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Frist game starting shortly!
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Lol I was in the process of trying to make this thread. Thank you for making it instead =)
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Cheers for making a thread at the last minute. GG's.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Hot match here, with SKTT1 busting out the big guns. OGN opener is strong, but Tazza and HakSoo have hardly proven themselves, and they are up against MSL / OSL finalists.
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If the new tosses somehow beat Bisu or Fantasy it will be sad for SKT ...
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lol, last minute thread. guess everybody expected skt1 to lose or something
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On November 25 2008 18:44 Aesop wrote: Hot match here, with SKTT1 busting out the big guns. OGN opener is strong, but Tazza and HakSoo have hardly proven themselves, and they are up against MSL / OSL finalists.
Yeah maybe if OGN used type-b to snipe fantasy or Bisu they would have greater chances ... Seriously if SKT can't beat this lineup they wouldn't make playoffs this season for sure ....
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Yellow Bot right, S2 bot left 9 pool for s2, overpool for yellow?
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lair for both s2 and yellow, s2's slightly faster
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my apologies, i stuffed up the Bo's there, wasn't paying attention early game, ignore my first comment!
I'll refrain from updating this thread until game 2. Once again, sorry for the confusion.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Yarnc got his Mutas out first, s2 had more lings though -> s2 won the battle on the ground and proceeded to kill drones from Yarnc until getting killed by Mutas. Yarnc has more gas supply though and still a healthy number of drones overall.
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S2 is actually in pretty decent shape I think
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I gtg out soon, can't update op till later!
make sure u post results for me =]
thx
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Hungary11300 Posts
Both are massing up mutas at the moment, both have a 2nd base with gas. Looks like Yarnc has more Muta/Scourge though. He attacks! Huge battle with lots of scourge detonating. Nice micro from s2. Who will be ahead in the final muta battle?
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Hungary11300 Posts
And Yarnc wins the battle! s2 ggs out!
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Wow, SKTT1 zerg lost. never saw that coming.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
gah daum lags so bad for me tonight
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god SKT should just fire their entire Zerg lineup and let fans play Zerg for them or something.
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Looking at his record s2 was a terrible choice to put into a potential ZvZ situation, being 1-6 ZvZ and yellow being ..... yellow
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skt1 zerg losing, how suprising ~~
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Well, the zerg streak continues, although using Yarnc on s2 is such a waste.
OGN better win the next game in order to force the Ace match.
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SKT's Zerg lineup drops another game, we never would have thought that.
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Wow. So I guess this makes s2 have 0:6 record in proleague
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For a second i thought s2 actually won. But i guess it was too good to be true...
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On November 25 2008 18:59 baubo wrote: Well, the zerg streak continues, although using Yarnc on s2 is such a waste.
OGN better win the next game in order to force the Ace match.
Yeah they should have used type - b at least Yarnc can snipe fantasy or something like that ...
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On November 25 2008 19:02 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 18:59 baubo wrote: Well, the zerg streak continues, although using Yarnc on s2 is such a waste.
OGN better win the next game in order to force the Ace match. Yeah they should have used type - b at least Yarnc can snipe fantasy or something like that ... ????? The map was harmony.
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BeSt vs. Leta
BeSt Fighting!
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SKT should start putting their Zergs in game 4 regardless of map and rely on winning every match 3-0.
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Or they can rely on two protosses on their strong maps and going for an ace.
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Right, i'll update this one better hopefully
BeSt vs Leta.
Best spawns at top right (yellow) Leta at bot left ( teal)
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On November 25 2008 19:03 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 19:02 raga4ka wrote:On November 25 2008 18:59 baubo wrote: Well, the zerg streak continues, although using Yarnc on s2 is such a waste.
OGN better win the next game in order to force the Ace match. Yeah they should have used type - b at least Yarnc can snipe fantasy or something like that ... ????? The map was harmony.
Lol just now i looked at it . Lol SKT knows where to put their garbage to snipe Yellow who was going to snipe a terran :D . In snipeing yellow i mean geting wasted by him and not some random toss who is an easy win for enyone other then a SKT zerg ...
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Hungary11300 Posts
BeSt vs. Leta started! On Chupung.Ryeong. Best has the top position, Leta the lower.
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Fast scout for Leta looking for proxies
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Standard play from both players so far, No proxies
Leta sends out an early scouting SCV and spends ~20 seconds looking for a proxy from BeSt.
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On November 25 2008 19:02 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 18:59 baubo wrote: Well, the zerg streak continues, although using Yarnc on s2 is such a waste.
OGN better win the next game in order to force the Ace match. Yeah they should have used type - b at least Yarnc can snipe fantasy or something like that ...
T1 with a nice lineup decision. Although they might've thorught it would be Leta on Harmony.
Either way, this should look good for T1 given that they're favored(somewhat heavily) in the next matches.
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Hungary11300 Posts
One Gate Robo for BeSt here. Apparently without range!
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Best skips range for fast robo. Just after scout scv is killed.
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Fast obs to beat FD im guessing. But i could be total noob. Fast expo for Leta.
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1 gate core from BeST 1 fact with 2 SCV's on gas from leta and my stream just stopped.
Fast robo for best. siege expand for leta.
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best with gate robo nex obs
leta with FD, looks like, n ot sure
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Hungary11300 Posts
BeSt expanding right away, off 2 goon / zeal and observer building. Leta preparing his FD push it seems.
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seige expand, fuck my life
gg im out
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Seige expand ;o. I think BeSt is safe to double nexus then.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Leta actually with dual tank and siege. BeSt sends his first observer down. He is successful in denying further scouting for now, killing an erring SCV. Leta adding some turrets and floating the CC into place.
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On November 25 2008 19:13 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: seige expand, fuck my life
gg im out
Where you going? =(
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best putting down and expansion at his nat, fast obs for best before reaver, best continues to deny the scout from leta.
Leta floating his CC over to his nat and begins putting up turrets - 2 in main, 1 over cliff, 1 in expo
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Hungary11300 Posts
BeSt claiming top left too, adding Starport and Archives, so fast arbiter! Leta just consolidating his position as-is and getting up the first armory + 2nd fac.
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Citadel down for BeSt as leta puts down a second factory.
STARGATE DOWN FOR BEST alongside templar archives, Super fast arbs it looks like.
Armory down for Leta, Leta scouts through the pylon wall the lack of Best's third ( probe just sitting there)
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Hungary11300 Posts
Arbiter tribunal started, top left still didnt start warping in, so beSt is still on twobase economy. Leta has 2 facs with addons and is getting two more.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Some vultures sneak through and snatch a few probe kills. Also spot the top left expo and place some mines there. BeSt sends goons but has to wait for an Observer to clear out mines.
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Four facts for Leta, whoring turrets.
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Hungary11300 Posts
First arbiter is warping in, BeSt on maybe 6 gates in total against the 4fac play by Leta. Looks like Leta will try to end it in Midgame? He has a starport too now, I hope he knows whats coming.
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BeSt's buildings are sooo pretty...
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Hungary11300 Posts
First Arbiter for best is in place, he adds up to 9 gateways. Scifac coming for Leta. He appears willing to move out now. Getting a 2nd armory too.
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Catch that Dropship best Leta is being cliche....
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Vulture harrass not successful so far from leta, good defence from best, third going down for best.
i eat my words! VULTS of letas sneak by, spot the third, kill a couple probes in the natural and plant mines to slow down goons.
vults cleaned up by bests goons once an obs arrives, 4 facts for leta, more vults around the map looking to get a harrass in and laying mines for map control, leta seems to have spotted the stargate as he's adding a fair few more turrets and a starport with addon.
Second armory up for leta and first arb out for best, leta tank pushes out to near the min patch in center and begins building a CC,
dropship out for leta rather than a Sci vessel but runs cannons in best's third.
Sieged tank in dship, takes down the cannons and vults beggin killing the probes.
Best's forces arrive and clean up the drop.
dropship escapes with some cargo and runs for best's main but runs into goons and dies.
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Blocks the vultures from killing probes by building 2 pylons and a agteway and plants 3 dragoons to the probably path of the dropship. BeSt has everything to make a superstar. AND STREAM LAGS WHEN RECALL IS COMING IN T_T
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RECALL COMES IN AND LETA DOESNT HAVE SCANS T_T. SOmething is lifting but my stream is screwed up.
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stream fucked
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looks like a recall for best and leta push out some more
RECALL IN LETAS MAIN LETA FORCED TO LIFT THE CC, CC SNIPE BY BEST'S GOONS!
Best causing MASSIVE DAMAGE IN LETA's MAIN,
LETA pulls back the bottom half of his push and cleans it up!
best uses this to his advantage and PUSHES INTO LETA'S EXPOSED THIRD, LETA ON ONE MINING BASE
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Hungary11300 Posts
Was away for a sec. Seems like the first recall came right into the first push, and owned Leta hard-core. He lost his CC at his main and was forced to lift the 3rd at the 6 base. He still has a large force though.
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Second recall attempted stopped with goliaths kill the arb. Big fconffrontantion.. all the tanks are clustered and stais on some tansk. Bests army stands out on top. GG FROM LETA!
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Hungary11300 Posts
BeSt macro is immense as usual. He just runs over Leta's force here, adding some stasis along the way. Leta is forced to gg.
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BeSt has ALOt of units and just 1a2a3a4a5a into terrans clumped tanks. Stasis gets three tanks.
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ANOTHER RECALL FOR BEST!
wait no, runs into gols and a sci vessel and arb gets sniped before the recall,
BEST ON MACRO MODE WITH A MASSIVE ARMY PUSHING INTO LETAS PUSH
TERRIBLE TANK POSITIONING FROM LETA, LETA LOSES HIS ENTIRE ARMY
LETA GG"S!
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
fucking amazing. conquered the game
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FIVE STARS FROM BeST and gets the crown!!!
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*Switches to the Free vs. Flash stream.
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Best ftw. Hopefully SKT can take this one now <3
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Hungary11300 Posts
Revolution, Revolution!
(best Luck to Tazza)
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sorry about the few/far bettween updates.
Flood control prevents me from commenting asap
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KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
ot: i think 98,2% of my posts are "KTY HWAITING!"...
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Hungary11300 Posts
Game started! Tazza is yellow, TKY is red. Left and right side of the map.
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Bisu, show them why you're MSL Champion by going through a semi-final with only protoss.
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Bisu spawns at left in Tazza spawns at 3:00 in
2GATE for BISU
1 gate core for tazza
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Hungary11300 Posts
Two gates + gas for Tazza, Bisu is getting one gate and cybernetics.
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Bisu is really really good at doing manner pylons and defending them as well. I realized that from watching him play Jangbi.
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Assim for Bisu after 2 gate ( more of a scare tactic?) 3 zeals out for bisu Bisu adds core.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Bisu adding 2nd gate for safety, tazza with core now. Zealot numbers are roughly even. Bisu with citadel! Mooish, check your colours!
Archives for Bisu! DT DT DT.
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Dark Templar tech for Bisu, his adun is going up. Bisus probe still in other guys base.
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Lol, ninja probe, finds all kinds of gaps between his zealot walls.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Lol, Bisu still scouting. 2 goons chasing that probe now. Tazza went for range before robotics, that might cost him, as Bisu already has his archives complete.
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Bisu pumping zeals aswell
CITADEL WARPING FOR BISU DT rush imminent.
Cit warps in and tazza puts down temp archieves, tazza using all his zeals to chase round the scouting probe from bisu, this game may just come down to bad/no scouting from tazza
TazzaFINALLY gets the scouting probe but it looks like he did it to late,
Robo down for tazza as the Temp archives warps in for Bisu.
tazza's force is far greater and he might push in though.
Too LATE! and the first temp is out, LOOKING REALLY BAD FOR tazza
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Robo is going up for Tazza and Bisu's two DT's are out. Tazza knows about the Dt's
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Hungary11300 Posts
DT snuck in, managed to get 7 probe kills until an observer popped out. Bisu now pressuring with regular units, he has 3 gate and goon range incoming too. Tazza has a solid force though, he will be able to hold this.
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About 7-8 probe kills for the Dark Templar before the observers popped. Bisu with three gates And bisu trying to contain Tazza. Battle while Tazza fights uphill looks like Bisu beats him and is still going to keep the contain.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Bisu is controlling the high ground above tazza's base, but doesnt manage to deal decisive damage. Tazza pushing out and drives Bisu back. Bisu getting robotics now. No Reaver yet for Tazza. He is getting a support now. Bisu soon with storm? At least he gets an observatory.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Four gate for Bisu in total. Tazza with 2 and a shuttle that waits for the first reaver to pop out. Neither has expanded yet.
Small battle in the middle. Tazza loses some goons, but he has a reaver in the battle. Bisu taking massive damage with his goons, great reaver micro by Tazza!
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Theres a good timing window where Tazza can win and thats when he gets his reaver. Thats going to be the pivotal point in this game, hopefully bisu has storm before then since it doesnt look like hes going reaver. Fourth gate going up for Bisu.
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GOOD Reaver control from Tazza, that's exactly what he needed to come back from this game.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Tazza looking damn smooth by now, he is pushing into Bisu's main with 6 goons and a reaver. Bisu sending in goons from behind abnd pulling some probes to defend. Loses those probes to a reaver scarab, but remains alive for the moment.
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Lots of goons + reaver coming into bisu's main, bisu brings out probes. Tazza's Reaver control is amazing! And he's right back into this game.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Bisu needs some reaver equivalent, be it temps with Storm or Reavers himself. But with goons against Goonreaver, he does not stand a chance.
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Zurich15345 Posts
Please update results in OP.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
bisu is not using what he's not good with :D
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Hungary11300 Posts
Tazza getting a 3rd gate, and maybe he will be expanding now - at least he has 2 reavers on the ground. Catches some of Bisu's stray forces at 6, but does not chase! DT denied from sbneaking into Tazzas main. Bisu catches a Reaver in the middle and liberates his forces at 6 from the lock. No shuttle for Tazza, he has very vulnerable reavers in the middle.
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Hungary11300 Posts
On November 25 2008 19:52 zatic wrote: Please update results in OP. Elsi said earlier that he has to leave, I am putting them into post 4 atm.
Tazza lost the Reavers in the middle, but repels Bisu once more from his base. tense game here, both still single base. Zoom onto golden MSL medal, hehe.
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Reavers are without a shuttle and he might lose two reavers here! BIsu goes in kills both reaversin the battle. Caught reavers without the shuttle and now hes behind again.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Bisu forming an arc, but it looks like Tazza has simply more goons. Another reavershuttle is there, he might win with this push!
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Hungary11300 Posts
Battle erupts, great reaver pickup again, but it is deep red! Bisu on the march forward! Bisu pushing forward with goons and some slow zealots. Shuttle comes in, gets away with LOW HP. Next Reaver is out, this is Tazza's chance. Bisu putting up an expansion at 6.
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Clutch battle win from Bisu. But Tazza's reaver control is amazing this game.
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A secret expansion going down for bisu at 6 o clock.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Bisu containing, expanding. Tazza massing up, has 2 reavers that shoot at some patrolling zealots in front of his base. Massive probe slide to the base at 6. Shuttle out for Bisu! Tazza needs to attack NOW. And out he moves!
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Hungary11300 Posts
Tazza sending some forcesto 6.
Battle in the middle. One reaver almost dies. But manages to get off another shot. Bisu coming from 6 with more forces. 3 goons kill off probes at 6. Tazza wins the battle in the middle!
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Hungary11300 Posts
All the probes at 6 are killed and Bisu just has 4 goons left. Those die. He ggs out! Tazza wins his first televised, and that's against KTY!
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Bisu its called reavers or storm. WTF...
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HAHAHAHAH
the all mighty bisu, lost, to a well knows protoss Tazza
hahahahah
ps: great play by tazza!
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OMG that was clutch reaver micro in that last battle to win it! Well played Tazza
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Holy crap! That was awesome play from Tazza. Nice!
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You can't win by pure zealot + goon vs goon reaver after 'fail' dt.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Oh dear it must be like a post-starleague trauma or something -_-;...
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WTF! Bisu drops the game to Tazza!
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United States11390 Posts
lololollolol bisu lost
hahahah yesssss
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
bisu thought it was gonna be a noob bash
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On November 25 2008 20:00 SilverskY wrote: Oh dear it must be like a post-starleague trauma or something -_-;...
or hangover.
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That was such a great game. I was in suspense for like the last ten minutes.
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it wasnt bisu dropping the game, you gotta give it to tazza , the guy played awesome. Bisu was hoping on some major micro mistake but it never happened
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Tazza wasn't f'ing bad at all. Some nice Reaver control back there. C'mon Fantasy, pull up a win and send out oov for ace!
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So I hope this goes to ace...come on SKT1!!!!!
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THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either..
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vlc link please? can't watch it on their site...
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IF SKT T1 loses... I think I need to change teams.
Will Samsung be willing to take me as a fan? At least they can win some games...
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On November 25 2008 20:00 SilverskY wrote: Oh dear it must be like a post-starleague trauma or something -_-;...
Probably is something to that. All that stress and practice build up... and then taking it easy. Bisu 0-1. Stork 1-2.
Well, now we can see what Fantasy's made of in the elimination game.
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On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either..
True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own
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On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own
Thats shows how "strong" Bisu is in this MU ....
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On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own
Bisu played cocky for the first 10 min, after that he realized the shit is for real but it was too late to switch tech or to expand
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On November 25 2008 20:07 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own Thats shows how "strong" Bisu is in this MU ....
stfu
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On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own Getting HTs or reavers when you are pumping goons from 4gates on 1 gas is kinda hard  He played good, just that tazza had some insane reavercontrol there.
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Thats shows how "strong" Bisu is in this MU ....[/QUOTE]
IDIOT
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I think I need to stop on these SKT auto-votes on liquibet. T-T;
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On November 25 2008 20:07 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own Thats shows how "strong" Bisu is in this MU .... Concidered hes never lost a series PvP vs anyone but Stork I would go ahead and say he is pretty fucking good in it. Hes just never been very good in bo1 games.
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I think Bisu does not care proleauge SKT coaches should warn him immediately.
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bisu underestimated tazza. tazza had some awesome reaver shuttle micro. i remember him from PGL and he plays pretty well.
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On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either..
Their stars, Bisu and Best, are 15-5. That's a ridiculously good record no matter how you look it. How can you blame them? The reason they lose is because Fantasy's only mediocre(5-4), while the rest of the team is WINLESS.
That's right. SKT1 has only THREE players with any wins at all.
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btw the opening theme for the PL on the MBC channel is not in the all-time-pro-scene-music files. How is the song called ?
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Anyone doing the LR for this game? Its started already o_o
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On November 25 2008 20:08 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:07 raga4ka wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own Thats shows how "strong" Bisu is in this MU .... stfu
I mean the part when he doesn't use reavers or templars , not that he lost to a no - name ... I think that he plays a series with preparation and he is not as strong when it comes to standard PvP like Stork , JangBi , Kal or Best who for me are the strongest PvPs others can't compare even if Bisu won the finals vs JangBI . His wins come from experience and preparation not that his stronger in PvP then other tosses such as JangBI ... I think Bisu doesn't take PL seriously enough ??
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it just shows how close the skill of all progamers is, it only takes a little mistake and its over 
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Fantasy, purple, terran top left
White, protoss, forget who hes playing.
Protoss puts down 2 more gates making it four gates after first expo.
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Fantasy taking another expo while protoss is doing some crazy crazy all-in with four gates. I don't know why fantasy's expanding again since he's going four gates. Looks bad for fantasy protoss going in with four goons
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Hungary11300 Posts
I just tuned back in. Looks like Fantasy is getting all walked over him.
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Fantasy barely defends it by pulling massive scvs. Robo going up for toss as well as another nexus. Fantasy is behind.
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On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no.
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Where are OGN Getting these micro crazy tosses?
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This guy has some balls defusing mines left and right without obs
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On November 25 2008 20:13 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. Their stars, Bisu and Best, are 15-5. That's a ridiculously good record no matter how you look it. How can you blame them? The reason they lose is because Fantasy's only mediocre(5-4), while the rest of the team is WINLESS. That's right. SKT1 has only THREE players with any wins at all. Best losing to Tempest, Bisu losing to Tazza. Of course I don't blame them since I dislike SKT T1 -.-
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Fantasy bringing some High Templars....
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WTF? Are OGN tosses going to go 2-0 here?
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
God the Daum Sports stream licks major assholes.
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On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no.
I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless.
His micro with reavers was god-like.
In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. Your theory makes absolutely no sense. Your statement implies that all Starleague winners should never lose any games (in their best MU), just because they're good at that certain matchup.
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On November 25 2008 20:25 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless. His micro with reavers was god-like. In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while. That means that he should have gotten the tech. -.- The game isn't only about micro. And indeed, those few losses lose games for SKTT1
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On November 25 2008 20:27 SilverskY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. Your theory makes absolutely no sense. Your statement implies that all Starleague winners should never lose any games (in their best MU), just because they're good at that certain matchup. Of course they can lose games, but not to people in their first televised game -_-;;;;
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On November 25 2008 20:25 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless. His micro with reavers was god-like. In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while.
It's not an excuse when your team depends an you and you play without reavers or HT vs a lesser known player ...
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This Haksoo guy is showing some ballsy play. He just did a 3 shuttle mass zealot break on Fantasy's choke, almost worked but they pretty much traded armies.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Shit, that was DAMN well defended by fantasy!
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On November 25 2008 20:30 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:25 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless. His micro with reavers was god-like. In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while. It's not an excuse when your team depends an you and you play without reavers or HT vs a lesser known player ...
Bisu probably was looking for a timing window where he can exploit the beginners skill. He was looking to probably kill a shuttle carrying 2 reavers and overpower him with gateway units, something of that nature. Just didn't expect that the protoss he was facing was going to be that good.
Fantasy pulling off a come back right now o_o
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Hungary11300 Posts
Haksoo lost terribly much at that attack and suddenly fantasy has an additional expansion and is chasing him over the map. He might well win this now.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Clutch stasis freezes half of fantasy's army! Haksoo coming back now??
Really cool game, fantasy on the ropes again, as Haksoo is macroing like crazy and taking bottom right.
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On November 25 2008 20:33 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:30 raga4ka wrote:On November 25 2008 20:25 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless. His micro with reavers was god-like. In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while. It's not an excuse when your team depends an you and you play without reavers or HT vs a lesser known player ... Bisu probably was looking for a timing window where he can exploit the beginners skill. He was looking to probably kill a shuttle carrying 2 reavers and overpower him with gateway units, something of that nature. Just didn't expect that the protoss he was facing was going to be that good. Fantasy pulling off a come back right now o_o Underestimating a player equals bad play. Sigh.
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On November 25 2008 20:24 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:13 baubo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. Their stars, Bisu and Best, are 15-5. That's a ridiculously good record no matter how you look it. How can you blame them? The reason they lose is because Fantasy's only mediocre(5-4), while the rest of the team is WINLESS. That's right. SKT1 has only THREE players with any wins at all. Best losing to Tempest, Bisu losing to Tazza. Of course I don't blame them since I dislike SKT T1 -.-
Can you name a single player who DOESN'T lose to lesser players? Bisu has 3 MSL titles and wins less than 60% of his games. No one's invincible.
HOLY CRAP that was some awesome stasis. And I thought Fantasy had this game wrapped up.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Fantasy exploiting the middle terrain as a pushbreaker and pushing towards bottom right now. He has a decently sized army, but Haksoo still has more bases.
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Nevermind, this game is still over.
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Ghosts are coming out. Amazing plays by Fantasy clawing his way back into this.
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Hungary11300 Posts
Nukes might be coming for fantasy, he has covered ops! Tankline holds in the middle and Haksoo has to retreat.
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haha is fantasy really doing this? fun game
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LOL Fantasy is building GHOSTS!! No nuke silo up yet, maybe lockdown?
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Hungary11300 Posts
Tanks siege inside the bottom right main, killing the gateways there. No silo for fantasy yet, so maybe a plain lockdown that is coming.
GG FROM HAKSOO.
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Man first Flash and now Fantasy, some AMAZING TvP comebacks today.
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Damn i wanted to see some nukes lol
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Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins!
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On November 25 2008 20:35 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:24 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:13 baubo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. Their stars, Bisu and Best, are 15-5. That's a ridiculously good record no matter how you look it. How can you blame them? The reason they lose is because Fantasy's only mediocre(5-4), while the rest of the team is WINLESS. That's right. SKT1 has only THREE players with any wins at all. Best losing to Tempest, Bisu losing to Tazza. Of course I don't blame them since I dislike SKT T1 -.- Can you name a single player who DOESN'T lose to lesser players? Bisu has 3 MSL titles and wins less than 60% of his games. No one's invincible. HOLY CRAP that was some awesome stasis. And I thought Fantasy had this game wrapped up. Of course, but that's why they lose >_> When the aces of an ace-riding team lose... sigh, nevermind.
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On November 25 2008 19:52 zatic wrote: Please update results in OP.
Read page 1
Op now fully updated.
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I got to imagine Bisu for T1, and Yarnc/Type-B for OGN.
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On November 25 2008 20:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:33 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:30 raga4ka wrote:On November 25 2008 20:25 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:22 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:05 Tensai176 wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. True Bisu lost to a no-name but that no-name played really really well. His Reaver micro was one of the best i've seen and he made no mistake coming back into the game. Bisu's only fault is not fucking getting any storm or any reaver of his own So it's excusable for a MSL-winner of all-protoss semis to lose to a person because his "reaver micro was really good"? Umm, no. I think it's pretty damn excusable. His micro with goons + zeals was flawless. His micro with reavers was god-like. In mid-game PvP, that's all it is. The only problem is that Bisu didn't get reaver/ht - tech. Despite that fact, top tier players lose all the time, it's not like Bisu is slumping he'll get back in to it and hes allowed a loss or so once in a while. It's not an excuse when your team depends an you and you play without reavers or HT vs a lesser known player ... Bisu probably was looking for a timing window where he can exploit the beginners skill. He was looking to probably kill a shuttle carrying 2 reavers and overpower him with gateway units, something of that nature. Just didn't expect that the protoss he was facing was going to be that good. Fantasy pulling off a come back right now o_o Underestimating a player equals bad play. Sigh.
Meh everyone does it but the reason bisu is so good is because of his meta-game. If the other player did play a bit less brilliant than he did, then bisu would've had that easily i think and thats what he was thinknig with his four gate. A bit of underestimate on bisu's part. A bit of brilliant play to counter it. I still thinks its excusable.
Amazing comeback from fantasy though XDD
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On November 25 2008 20:39 Metallingus wrote: Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins! Lol keep defending your T1, maybe it can catch up to eSTRO =)
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On November 25 2008 20:40 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:35 baubo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:24 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:13 baubo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:03 Shikyo wrote: THIS right here is why SKTT1 loses games. Their big players can't consistantly win against no-names. Their Zergs don't help either.. Their stars, Bisu and Best, are 15-5. That's a ridiculously good record no matter how you look it. How can you blame them? The reason they lose is because Fantasy's only mediocre(5-4), while the rest of the team is WINLESS. That's right. SKT1 has only THREE players with any wins at all. Best losing to Tempest, Bisu losing to Tazza. Of course I don't blame them since I dislike SKT T1 -.- Can you name a single player who DOESN'T lose to lesser players? Bisu has 3 MSL titles and wins less than 60% of his games. No one's invincible. HOLY CRAP that was some awesome stasis. And I thought Fantasy had this game wrapped up. Of course, but that's why they lose >_> When the aces of an ace-riding team lose... sigh, nevermind. lol what dont you understand?? Best and Bisu are perfoming GREAT in PL, if the rest of their team had perfomed mediocre they would have been in the top of the league. When only 3players on a team is able to win games its not their fault the team suffers the few times they lose games... It would be like saying some soccer striker fails his team cuz he only scores 3 goals a game but his defence sucks and lets the opponent score 4 times.
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that shikyo dude is a pure idiot
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On November 25 2008 20:41 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:39 Metallingus wrote: Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins! Lol keep defending your T1, maybe it can catch up to eSTRO =)
To be honest, I'm not defending T1. There's no excuse for losing, especially when your team depends on you like you've already said. Seriously though, some of the logic applied in the thread is horrible, losing being excusable included. On the other hand, Bisu being a worse PvPer than Kal and Jangbi (who are both less than 50% in the MU) because of losing this match? Come on.
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On November 25 2008 20:41 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:39 Metallingus wrote: Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins! Lol keep defending your T1, maybe it can catch up to eSTRO =)
Oh, you betta watch out. Afta tonight we will be ahead of eSTRO!! XD.
Blind Fanboyism ftw.
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On November 25 2008 20:45 Metallingus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:41 Shikyo wrote:On November 25 2008 20:39 Metallingus wrote: Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins! Lol keep defending your T1, maybe it can catch up to eSTRO =) To be honest, I'm not defending T1. There's no excuse for losing, especially when your team depends on you like you've already said. Seriously though, some of the logic applied in the thread is horrible, losing being excusable included. Of course, but.... sigh, if a player of that caliber loses to a player on his first... well, they deserve the bashing =P
Fantasy pulled off a Flash O_o But OGN's protosses were pretty impressive, their line up is seriously so, so deep.
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On November 25 2008 20:41 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2008 20:39 Metallingus wrote: Bisu = did not use templar/reaver = FAIL
Stork = forgot goon range at least once in his lifetime = FAIL
MJY = same for adrenal glands = FAIL
Boxer = WTF opening against Calm's 9-pool on Raid Assault 2 = FAIL
Flash = used to have bad teeth = FAIL
And the list goes on and on, so in short all them pros suck. Logic wins! Lol keep defending your T1, maybe it can catch up to eSTRO =)
What an idiot!!!!!
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On November 25 2008 20:48 Tensai176 wrote: Bisu vs. Yellow i think. If it Bisu they better send Tazza again
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To Tazza's credit, he WAS pretty impressive today. Hopefully he turns out to be that solid across all MUs.
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Close this shit out. If you lose this then I will concede to Shikyo and bash you for that loss to Tazza.
I smell a 5 pool though >.>
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On November 25 2008 20:50 Tensai176 wrote: Close this shit out. If you lose this then I will concede to Shikyo and bash you for that loss to Tazza.
I smell a 5 pool though >.> Yarnc, PvZ, ace match...yeah I feel one coming too.
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Yarnc pretty much has no chance unless he goes 5 pool. Bisu's PvZ is at least on par with Jangbi's(probably better), and Jangbi makes Yarnc look like b.net newb.
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I hope Bisu will take it seriously this time. Otherwise MBC will be very happy to get rid of Bisu for $200000. He always concentrates on individuall leagues.
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Yarnc is so bad ZvP, I think Bisu has a chance to have his revenge! Although I must wonder how well he'll play, his last proleague games haven't really been impressive.
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12 Hatch? If Yarnc wins this I'll be VERY, VERY impressed. Does he really think he has a chance in standard play?
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Oh man...alll those overlords....
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no reportS?
where's every1 gone^^
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Wow the live report for this game sucks so bad, the one for KTF and Stars was SO smooth...
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yellow getting rolled here~~
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Sorry got really tired >.>
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Yellow is getting rolled by Bisu's push of goons + archons + reaver + ht and and is going for yellow's fourth.
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Come on bisu, close this out. SKT keeps losing too much. : <
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Yellow gets bisu's fourth with a couple of lings but it gets cleaned up fast. Yellows' expo is going down and bisu has ALOT of units. It looks like its over, Yellow hoarding zerglings while his defiler mound goes up. Bisu with alot of goons taking out lings + lurks.
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Bisu taking his fourth again while Yellow commits to lings + hydras + lurks. A small force goes against bisus awesome army and bisu isnt going to yelow's natural just yet.
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wow, yellow lost a zvp =D Grats SKT
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Hes moving to the natural now where a couple of lurkers 7 hydras and more zerglings engage. They melt to archons + bisus army. Storm drop on zergs natural while his other forces take the front. He is repelled so bisu back off.
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Bisu with the gateway rally of 4 ht's and zealots. The gg comes,
SKT WINS! HURRAY =)
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He's proud of that badge hahaha Bisu ftw.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Bisu- Nice Job.
Win more games for your team
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its sad how many t1 fans there are compared to other teams
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Is it me or does Yarnc roll out with mass hydras every game vs. toss and proceed to suicide continuously? My god he obviously doesn't know the meaning of hive tech.
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On November 25 2008 21:21 EleanorRIgby wrote: its sad how many t1 fans there are compared to other teams
LoLuMaD mR sPaRKyZ faN?
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KTF losing, Flash losing ace (too bad he won vs free, free should have had that game -.-), SKTT1 winning (although they keep struggling...). Perfect day.
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On November 25 2008 21:21 EleanorRIgby wrote: its sad how many t1 fans there are compared to other teams its sort of logical the majority of us are t1 fans ever since boxer and oov and now bisu and best are contributing for the enlargement of t1's fan club
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Best 9-1 in the last 10 PvT!! In Best we trust.
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Best's PVP and PVT is very strong,now he should improve his PVZ.
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nice bisuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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On November 25 2008 21:34 OTAKU wrote:+ Show Spoiler + nice bisuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I like it :D Your first post dedicated to Bisu!
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Imagine if Best and Bisu used Stewies teleportation device.... The PVP, PVZ, PVT-monster would be alive. Bestsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
OT: GJ SKt1
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It is so easy to be a fan of Bisu these days.
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On November 25 2008 21:42 isbunk wrote: Imagine if Best and Bisu used Stewies teleportation device.... The PVP, PVZ, PVT-monster would be alive. Bestsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
OT: GJ SKt1
it's not Stewies'=\.. it's from The Fly
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but indeed it would be monster =)
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On November 25 2008 21:32 simcar wrote: Best's PVP and PVT is very strong,now he should improve his PVZ. Yeah, he'll play vs Effort soon in GomTV, I'm guessing Effort will win...
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9 IN A ROW! YEAAAAAAAH BEST!
YEAHHHHHH SKT1!
On November 25 2008 21:25 Carnac wrote: KTF losing, Flash losing ace (too bad he won vs free, free should have had that game -.-), SKTT1 winning (although they keep struggling...). Perfect day.
Exactly! For once I'm 2/2 in a night.
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yaaaaaaaaa best and bisu carries skt1 to victory again 
and fantasy
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Lol SKT got the best possible Ace match .
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Best vs Leta = it was free win for Best Fantasy vs HakSoo = Fantasy pulled the game
Bisu vs Yarnc = u know Bisu's Pvz, he pulled the victory too. GJ SKT1, u mustnt lose even 1 match to get playoffs
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Lol Tazza is 1-0 now in TLPD with his only win being over the most recent champ.
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On November 25 2008 21:23 baubo wrote: Is it me or does Yarnc roll out with mass hydras every game vs. toss and proceed to suicide continuously? My god he obviously doesn't know the meaning of hive tech.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. Yarnc has always had some ZvP issues, and somehow he seems to be getting even worse as time goes on.
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Germany2762 Posts
wooooooaaaah i totally missed that Tazza was in the lineup today. i love this guy! i was so impressed by his play at pgl and was looking forward all the time to see him in a proleague match!
+ Show Spoiler +and the most awesome thing is, that he kicked bisus ass today! :D
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Wow, Tazza vs Bisu was one of the most entertaining PvP I've seen in a while.
Very close match.
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