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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
December 16 2008 07:34 GMT
#461
Actually now that I think about Calm's build was fucking awesome that game. It looked like a fake 2-hatch muta (even had the spire build at the same time as the den and built the 3rd hatch at the bottom of his base so it wouldn't get scanned) with the 12 speedlings. He then just used his fast lurkers to defend his 3rd (and later 4th) and basically hive-rushed. He then used lurker-ling-defiler for the most part, with a healthy amount of upgraded hydras which forced iris to make a lot of tanks. Then he transitioned into ultras. It was a really fucking awesome Build.

+ Show Spoiler +

Or maybe I'm just looking too much into it lol.
Free Palestine
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
December 16 2008 07:36 GMT
#462
On December 16 2008 16:33 thunk wrote:
I love how the MBC commentators color coordinate their shirts. Sad that Nal_Ra is among them rather than on the bench. Even B-team Tossgirl gets to sit on the bench.

That Ace match was really good. Not going to lie.

Well, he looks like he really enjoys commentating, he's always smiling. I'd prefer if he was still playing and kicking ass, but if he lost his motivation and decided to move on, I'll be happy for him.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
December 16 2008 07:38 GMT
#463
On December 16 2008 16:26 thunk wrote:
Calm did a great job shutting down the expos of Iris. If he didn't, he would have lost.

And Iris didn't put much effort into keeping them. =/
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
December 16 2008 07:42 GMT
#464
god dammit!!!

IRIS NUUU
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
December 16 2008 07:42 GMT
#465
i forgot berserker was Iris
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 07:46:33
December 16 2008 07:45 GMT
#466
On December 16 2008 16:34 Ideas wrote:
Actually now that I think about Calm's build was fucking awesome that game. It looked like a fake 2-hatch muta (even had the spire build at the same time as the den and built the 3rd hatch at the bottom of his base so it wouldn't get scanned) with the 12 speedlings. He then just used his fast lurkers to defend his 3rd (and later 4th) and basically hive-rushed. He then used lurker-ling-defiler for the most part, with a healthy amount of upgraded hydras which forced iris to make a lot of tanks. Then he transitioned into ultras. It was a really fucking awesome Build.

+ Show Spoiler +

Or maybe I'm just looking too much into it lol.


Well Iris did see 3 hatch build, so no 2 hatch.

Main things why this build worked out good. Fake spire and weak 3 hatch base play and hiding lurkers. Calm managed to take all Iris m&m from natural to kill those 2 lurkers and drones could maynard with no problems to 3rd gas (kept expansion hidden).

Iris scouted his 4th gas attempt before he even did know that Calm had 3rd gas up and running (I guess he guessed possible expansion somewhere). Perhaps he felt he was way ahead but failed to scout
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
December 16 2008 08:32 GMT
#467
The team standings are currently very silly. Lecaf has 4 less games played than some teams, yeesh.
Oh, my eSports
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 08:57:28
December 16 2008 08:48 GMT
#468
On December 16 2008 16:11 Deletrious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2008 16:07 thunk wrote:
On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:
On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:
On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:
On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:
On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote:
I want July to move to SKT

That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again.


what happened?


There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors.

Rumors include (in order of relevancy):
a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC
b) poor performance from July
c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired.



So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what?


I forgot to mention b.5, that SKT1 wasn't doing so hot either. I don't know, they just don't get along. And if you look at their history of games July is 3-2, but his 2nd win (on blue storm) was a disconnect between Bisu and July with July given the win. If you look at the game, Bisu was so far behind but at the time Bisu was Bisu-unbeatable and if a DT was out the game would have been a rematch. But the DT wasn't out and the win was given to July. And the ones in the Bacchus and Incruit OSL they played each other in the group stages, and then the tie breakers. (Bisu advanced both times; they did not meet in the Ever OSL). They have a close rivalry going.

From here on out, it's speculation:
You can probably also relate it to the fact that Bisu is the PvZ killer who invented the Protoss FE and July is the type of person to go for the 2 hatch hydra cannon breaks or ling all-ins every time and I bet that caused some friction. In the most dramatic sense, it is a battle of styles.
You can't forget that MBC is July's team. He built it from POS, from his own effort. Bisu came in, FE'd his way to victory, and became the face of MBC. I can't remember who was traded first, but I think it was July, and he was forced to leave his team (to SKT1) and Bisu then followed. I bet that was annoying for July. If Bisu was traded first, this point is only marginally valid; July was playing poorly when Bisu was dominate though.


Ah thanks muchos. I had heard July left MBC because he didn't feel they were paying him what he was worth. I didn't know he built the team though?
But Bisu becoming the face of his team would definitely make sense. July keeps winning in the group stages and losing the tie breakers, I would love to see those two in a real b03, bo5.


Nice fiction. Now for some facts:

July left MBC over a salary slash during contract renegotiation, which didn't make sense since he played a big role in MBC winning the PL through out 06. With fist full of moola SKT scooped up July, and Bisu soon after. Now, there's no documented rivalry outside of televised esports b/w July and Bisu. Even then it's made up by fan hype cus, naturally, they each specialize in destroying the other. Rivalry? Okay. Friction? Dreamed up.

I can think of one guy in SKT July hates though, and he hates July. He's also a senior on the team (you know what that means). Yeah, it's Gorush. These two can't stand each other, if they discuss strategy they disagree on everything. So if there's a source of tension from inside SKT1 affecting July, it's Gorush and his seniority. Personally I hate 'em, haven't done jack after leaving GO and arrogant as hell.

Since transferring to STX, July's done much better. STX is a young team, and to an old, accomplished player like July, there's no one else like him there. It's home.
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Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
December 16 2008 08:53 GMT
#469
CJ noooo
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
December 16 2008 12:03 GMT
#470
Noooo movie, whats happening to you, you looked so promising and now youve lost to an ace player/bogus T_T
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
ToRtiLLa
Profile Joined November 2008
Croatia9 Posts
December 16 2008 13:25 GMT
#471
go STX!
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
December 16 2008 15:10 GMT
#472
Very good to see STX won a PL match.

I wanted to see this "sKyhigh" kid, since it was the first time I've ever heard of him. I guess I'll have to download and watch the vods and see for myself what is he all about.

I'm glad that Effort and July won though. <3
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 16 2008 16:36 GMT
#473
On December 16 2008 21:03 Scaramanga wrote:
Noooo movie, whats happening to you, you looked so promising and now youve lost to an ace player/bogus T_T


To be fair, the ACE player was a Death God.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 16 2008 17:30 GMT
#474
On December 16 2008 17:48 .risingdragoon wrote:

Nice fiction. Now for some facts:

I can think of one guy in SKT July hates though, and he hates July. He's also a senior on the team (you know what that means). Yeah, it's Gorush. These two can't stand each other, if they discuss strategy they disagree on everything. So if there's a source of tension from inside SKT1 affecting July, it's Gorush and his seniority. Personally I hate 'em, haven't done jack after leaving GO and arrogant as hell.


On December 16 2008 17:48 .risingdragoon wrote:

Nice fiction.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
December 16 2008 17:33 GMT
#475
Aw well I gain some points. t_t movie.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 16 2008 17:44 GMT
#476
Woot the God Of War fighting !!! sad for CJ thought i think that they deserve to reach playoffs their lineup at least has depth with the new players rising .
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 17:51:01
December 16 2008 17:50 GMT
#477
On December 17 2008 02:30 SuperJongMan wrote:stuff


now that's documented baby

another reason why gorush sucks azZ
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Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
December 16 2008 18:33 GMT
#478
With the win in the closer at least Calm redeemed himself .
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
December 16 2008 20:11 GMT
#479
that makes july 5-0 vs p this proleague i think
awesome.
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
December 16 2008 20:14 GMT
#480
wtf cj
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