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On January 06 2009 21:31 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:29 QibingZero wrote:On January 06 2009 21:26 rushz0rz wrote:On January 06 2009 21:23 QibingZero wrote:
Jaedong shouldn't have done that, but seriously fuck metal builds. So utterly fucking lame. -.-
It was cute 2 years ago Up, now it's just boring. ROFL you're an idiot. For voicing my opinion, right? You're pathetic. yeah i am pathetic, right. i complain about builds, whine and cry because my favourite zerg player got owned from a perfectly viable strategy. players use what works.
I'm sorry, how did I complain? I said mech builds are lame and boring, which is simply my opinion. I enjoy watching mech TvZ just about as much as I enjoyed watching Lomo vs Really earlier, if that gives you any indication. I even said Jaedong didn't play well that game. Hell, before the ACE players were announced, I said I hoped they wouldn't send Up because he would likely do mech.
What's your problem, anyhow?
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On January 06 2009 21:36 abakben wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:34 Shikyo wrote:On January 06 2009 21:33 abakben wrote:On January 06 2009 21:32 Shikyo wrote:
Queens aren't used against Mech.. I at least was expecting Jaedong to use his brain while playing. Thanks for letting us know. We did not know that  Were you just waiting for a moment to jump in and say something witty, eh? On January 06 2009 21:31 monstar123 wrote:
Just Up's metall is very good. He is 9-1 in his last 10 tvz. What did u expect ???
Queen ????????? He was joking and if you did not get the joke it is your problem.
I respond to bad "jokes" like that by answering seriously, best way to own them.
On January 06 2009 21:34 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:28 Shikyo wrote:
I'm shocked at how badly Jaedong played that game. Nothing he did made any sense to me... Any idea why he... 1. made a million lings vs vultures 2. Sent those 4 lings out after they looked like they were ready to block the ramp 3. didn't get a den 4. went 2 hatch
And other things... nothing made any sense. And now I can't blame mech for being lame, Jaedong just handled it terribly, terribly, terribly. He was going 2hatch muta to try and catch and destroy the early goliaths with mutaling. Unfortunately, the vultures got through his ramp without taking much damage as the sunken was horribly missing them on the ramp (while they shot through the drones). So then he was actually behind, and went all-in with mutaling, but Up had gone for a safe build and it failed. I remember July losing to Up the exact same way quite a long time ago. Jaedong should have taken the BO loss and backed off and beat him in a long game, but he must have felt he was already too far behind.
Yeah, I can understand the 2 hatch muta part... I don't get why he made so many lings, though. But even that wasn't that bad, but I think that when he took the 4 lings off his ramp and sent them to die in Upmagic's main, that was... I just don't understand. And I think Zergs should start getting 2 sunkens instead of just one?
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
rushz0rz, Qibing, knock it off.
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Only good today is the other result. Just hate these metal build boring as hell. It dosent required the micro as MM does.
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On January 06 2009 21:38 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:36 abakben wrote:On January 06 2009 21:34 Shikyo wrote:On January 06 2009 21:33 abakben wrote:On January 06 2009 21:32 Shikyo wrote:
Queens aren't used against Mech.. I at least was expecting Jaedong to use his brain while playing. Thanks for letting us know. We did not know that Were you just waiting for a moment to jump in and say something witty, eh? On January 06 2009 21:31 monstar123 wrote:
Just Up's metall is very good. He is 9-1 in his last 10 tvz. What did u expect ???
Queen ????????? He was joking and if you did not get the joke it is your problem. I respond to bad "jokes" like that by answering seriously, best way to own them. Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:34 QibingZero wrote:On January 06 2009 21:28 Shikyo wrote:
I'm shocked at how badly Jaedong played that game. Nothing he did made any sense to me... Any idea why he... 1. made a million lings vs vultures 2. Sent those 4 lings out after they looked like they were ready to block the ramp 3. didn't get a den 4. went 2 hatch
And other things... nothing made any sense. And now I can't blame mech for being lame, Jaedong just handled it terribly, terribly, terribly. He was going 2hatch muta to try and catch and destroy the early goliaths with mutaling. Unfortunately, the vultures got through his ramp without taking much damage as the sunken was horribly missing them on the ramp (while they shot through the drones). So then he was actually behind, and went all-in with mutaling, but Up had gone for a safe build and it failed. I remember July losing to Up the exact same way quite a long time ago. Jaedong should have taken the BO loss and backed off and beat him in a long game, but he must have felt he was already too far behind. Yeah, I can understand the 2 hatch muta part... I don't get why he made so many lings, though. But even that wasn't that bad, but I think that when he took the 4 lings off his ramp and sent them to die in Upmagic's main, that was... I just don't understand. And I think Zergs should start getting 2 sunkens instead of just one?
Hmmm , why did he made so many ling ??
Cause he had about 10 drones.He made all in with about 8-9 mutas and 1 c lings.But Up had metall wall.It was GG after that atack
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On January 06 2009 21:40 sh02hp0869 wrote:
Only good today is the other result.
Agreed, atleast Lecaf is still on top. I just feel that it was wrong not putting HiyA up there.
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On January 06 2009 21:38 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:36 abakben wrote:On January 06 2009 21:34 Shikyo wrote:On January 06 2009 21:33 abakben wrote:On January 06 2009 21:32 Shikyo wrote:
Queens aren't used against Mech.. I at least was expecting Jaedong to use his brain while playing. Thanks for letting us know. We did not know that Were you just waiting for a moment to jump in and say something witty, eh? On January 06 2009 21:31 monstar123 wrote:
Just Up's metall is very good. He is 9-1 in his last 10 tvz. What did u expect ???
Queen ????????? He was joking and if you did not get the joke it is your problem. I respond to bad "jokes" like that by answering seriously, best way to own them. Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:34 QibingZero wrote:On January 06 2009 21:28 Shikyo wrote:
I'm shocked at how badly Jaedong played that game. Nothing he did made any sense to me... Any idea why he... 1. made a million lings vs vultures 2. Sent those 4 lings out after they looked like they were ready to block the ramp 3. didn't get a den 4. went 2 hatch
And other things... nothing made any sense. And now I can't blame mech for being lame, Jaedong just handled it terribly, terribly, terribly. He was going 2hatch muta to try and catch and destroy the early goliaths with mutaling. Unfortunately, the vultures got through his ramp without taking much damage as the sunken was horribly missing them on the ramp (while they shot through the drones). So then he was actually behind, and went all-in with mutaling, but Up had gone for a safe build and it failed. I remember July losing to Up the exact same way quite a long time ago. Jaedong should have taken the BO loss and backed off and beat him in a long game, but he must have felt he was already too far behind. Yeah, I can understand the 2 hatch muta part... I don't get why he made so many lings, though. But even that wasn't that bad, but I think that when he took the 4 lings off his ramp and sent them to die in Upmagic's main, that was... I just don't understand. And I think Zergs should start getting 2 sunkens instead of just one?
You're right. He should have kept those lings at home until the mutas popped, or placed another sunken. The thing is, the top players always try to play with builds that only get what's necessary as far as early defense. That's why we see Jaedong and Flash (still two of the top 5 players without question) losing to early harass builds so often. In this case, Jaedong likely thought he could hold the vultures on the ramp long enough to kill them, as 2 were injured before approaching.
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On January 06 2009 21:36 monstar123 wrote:
LOL, i begin speaking about queens cause fanboys expected from him more than lose.
JD should win more, than using queens. He is not 90% players right now. He is screwing 1 game of 2 games.
Seriously, I have absolutely no idea what did you want to say there... Looks very much like Time Attacker and Zerg of Savior signs...
This has been an awesome day for me, both eStro and WeMade winning (check out the liquibet odds, anyone who voted for this teams should get like 9-10 points instead of 1) ^_^
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People in this thread support the claim that Jaedong fanboys can't think rationally (at least a big proportion of them). Yet again they cry that mech is gay etc.
Jaedong just played poorly this game and he lost due to his careless play. He has been overly aggressive and didn't block his ramp which cost him the game. That's all.
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On January 06 2009 21:43 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:36 monstar123 wrote:
LOL, i begin speaking about queens cause fanboys expected from him more than lose.
JD should win more, than using queens. He is not 90% players right now. He is screwing 1 game of 2 games. Seriously, I have absolutely no idea what did you want to say there... Looks very much like Time Attacker and Zerg of Savior signs... This has been an awesome day for me, both eStro and WeMade winning (check out the liquibet odds, anyone who voted for this teams should get like 9-10 points instead of 1) ^_^
I wanted to say, that JD is not the dominant JD which was a year ago. He was a monster. He lost only a few games. Now he is good too, but his mind is trashed by using queens or other prodigies.
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Oh yeah! Nice one Up!
God my LB is 0/2 tonight, nice job guys, and I'm not being sarcastic
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On January 06 2009 21:51 monstar123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:43 Manit0u wrote:On January 06 2009 21:36 monstar123 wrote:
LOL, i begin speaking about queens cause fanboys expected from him more than lose.
JD should win more, than using queens. He is not 90% players right now. He is screwing 1 game of 2 games. Seriously, I have absolutely no idea what did you want to say there... Looks very much like Time Attacker and Zerg of Savior signs... This has been an awesome day for me, both eStro and WeMade winning (check out the liquibet odds, anyone who voted for this teams should get like 9-10 points instead of 1) ^_^ I wanted to say, that JD is not the dominant JD which was a year ago. He was a monster. He lost only a few games. Now he is good too, but his mind is trashed by using queens or other prodigies.
IMO it's the other way around. Everyone else got better. Up is a good example of this, I mean he's good to begin with but I think the Up today is way better than the Up back in EVER 2007.
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On January 06 2009 21:30 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:25 IdrA wrote:
people whining about metal:
if zergs would figure out that everything hinges on getting vultures in early mech wouldnt work. blame the dumbasses who leave their ramps open with 3 speedvults running around. how come all these top tier zergs still cant do that properly if u say its just that simple : (
how hard can it possibly be?
the day after light went 1 fac cc + speedvults vs effort every one of our b team zergs took 10 minutes to figure out evolve/den/hatch walls on every pos on every map. they dont lose to vult runbys anymore. at all. no reason proleague players cant do that too. the only time its excusable is if t manages to trick them into not thinking mech, or the new 8 rax bunker into vult, which forces an out of place sunken/late hatch/ low econ.
but seriously, jaedong KNOWS he has 2 fac speedvult.. even knows theres vults out on the map and yet he sits there with 1 sunk and actually runs away the lings that were blocking his ramp. anyone calling mech gay for that game is an idiot.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
lol wtf i thoguht jd's recent queen usage was awesome ..not trashing his mind = .=
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 06 2009 21:58 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 21:30 alffla wrote:On January 06 2009 21:25 IdrA wrote:
people whining about metal:
if zergs would figure out that everything hinges on getting vultures in early mech wouldnt work. blame the dumbasses who leave their ramps open with 3 speedvults running around. how come all these top tier zergs still cant do that properly if u say its just that simple : ( how hard can it possibly be? the day after light went 1 fac cc + speedvults vs effort every one of our b team zergs took 10 minutes to figure out evolve/den/hatch walls on every pos on every map. they dont lose to vult runbys anymore. at all. no reason proleague players cant do that too. the only time its excusable is if t manages to trick them into not thinking mech, or the new 8 rax bunker into vult, which forces an out of place sunken/late hatch/ low econ. but seriously, jaedong KNOWS he has 2 fac speedvult.. even knows theres vults out on the map and yet he sits there with 1 sunk and actually runs away the lings that were blocking his ramp. anyone calling mech gay for that game is an idiot.
ah well that soujnds good hopefully zergs will show better results vs mech tvz in the upcoming weeks then :\
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wouldnt count on it, that was more than a month ago.
theres a reason only jaedong can win at all right now. not the brightest crop of zergs in a while.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Wow. What a comeback with Up sniping it in ace!
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Maybe Jaedong was thinking that if he can delay the push with the lings and maybe damage the eco of UpMagic then he can exo safely and gain the advantage...
but he was too aggressive..
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Jaedong's play in the ace match was positively suicidal.
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