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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 29 2008 12:45 GMT
#561
AHHHHH GO BEST

<3

4-0 in ace games btw, consider how monstrous that is.
✌
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 29 2008 12:51 GMT
#562
apparently Best and Really have played each other twice before. Did anything happen during those two games? (there's no vods in the TLPD, only results)
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 29 2008 12:55 GMT
#563
Nothing really happened. I remember Really dmatrixing a mine in the game he won but that's nothing.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
December 29 2008 12:57 GMT
#564
Does estro always lost 2-3 in PL ? It seems to be they never manager to win an Ace game.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 29 2008 13:01 GMT
#565
They've won some but lost a SHITLOAD of ace matches this season and the one before. They're slowly stepping up though, next year will be really good for them.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
December 29 2008 13:05 GMT
#566
On December 29 2008 21:01 benjammin wrote:
you gotta be pretty dense to think this wasn't bm


cut your wrists, seriously you really gotta be some light blue emo gothic punk for thinking that building a nexus near mineral patches is bm.
Terran & Potato Salad.
fw *
Profile Joined April 2003
Korea (South)1201 Posts
December 29 2008 13:32 GMT
#567
whether it can be defined as bm or not, it's not should-be-banned thing at all.
if you get hurt by it, still blame yourself loser and take a revenge in a game next time.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
December 29 2008 13:38 GMT
#568
Wow, best showing amazing pvp/pvt and personality. This was an awesome proleague match.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 29 2008 14:15 GMT
#569
if all games in tlpd are kespa counting, best has a 70% winrate in 2008.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
December 29 2008 14:17 GMT
#570
On December 29 2008 20:58 food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 20:57 Naib wrote:
In yo face Nexus.

2-man team GO!



2 man team? thats something u made up on your own isnt it lol


Well, I'll try to explain. Most of the T1 players (especially zerg) results are total crap, Best and Bisu on the other hand are carrying the team on their shoulders. Thus, 2-man team, you know, a metaphor.

I hope that wasn't too deep to understand, sir.
Complete the cycle!
TW WiNNinG 54
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States250 Posts
December 29 2008 14:28 GMT
#571
Estro is in dire need of an ACE.
Keep Fighting Savior!!! U can do it!
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
December 29 2008 15:15 GMT
#572
On December 29 2008 20:58 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 20:55 Jaeden wrote:
On December 29 2008 20:42 baubo wrote:
On December 29 2008 20:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
On December 29 2008 20:33 baubo wrote:
I'm not sure I like that format. Really takes away the point of having depth on your team. And places more emphasis on players who can handle all three matchups.

Of course, reducing appearances by the likes of hyuk is a good thing though...


No you really need depth actually. Teams snipe so much better in this format, and you get to see players play all their matchups. I love it.


I hope that's the case. Because I think it's very possible for situations where a Flash or a Jaedong can just mop up. It just has to favor teams with a super-ace like KTF as opposed to a more balanced team like MBC.

It`s practically impossible to mop up. The koth format is brilliant and very entertaining...Every player can be sniped, even nowadays every player loses from time to time on a known map against a known opponent...although it will hurt lecaf


Tuscon TeamLeague Final Series:

Tucsan

1. (T)(T)Midas > (T)(T)iloveoov on Tucson
2. (T)(T)Midas < (P)(P)IntoTheRainBOw on Into the Darkness
3. (Z)(Z)GoRush > (P)(P)IntoTheRainBOw on Luna
4. (Z)(Z)GoRush < (T)(T)BoxeR on Detonation F
5. (T)(T)XellOs > (T)(T)BoxeR on Tucson
6. (T)(T)XellOs < (P)(P)Kingdom on Into the Darkness
7. (P)(P)fOru < (P)(P)Kingdom on Luna

Can't argue with that.


No, it means that you can not snipe Kingdom
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4339 Posts
December 29 2008 15:32 GMT
#573
On December 29 2008 23:28 TW WiNNinG 54 wrote:
Estro is in dire need of an ACE.


I've been saying that all fucking year. =(

NonY for ACE!
So wait? I'm bad? =(
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 15:51:13
December 29 2008 15:50 GMT
#574
dam was hoping for really 2 pull through. skt1 showing that u only need 2 great players to win PL matches
Forever Young
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17557 Posts
December 29 2008 16:11 GMT
#575
On December 29 2008 21:14 Lebesgue wrote:
If I can add my 2cents I would say it was bm as well. Best added a pylon even before he took down that base and then immidiately takes the spot with nexus even though he is on 8 bases and is just raping Really's 3 o'clock. Well. he surely knew he won the game by that point.


What's wrong in placing a pylon at the spot where you intend to expand? The fact that Really's cc was still standing there didn't matter, BeSt harassed this base a lot throughout the game and wanted to capture it so that Really won't be able to take it back that easily in the case he won't GG right away and will try to stall for time (it's an ace match after all, in many of them people are staying in the game despite the odds although they've clearly lost it some time ago).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
December 29 2008 16:38 GMT
#576
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
December 29 2008 17:14 GMT
#577
18-5...damn...
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-29 17:16:33
December 29 2008 17:15 GMT
#578
On December 29 2008 23:17 Naib wrote:
Well, I'll try to explain. Most of the T1 players (especially zerg) results are total crap, Best and Bisu on the other hand are carrying the team on their shoulders. Thus, 2-man team, you know, a metaphor.

I hope that wasn't too deep to understand, sir.

The T1 Terrans aren't bad, its just that they all seem to be slumping this season. Canata prior to this season has been fairly consistent in TvT, keeping close to a historical 65% winrate in that matchup (and winning 8 of the 9 TvTs he played LAST PL season). Midas has been a solid performer on the T1 team for a while, its just that this season, things don't seem to be working out. And Fantasy, while maybe not on the level of Bisu/Best or other S-class players like Jaedong/Flash/Stork, is certainly capable of taking games off those players, and winning against lower-level players.

Honestly, discounting the zergs, T1's lineup shouldn't be thinner than, say, Samsung KHAN's. KHAN plays some combination of Stork, Jangbi, Firebathero, and Frozean almost every match. While Firebathero has certainly been showing stellar play in his two good matchups, I wouldn't say that Fantasy and Midas are worse than Frozean. The difference is that KHAN has two zergs that can win matches some of the time, Odin and Great.

Best and Bisu have most of T1's PL game wins, but that doesn't make T1 a two-man team. Their Terrans have performed well in the past, and should do so again once they can get their act together.
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
December 29 2008 18:17 GMT
#579
On December 29 2008 21:14 Lebesgue wrote:
If I can add my 2cents I would say it was bm as well. Best added a pylon even before he took down that base and then immidiately takes the spot with nexus even though he is on 8 bases and is just raping Really's 3 o'clock. Well. he surely knew he won the game by that point.


By that logic it would be bm too to keep fighting even if know that you have most probably already lost the game.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
TW WiNNinG 54
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States250 Posts
December 29 2008 18:51 GMT
#580
On December 30 2008 00:32 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2008 23:28 TW WiNNinG 54 wrote:
Estro is in dire need of an ACE.


I've been saying that all fucking year. =(

NonY for ACE!


Amen
Keep Fighting Savior!!! U can do it!
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