Especially arbs, reavers I get. That's not very nice, I mean I could quote Best, who barely uses Templar. And Jangbi hasn't played PvT for a month except against Really, but he opted for *gasp* not templars. Don't be so hostile.
On January 18 2009 16:08 d(O.o)a wrote: Ok here is the rax trick.
1. Position SCV on ramp so that it blocks the entire thing for zerglings. 2. Put marines behind SCV/SCVs 3. Float Barracks over SCV so that the zerglings can't manual target it and thus are unable to advance up the ramp due to attack move targeting the marines behind the scv.
edit: and spam stop on scv so that it doesn't follow zerglings out and let them in.
Hold position with marines + scvs selected
Than the scv won't ever attack with stop spam he attacks if they are directly next to him for like 1/10.
LMAO The scv wont attack!? OH NO!
So youd rather spam stop to maybe do 5 more damage every 10th of the time agianst lings that will immediately turn around anyways?
Props to Leta, he played this in a very original style (snipiing like 10 probes on the field while they were trying to exp) but Free's macro and multitask could keep up with it, so GG
even though i love woongjin stars, i've doubted that free was a dragon. that he was sufficiently skilled to be included in the exclusive "6 Dragons" club. i believed that he was perhaps a++ class, but not the s-class player that is required for admission.
On January 18 2009 16:52 jigga wrote: Winners league is like 5000 times more exciting than PL format, I hope they don't change back
100% agreed. Everything gets so much more exciting and epic with this format. We're almost garanteed to see the best players play too, since teams will always have to do a last resort to try and win by sending out their best.
On January 18 2009 16:52 GTR-2-Go wrote: leta must be tired as fuck
eh, I mean everyone says this...but they do practice like 12hrs a day..so I mean thats not much of an excuse as everyone is under the same condition. However, if you are just saying he should be tired after these tough, long, and hardfought games as general statement then I guess my comment doesnt apply to you.
But yea one does get tired of hearing how they overwork flash, jaedong and bisu and thats supposed to be why they lose.
epic epic game. Free showed that he had goon micro still, and fended off the 14 nex. Leta came back really really well, and managed to push it ainto an even lategame, especailly by delaying the fourth and fifth expansions by a ton.
Leta needed to expand when he had the opportunity to. Free almost would have been better going with scouts (more ground damage ><; Epic game from both sides, and a hard fought win for free. watching the rep is amazing, and shows lots of things the obs missed when the game was happening
On January 18 2009 16:52 jigga wrote: Winners league is like 5000 times more exciting than PL format, I hope they don't change back
100% agreed. Everything gets so much more exciting and epic with this format. We're almost garanteed to see the best players play too, since teams will always have to do a last resort to try and win by sending out their best.
This paticular format seems kind of long for the timeslot however, so it's possible they might choose to scale it down to 3 wins, instead of 4.
On January 18 2009 16:52 GTR-2-Go wrote: leta must be tired as fuck
eh, I mean everyone says this...but they do practice like 12hrs a day..so I mean thats not much of an excuse as everyone is under the same condition. However, if you are just saying he should be tired after these tough, long, and hardfought games as general statement then I guess my comment doesnt apply to you.
But yea one does get tired of hearing how they overwork flash, jaedong and bisu and thats supposed to be why they lose.
It's not so much that they overwork players, it's more that they Stagnate and as a result get countered easily.
Free is probably the hottest dragon at the moment along with Jangbi, I guess but I havent heard much from him until yesterday where he did pretty well, but other than that he hasnt seem to have been making waves lately. (Backho falling down steps probably doesnt help this.)
On January 18 2009 16:52 GTR-2-Go wrote: leta must be tired as fuck
eh, I mean everyone says this...but they do practice like 12hrs a day..so I mean thats not much of an excuse as everyone is under the same condition. However, if you are just saying he should be tired after these tough, long, and hardfought games as general statement then I guess my comment doesnt apply to you.
But yea one does get tired of hearing how they overwork flash, jaedong and bisu and thats supposed to be why they lose.
yeah but on tv and playing for your team would add so much more stress.
On January 18 2009 16:57 mog87 wrote: Free is probably the hottest dragon at the moment along with Jangbi, I guess but I havent heard much from him until yesterday where he did pretty well, but other than that he hasnt seem to have been making waves lately. (Backho falling down steps probably doesnt help this.)
On January 18 2009 16:57 epjx31 wrote: i was wondering why leta din't take 5o'clock? instead went for the win?
he probably didn't feel like he needed to, and I'm thinking that he was thinking that it would be too hard to defend later in the game.
and he probably didnt suspect an army of arbiters with massive stasis
the stasis did work at first but without sufficient armies free wasn't able to defend his line. Should have expand or at least attack 1'oclock which is much more easier!
On January 18 2009 17:03 WingSandrockX wrote: this one a pretty fucking intense PL match! Who would've though it'd be this fun to watch OGN vs Stars? LOL
I fucking LOVE this format, SOOO INTENSE!
I'm now a BELIEVER of Leta!
In an hour and 30min, we'll see SkyHigH vs Bisu!!
1 hour!! Time slot got shifted forward 30 mins, don't miss it!
On January 18 2009 17:01 jodogohoo wrote: IF I WAS TOLD TO DRAW THE MOST AWESOME THING THAT HAPPENED, well today and maybe some other shit. THIS WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD DRAW
On January 18 2009 16:57 mog87 wrote: Free is probably the hottest dragon at the moment along with Jangbi, I guess but I havent heard much from him until yesterday where he did pretty well, but other than that he hasnt seem to have been making waves lately. (Backho falling down steps probably doesnt help this.)
backho isnt a dragon.
I never said he was lol, I was saying jangbi hasnt been playing much and the fact that his match against backho was canceled due to backhos injury doesn't help his somewhat conspicuous absence on the scene.
Well I wish Leta could have won that last game but I can't say I am disappointed with his play. I think Flash is the only terran right now who could have won that game and Leta is the only one who could have come that close to winning.
On January 18 2009 16:57 mog87 wrote: Free is probably the hottest dragon at the moment along with Jangbi, I guess but I havent heard much from him until yesterday where he did pretty well, but other than that he hasnt seem to have been making waves lately. (Backho falling down steps probably doesnt help this.)
backho isnt a dragon.
I never said he was lol, I was saying jangbi hasnt been playing much and the fact that his match against backho was canceled due to backhos injury doesn't help his somewhat conspicuous absence on the scene.
On January 18 2009 17:27 eshlow wrote: Those games were AWESOME to watch live.
Guemchi then leta.. the free beasting out. Almost makes me want to watch it again
THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH. this was so fucking good, my god guemchi some how winning, then fucking leta just going, no. fuck you. then free going, shit woonjin payed me to win, i better win and then leta was like fuck your probes, and then free was like fuck you i got arbs i kill ur scv, and leta was like wtf hacks, and free was like fuck yeah im awesome
Got both Leta and Free enlisted in my Fantasy League team, and they top it off with a match like that! ^^ First the series with Luxury, now Leta, this all-kill is working out much better than I had expected. And the F-league is adding to it still, I say GG
Wow I just watched the vods, this has to be one of the best proleague series I've seen. Insaaaane play against guemchi and a sick comeback, almost every game was totally awesome.
Leta you're the fucking man, sucks that he only got used as last resort, all that work and then losing the last game ... ouch.
Epic, epic, EPIC series. Leta's come back vs Guemchi was wtf good, infact Leta was just overall jesus christ sick.
The way Leta kept killing Free's probe that tried to expo was fucking hilarious - I think he managed to kill like 6 of them (despite Free having like 12 goons guarding them lmao)?
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