EPT[PL] eSTRO vs SKT T1 - Page 30
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clazziquai
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dmetheny
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:51 3 Lions wrote: apparently Best and Really have played each other twice before. Did anything happen during those two games? (there's no vods in the TLPD, only results) Not in particular. They were both in the same match - first on Katrina in the 2set? and then once again in the ace on Othello. The game on Katrina was somewhat of a coming out party for Really. At that point BeSt was red-hot and nobody expected him to drop a game to a young Terran on a Protoss-favored macro map like Katrina. However, Really played a near-perfect game - trumping BeSt's signature arbiter use with some excellent EMPs. I remember former eSTRO coach Daniel Lee mentioning this game specifically during a commentary with Artosis - he was obviously proud of Really for this showing. BeSt was probably disappointed for losing straight-up on Katrina to an unproven player, and returned in the ace game of that match to take on Really (once again) on Othello. He went for 1-gate robo, crushed Really's first push (I think it was FD) and then owned the defenseless Terran main. At the time, I thought that game was a brilliant display of BeSt's ability to change styles at the drop of a hat - one second he's duking it out in a macro war, and when that doesn't work he turns to unexpectedly aggressive play. During those two games there was no sign of bad blood from either player, but you can see why both of them would want to make a statement in their game last night. The stakes were high (once again) and both players wanted to avenge a loss from last season - BeSt to prove that his PvT is now truly unstoppable and Really to prove that his game vs. BeSt on Katrina was not a fluke. I haven't watched the VOD yet, but it sounds like the guys who are calling BeSt's final expo bm are just being idiots. Unless you're actually warping nexuses inside your enemy's nat/base, it can't be considered bm. I should add that BeSt is certainly not the type to be showy or offensive for no good reason. He'll let his play do the talking  While I'm on the subject, here are some stats for Do Jaewook in 2008: 71-27 (72.4%) wtf Best winstreak: 11 games (current winstreak is 8 games) vP: 23-7 (76.7%) Best vP winstreak: 16 games (all-time record) vT: 22-6 (78.5%) Best vT winstreak: 9 games (currently 13/his last 14) vZ....let's not go there lol | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On December 30 2008 04:09 jwd241224 wrote: Not in particular. They were both in the same match - first on Katrina in the 2set? and then once again in the ace on Othello. The game on Katrina was somewhat of a coming out party for Really. At that point BeSt was red-hot and nobody expected him to drop a game to a young Terran on a Protoss-favored macro map like Katrina. However, Really played a near-perfect game - trumping BeSt's signature arbiter use with some excellent EMPs. I remember former eSTRO coach Daniel Lee mentioning this game specifically during a commentary with Artosis - he was obviously proud of Really for this showing. BeSt was probably disappointed for losing straight-up on Katrina to an unproven player, and returned in the ace game of that match to take on Really (once again) on Othello. He went for 1-gate robo, crushed Really's first push (I think it was FD) and then owned the defenseless Terran main. At the time, I thought that game was a brilliant display of BeSt's ability to change styles at the drop of a hat - one second he's duking it out in a macro war, and when that doesn't work he turns to unexpectedly aggressive play. During those two games there was no sign of bad blood from either player, but you can see why both of them would want to make a statement in their game last night. The stakes were high (once again) and both players wanted to avenge a loss from last season - BeSt to prove that his PvT is now truly unstoppable and Really to prove that his game vs. BeSt on Katrina was not a fluke. I haven't watched the VOD yet, but it sounds like the guys who are calling BeSt's final expo bm are just being idiots. Unless you're actually warping nexuses inside your enemy's nat/base, it can't be considered bm. ok thanks for the clarification. I agree. Unless a hatchery/nexus/cc is built in the main or at the nat, its is not BM. I remember savior once built a hatchery under Nada's floating CC in the ODT, and there were no cries of foul. | ||
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imDerek
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InFiNitY[pG]
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NonConGuy
United States416 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On December 29 2008 17:42 Sunyveil wrote: hmmm this will be close I think  BeSt[HyO] maGmaBisu ReallyUpMagiC< BeSt[HyO]we have a winner | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On December 30 2008 06:19 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: If best can get his PvZ on the same level as his other two matchups (he has Bisu to learn from, wtf is he waiting for) he will truly be the best Protoss out there imo Best Protoss out there? How about best SC player of all time? His other two MUs are consistently in the upper 70% (check the 2008 stats above), for any player to have all three MUs in the HIGH 70s is unheard of, even oov didn't manage it in all matchups during his reign of terror. Even with "lackluster" (and by lackluster I mean ~50% winrate against the best Zergs out there) performance against Zerg, BeSt's 2008 record is still above 70% wins. That is insane. I do agree though, BeSt should be learning from Bisu. I think the main problem with PvZ is that it's so contrary to his style of play - much more micro and harass-style play is required, unlike in PvP or PvT where he can play solid defense and build his eco. Another major mistake is his obsession with sair-reaver - BeSt, dude, you don't have the control to pull that off. Just stick to templar tech please! | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On December 29 2008 23:28 TW WiNNinG 54 wrote: Estro is in dire need of an ACE. lol estro has an ace what they need is more than 1 ace to choose from, really's too obvious now | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
skt protosses win everything skt zergs lose everything and the terrans.. depends. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:55 KizZBG wrote: Nothing really happened. I remember Really dmatrixing a mine in the game he won but that's nothing. lol dude that's an awesome move can you imagine if someone dmatrixed a mine as it's triggered then it killed a whole bunch of stuff? that'd work in tvp lategame if you got a keen eye for which mine to dmatrix | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 30 2008 04:09 jwd241224 wrote: Not in particular. They were both in the same match - first on Katrina in the 2set? and then once again in the ace on Othello. the ace was on wuthering heights | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
Ah, good call IdrA. My memory fails me Lesson learned: way, way too many twilight maps these days. | ||
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monstar123
United States516 Posts
On December 30 2008 11:08 jwd241224 wrote: Ah, good call IdrA. My memory fails me Lesson learned: way, way too many twilight maps these days. LoL, just look at TLPD. It was on WHeights or just search it on youtube. I watched both games on youtube.If cannot recognize couple twilight maps, i dont have idea what to say  | ||
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