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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
December 07 2008 15:50 GMT
#441
STOP SENDING LUXURY FOR ACE, fuck.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-07 16:10:06
December 07 2008 16:09 GMT
#442
i think they sent Lux as a snipe, cuz they assumed OGN gonna order for their ace player to practice against Flash.

Or the coach was simly drunk
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
boxer fan
Profile Joined March 2007
Romania51 Posts
December 07 2008 16:17 GMT
#443
Well but still send flash .... highest chance to win the ace match
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 07 2008 17:37 GMT
#444
What the hell! Luxury? What's up with you?
beaumaynz
Profile Joined October 2008
10 Posts
December 07 2008 17:46 GMT
#445
fuck you luxury!!!!
손찬웅화이팅 - reachdreamdate.com - formerly bongming420
SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
December 07 2008 17:54 GMT
#446
TT
Aegraen #1 Fan!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 07 2008 18:06 GMT
#447
On December 07 2008 17:30 thunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 17:11 MrHoon wrote:
On December 07 2008 17:07 d_so wrote:
ktf needs to go recruit that guy that beat flash in msl. horang2

No we dont need players who got lucky

We need a goddamn coach who knows what they're doing

9 years KTF, 9 damn years. You always had the damned star lineup but you always had that 1 retarded coach who can manage a team like a retard


SKT1 needs a new coach too. They've already gone thorough 1 though, I don't precisely remember KTF's coaching situation.

The current SKT coach is the same coach who trained Bisu to what he is now and is the one who got MBCgame their proleague win

SKT always had the best coach
KTF always had coaches who beat their players with a baseball bat
dats racist
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
December 07 2008 18:19 GMT
#448
Give Luxury some time. Didn't Bisu have pretty bad results previous season, after he moved to SKT1 too?

And KTF coach...well, at least he didn't send Hery ).
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 07 2008 19:16 GMT
#449
On December 08 2008 01:09 Geo.Rion wrote:
i think they sent Lux as a snipe, cuz they assumed OGN gonna order for their ace player to practice against Flash.

Or the coach was simly drunk


After I haven't seen Lux in the line-up and seeing that he is in the line-up for next games (indictaing that coaches still belioeve in him) I thought it is really probable that KTF will send him for the Ace (especially after Lux dismantled Mind at the very same map). And if I could predict I'm sure OGN coach have predicted that as well. I think in that situation would be better to send Flash and just give Lux a break... OGN coaches are so good in all thos Mind games, sigh... Don't get me wrong, I think actually this game KTF coaches didn't make much of mistake. Stuff like that happens.


What is less forgiveable is tha fact that they have snet Hery and Violet(!) twice in the recent past which really fucked KTF position in the proleague. That is what should have never happen.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
December 07 2008 19:29 GMT
#450
On December 08 2008 04:16 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2008 01:09 Geo.Rion wrote:
i think they sent Lux as a snipe, cuz they assumed OGN gonna order for their ace player to practice against Flash.

Or the coach was simly drunk


After I haven't seen Lux in the line-up and seeing that he is in the line-up for next games (indictaing that coaches still belioeve in him) I thought it is really probable that KTF will send him for the Ace (especially after Lux dismantled Mind at the very same map). And if I could predict I'm sure OGN coach have predicted that as well. I think in that situation would be better to send Flash and just give Lux a break... OGN coaches are so good in all thos Mind games, sigh... Don't get me wrong, I think actually this game KTF coaches didn't make much of mistake. Stuff like that happens.


What is less forgiveable is tha fact that they have snet Hery and Violet(!) twice in the recent past which really fucked KTF position in the proleague. That is what should have never happen.

Although Haji disagrees, it really seems to me like KTF does not have ANY consistently good players other than Flash. 815, Lucifer, Hery, Sair, can all win games, but they can also lose them handily.

I think if KTF was just replaced by Flash they would have a better record. I guess they have no choice but to give other players experience so they can improve, but it also seems like all the "other" players don't have what it takes.

I guess they'll just suck until they can come up with a consistent line up, or until Lux starts winning so they can just win a total of 3 matches with Flash and Lux in some combination...

KTFLash hwaiting...
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 07 2008 19:30 GMT
#451
do u guys understand that if they always send flash not only will it create no depth/experience for the other players, but it'll burn out flash from overplaying?
Forever Young
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
December 07 2008 19:43 GMT
#452
When KTF fired (Z)ChoJJa it became the useless team without serious players except (T)Flash.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-07 20:21:24
December 07 2008 20:20 GMT
#453
On December 08 2008 04:30 sung_moon wrote:
do u guys understand that if they always send flash not only will it create no depth/experience for the other players, but it'll burn out flash from overplaying?



I doubt playing 2 games in one night, or sending him out for ACE in pivotal situations will burn him out considering he practices like 12 hrs a day. The first point however has merit.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
December 07 2008 20:54 GMT
#454
yellow, reach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lux
nothing
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 07 2008 21:12 GMT
#455
On December 08 2008 05:20 mog87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2008 04:30 sung_moon wrote:
do u guys understand that if they always send flash not only will it create no depth/experience for the other players, but it'll burn out flash from overplaying?



I doubt playing 2 games in one night, or sending him out for ACE in pivotal situations will burn him out considering he practices like 12 hrs a day. The first point however has merit.


I beg to differ. That is what happened to Flash last season. Especially when all the leagues will kick i I really hope new coaches will give the kid break from time to time. That's why I'm not bitching about sending Lux for the ace. It was reasonable to expect that Lux will take down Leta. Well he doesn't and I can express my disappointment but I won't blame coaches for that.

However, many times the line-ups for KTF are really suprising to say at least and I am puzzled by their choices of players. Hery and Violet should never play again unless they vastly improve. KTF has enough of decent players to support Flash and Lux; like Sair, Tempest, 815, Lucifer, Stats and Firefist. Also I hope they will bring HoeJJa who showed some great ZvP in the GomTV.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
December 07 2008 21:13 GMT
#456
Lux is in a bit of a slump right now. I can deal with that. I just wish the KTF coaches could figure that out and stop sending him for ace, especially with how good Flash has looked lately.

KTF's lineup has a lot of potential, but as far lineup and ace decisions go, the coaches keep screwing up.
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
December 07 2008 21:15 GMT
#457
On December 08 2008 03:19 adelarge wrote:
Give Luxury some time. Didn't Bisu have pretty bad results previous season, after he moved to SKT1 too?

And KTF coach...well, at least he didn't send Hery ).


Except Bisu was forced to move and Luxury did so willingly...or at least that's what I hear
TBA
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 07 2008 21:56 GMT
#458
Hey Luxury haters guess what luxury is good.
Hi.
Barbarne
Profile Joined August 2007
Sweden458 Posts
December 07 2008 22:24 GMT
#459
Leta is so amazing. I've been cheering for him since back when he was only a TvT-monster on wuthering heights, where he defeated nearly everyone despite being the extreme rookie versus most of his opponents.

I think Leta won that last game in typical Leta fashion, by doing a strange and unexpected build, like he seems to do everytime i TvZ. He's never gone wraiths before, and that probably put luxury off.

And to those of you who lack in Leta-knowledge, he was knocked out of OSL prelims by jaedong, but in clubdayMSL prelims he beat han (the protoss who beat jaedong in OSL prelims...). He was finally knocked out in ro32 by forGG and Iris, two rather "capable" TvTers.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
December 07 2008 22:27 GMT
#460
On December 08 2008 06:15 Danger_Duck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2008 03:19 adelarge wrote:
Give Luxury some time. Didn't Bisu have pretty bad results previous season, after he moved to SKT1 too?

And KTF coach...well, at least he didn't send Hery ).


Except Bisu was forced to move and Luxury did so willingly...or at least that's what I hear


I think this isn't important. Changing team means a lot of changes in players life, change of routine, change of practice partners and so on. When some big name changes team in fotball or hockey, he usually also don't have that great result from the start.

Therefore a I couldn't ditch Luxury...yet.
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